Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

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Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Judge: If McArthur is not allowed to apply for parole until he's 116, what incentive would there be for others to plead guilty in the future?
12:50 PM - 05 Feb 2019

 

[rogue ant]

Ive only heard of the summary of this case until today when I read through some of the details.

Wow. I had no idea the last person with him likely would have been killed if LE had not already been monitoring him and arrested him that day.

"Police, who were still awaiting judicial authorization on all of their warrants, moved in. According to the Toronto Star, they found a young man “bound, restrained to a bed, but unharmed.”

Bruce McArthur, Toronto’s Accused Landscaper Killer, Was Hiding in Plain Sight All Along

Unharmed, but not by much. McArthur had already put a bag (with no holes) over his head. After the man managed to get it off, McArthur was trying to tape his mouth shut.
Police arrested McArthur moments before he may have killed again, court hears

 

[Bravo]

Likely just minutes away from being another victim.

 

[Hatfield]

Unharmed, but not by much. McArthur had already put a bag (with no holes) over his head. After the man managed to get it off, McArthur was trying to tape his mouth shut.
Police arrested McArthur moments before he may have killed again, court hears

Yes no doubt he was minutes away from being killed.

I hope the sentence does not let BM get a chance for parole at all. He is one dangerous sicko and he is the type that cannot be rehabilitated. Any type of parole in the future would endanger society IMO.

 

[Hatfield]

Serial murderers like Bruce McArthur are really the stuff of nightmares. He reminds me of the BTK killer where they had a special last Saturday on the BTK killer.

What makes me convinced that serial murders like BM, BTK, and the Ted Bundys of the world can never be rehabilitated is they have proven that even after many years they kill again.

Bruce McArthur started his killings in 2010 and did not stop till he was arrested in 2017 in the actual act of trying to kill another victim.

That is 7 entire long years to think about stopping and not hurting anyone else. BTK was the same way and kept on going even after lapses and long periods between his killings. Before BTK was arrested he had been interviewed by a news station on the phone where he called into them and the news reporter asked him if he had any more victims he was planning on killing and BTK said he already had picked out another female and had stalked her and so he knew his next victim was coming. He was very patient though and would only kill when his internal sick rages made him act. His excuse for why he had long lapses between some of the killings was that he "was busy with other family things".
So thankfully normal life family things kept him a little busy or his killings would have been even more than they were.

People like BM dont ever stop their sick killing thoughts. They may be able to suppress them at times but they are always there lurking and which is why I think it is important to lock them up forever and never give them a chance on the outside. Hope BM's sentencing keeps him locked up for the remainder of his life. We will know soon enough. I think I read we may see the final sentence by this Friday.

 

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'This really could have been any of us': The daily impact of Bruce McArthur's killings (with clip)
Friends and family of the victims experience panic attacks. They struggle to eat. They feel unsafe and adrift increasingly distrustful of people in their neighbourhood

February 5, 2019

"...Court heard 12 impact statements on Tuesday from family and friends of the victims and members of Toronto’s LGBTQ community, following the 15 statements read when the hearing began on Monday. In their testimony, the speakers conveyed the totality of the consequences of McArthur’s crimes — the inordinate number of ways in which the serial killer’s actions continue to mar their lives on a daily basis....

The Crown doesn’t have evidence to believe McArthur killed anyone else."

'This really could have been any of us': The daily impact of Bruce McArthur's killings
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[YESorNO]

Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Afternoon session starting. Crown continuing his submissions, asking for 50-year parole eligibility for McArthur
2:36 PM - 05 Feb 2019


Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Crown concluded his submission by highlighting the enormity of the crimes and moral blameworthiness, saying it outweighs that McArthur pleaded guilty.
2:43 PM - 05 Feb 2019
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Ioanna Roumeliotis‏ @IoannaCBC 4m4 minutes ago
#brucemcarthur crown concludes submissions, "this case has a haunting quality to it" the malignancy of crimes, the fear it spread..almost impossible to describe the enormity of offences, words fail..to adequately describe the harm


Lisa Hepfner‏ @LisaHepfnerCHCH 54s54 seconds ago
“This case has a haunting quality to it,” crown says, due to the enormity and malignancy of Bruce McArthur’s crimes. Judge agrees the case is haunting. But wouldn’t it be worse if the families had to endure a trial? His honour is entitled to consider that, crown answers.

 

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Prosecutor asks consecutive life sentences for serial killer

"...The most lenient potential sentence he faces would be life in prison with no chance for parole eligibility for 25 years.

Justice John McMahon said even if McArthur got the most lenient sentence it would be still a life sentence, and while he might apply for parole in 25 years, he wouldn’t necessarily get it. McMahon said he expected to hand down a sentence Friday.

“The certainty that Mr. McArthur will never leave prison is a fit result,” Prosecutor Craig Harper said....

Criminal experts say it is unusual that someone would become a serial killer later in life, but the prosecution said there is no evidence of earlier murders."

Prosecutor asks consecutive life sentences for serial killer

 

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Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
McArthur's defence lawyer James Miglin starting his submissions now. Starting by conceding a lot of points to the crown, and says the crimes were horrific, calls for the most serious sanctions available under law
2:46 PM - 05 Feb 2019


Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Miglin: the sole issue that judge should decide is use of application of discretion on sentencing decision. Sole issue is whether judge will extend the mandatory provision of 25 years for parole
2:47 PM - 05 Feb 2019


Robin Levinson King‏Verified account @robinlevinson 50s51 seconds ago
Bruce Mcarthur’s lawyer is now giving his submissions - he is arguing for the sentences to be served at the same time, which would mean the earliest McArthur would leave prison is at the age of 91


Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Defence says life expectancy for average Canadian male is 76. Crown has asked for no parole eligibility until he's 116.
2:50 PM - 05 Feb 2019
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Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Crown has asked McArthur not be eligible for parole until he is 116 years old. Defence calls this unduly harsh, says average life expectancy for Canadian male is 79.
2:51 PM - 05 Feb 2019


Ioanna Roumeliotis‏ @IoannaCBC 1m1 minute ago
Defence for #brucemcarthur concedes crown could have asked for "american style" sentencing of hundreds of years..judge agrees crown's request is reasonable, 2 life sentences, no parole eligibility for 50 years

 

[JDG]

He can come out of prison, in a pine box. IMO

 

[YESorNO]

Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Defence says there's a public acceptance of responsibility. Elimination of public anxiety about what a trial would've entailed.
3:07 PM - 05 Feb 2019


Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Judge addressing McArthur directly - asking him if he wants to say anything. McArthur says "no your honour I've addressed this with my counsel I'm not going to say anything"
3:11 PM - 05 Feb 2019


CBC News Alerts‏Verified account @CBCAlerts 55s56 seconds ago
Bruce McArthur has declined his right to address the court. His lawyer says McArthur has shown remorse by pleading guilty.


Tracy Tong
@TracyTongCTV
Judge says he will reach a decision by Friday, Feb 8
3:12 PM - 05 Feb 2019


Ioanna Roumeliotis‏ @IoannaCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Court resumes on Friday Feb 8 at 10 a.m to deliver sentence in #brucemcarthur #serialmurder case
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[Hatfield]

JMO
I disagree with the defense lawyer about this.

"His lawyer says McArthur has shown remorse by pleading guilty."

I dont think the reason was remorse at all. He only plead guilty because there was overwhelming evidence to his guilt and he didnt want to sit through a lengthy trial where he knew he would be found guilty anyway.

 

[Snoopster]

Thank you so much for posting all of the trial updates Yes and No!

I still find it very difficult to believe that the murder in 2010 was the first. Perhaps he killed others while on his travels. Perhaps he violently raped some illegal immigrant who was too afraid to go to the police. Perhaps it escalated from there.

I think there will be more to come.

I'm also left thinking about McArthur's family life. What kind of home did he grow up in? What kind of environment did his own children grow up in? The son clearly has problems.

Such a troubling, horrifying case. The poor family and friends of the victims will have difficulty ever erasing from their minds what they imagine their friend/son/brother/father went through in final moments. Hugs to them all.

 

[YamBunny]

This is such a horrible case. My heart goes out to the families of the victims and the whole LGBTQ community of Toronto. Thank you to YESorNO for all the trial updates.

It seems there are some updates in how the investigation was carried out.
Toronto officer's professional misconduct case in connection with Bruce McArthur put over | CBC News

It is believed that one police officer will be charged with "insubordination and neglect of duty". This seems to specifically in regards to July 2016 when a man told police that McArthur tried to strangle him. Police questioned and released McArthur without charges. It appears this police officer was involved in this decision.

 

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McArthur victims' loved ones detail heartbreak and horror (with clip)

February 5, 2019

"The extent of the toll Bruce McArthur's crimes took on people who knew his victims and on Toronto's LGBTQ community was made abundantly clear Tuesday.

Person after person took to the witness stand in a Toronto courtroom to deliver victim and community impact statements explaining how they were affected by one or more of the eight murders McArthur committed between 2010 and 2017....

McArthur, who was positioned with his back to the gallery, did not visibly react to any of the statements. However, he did partially lower his head during some of the more emotional moments. One day earlier, the 67-year-old had kept his head up as the Crown read out explicit details of his crimes....

Tuesday's portion of the sentencing hearing also included arguments from the Crown and McArthur's lawyers on whether McArthur's automatic life sentences should be served consecutively or concurrently.

The Crown argued for the eight sentences to be served over two consecutive terms, meaning McArthur would not be able to apply for parole until he had spent 50 years in prison -- at which point he would be 116 years old.

Part of the reasoning for this, Crown prosecutor Craig Harper said, was to spare relatives of McArthur's victims from any possibility that McArthur would be able to apply for parole before his death.....

Justice John McMahon is expected to sentence McArthur Friday morning."

McArthur victims' loved ones detail heartbreak and horror
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Victim's friend locks eyes with serial killer Bruce McArthur

February 5, 2019

"Richard Kikot stared into the face of serial killer Bruce McArthur — who murdered, dismembered and staged photos of his good friend Selim Esen.

“He was looking right at me . . . and he looked pretty upset . . . I guess I was shocked by the emotion in his face,” Kikot told reporters after delivering his victim impact statement at McArthur’s sentencing hearing.

The 67-year-old landscaper, who admitted he strangled Esen in April 2017, kept the deceased Turkish immigrant’s ghastly images on an electronic device and labelled them “The Turkish man.”

“I just wanted people to know that he wasn’t just a Turkish man like in Bruce McArthur’s file. There was no name for Selim that he was here and recognized and noticed.”

Kikot read his victim impact statement Tuesday, recalling that Esen revealed to him that “he was convinced something bad was about to happen....

Umme Fareena Marzook, the widow of murder victim Soroush Mahmudi, wailed loudly in court as Crown attorney Gabriel Ho read her impact statement...."

Victim’s friend locks eyes with serial killer Bruce McArthur

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JMO
I disagree with the defense lawyer about this.

"His lawyer says McArthur has shown remorse by pleading guilty."

I dont think the reason was remorse at all. He only plead guilty because there was overwhelming evidence to his guilt and he didnt want to sit through a lengthy trial where he knew he would be found guilty anyway.

I agree that he has no remorse at all, so the defense lawyer is grasping at straws- what else does he have, IMO.

 

[LadyL]

wow I didn't know that the police entered the apt. covertly & made a partial copy of the hard drive - that's wild

 

[JDG]

I suspect that there's more to Bruce McArthurs story than we may ever know. He had years of being a travelling salesmen, a large area to cover and I doubt this all started in 2010. IMO, that's why he didnt want a trial nor would address the court. He may well take a lot of secrets to his grave.

This kind of depraved behaviour does not usually start in a middle aged man. IMO