Canada - Coronavirus COVID-19 #2

[Tadpole12]

Canada should ‘be prepared’ for COVID-19 case surge after long weekend, experts warn

"Canada has “seen increases about six to 10 days after almost all social events,” Timothy Sly, an epidemiologist and professor emeritus at Ryerson University’s School of Public Health, said in an email interview with Global News."

LL, hubs and I didn't leave property, stocked up Thursday,
but seen lots of extra cars parked in neighborhood,
all weekend.
People are just fed up.
Coming up to the countryside regardless of lockdown.

 

[JDG]

Idk JDG
My cautious optimism is bubbling over today.
May just be too much sun ... feel good about our progression.

Yep, too much sun.

Glad you're feeling good and had a good weekend.

 

[LadyL]

I had no idea it was this bad in Manitoba.

Patients suffering, dying while waiting for care as Manitoba hospitals overwhelmed by COVID-19, doctors say

 

[LadyL]

Millions of Moderna doses expected next month, but delivery dates still in question

 

[LadyL]

Doctors said this Quebec man would die of COVID-19. His family had other ideas

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...R_RlTFTCkhnaSrfY5Z54lb-KdbTi71nS6u0RDWMoprUgs

 

[deugirtni]

Doctors said this Quebec man would die of COVID-19. His family had other ideas

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/otta...R_RlTFTCkhnaSrfY5Z54lb-KdbTi71nS6u0RDWMoprUgs

That is a very scary story. Would most families/wives have allowed the docs to make that presumably educated, experienced decision, and have pulled the plug on him? How often does that happen?

 

[deugirtni]

I had no idea it was this bad in Manitoba.

Patients suffering, dying while waiting for care as Manitoba hospitals overwhelmed by COVID-19, doctors say

I wonder why Covid patients are trumping other ill patients requiring imminent surgeries?

From the article: "Six patients have died while waiting for cardiac surgery, said Dr. Eric Jacobsohn, an intensive care unit physician and cardiac anesthesiologist and one of six Manitoba doctors calling on the provincial government to shut down non-essential businesses and issue a stay-at-home order."

 

[LadyL]

That is a very scary story. Would most families/wives have allowed the docs to make that presumably educated, experienced decision, and have pulled the plug on him? How often does that happen?

yep I was thinking the same

 

[LadyL]

I wonder why Covid patients are trumping other ill patients requiring imminent surgeries?

From the article: "Six patients have died while waiting for cardiac surgery, said Dr. Eric Jacobsohn, an intensive care unit physician and cardiac anesthesiologist and one of six Manitoba doctors calling on the provincial government to shut down non-essential businesses and issue a stay-at-home order."

not enough space?

"Even as Manitoba's ICU capacity has increased 150 per cent, the province has been forced to move patients to hospitals in Ontario to make more room. As of Tuesday, there were 79 COVID-19 patients in intensive care, plus 18 patients who were transferred to hospitals in Ontario."

not enough staff?

"... the health system is overwhelmed, a group of doctors said at a news conference Tuesday morning."

 

[LadyL]

Vancouver police issue $11,500 in fines to downtown party host, guests

 

[JDG]

That is a very scary story. Would most families/wives have allowed the docs to make that presumably educated, experienced decision, and have pulled the plug on him? How often does that happen?

Doctors make these decisions every day.

We have a very over extended medical system at the best of times.

Hospitals run at 98-110% capacity, without a pandemic.

With the pandemic, not much else is being done and many people are dying who could be/should be saved.

This is not the time to get sick. From anything.

 

[JDG]

Wish I could make a link to this story:

Canadian soldier charged with mutiny after encouraging others to not assist with the vaccination roll out. He was a reservist and did not believe in mRNA vaccination.

Mutiny is a very rare charge, has not been used in decades and carries a life imprisonment when found guilty.

CBC and most major news outlets are running the story and in fact it has gone worldwide.

Bizarre charge IMO

 

[otto]

Wish I could make a link to this story:

Canadian soldier charged with mutiny after encouraging others to not assist with the vaccination roll out. He was a reservist and did not believe in mRNA vaccination.

Mutiny is a very rare charge, has not been used in decades and carries a life imprisonment when found guilty.

CBC and most major news outlets are running the story and in fact it has gone worldwide.

Bizarre charge IMO

I disagree. The man was wearing a full military uniform and announced at a public rally that vaccines kill. People will think that he is speaking on behalf of the military, which is false. He should have left his uniform at home when voicing personal opinions about medical issues.

"Officer Cadet Ladislas Kenderesi has been charged with one count of persuading another person to join in a mutiny and one count of behaving in a scandalous manner unbecoming of an officer.

The charges follow a speech at an anti-lockdown rally in Toronto in December in which a man appeared in full military uniform and spoke out against what he called “killer” vaccines."
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Canadian soldier facing mutiny charge after urging troops not to take COVID-19 vaccine

 

[JDG]

Otto,

Thank you for the link. The headline is misleading, he asked other military to not participate in the distribution of the vaccine. Of course, it was the military who were in charge of distributing it and still are....as well as helping in nursing homes etc.

He did speak out at the anti-lockdown rally and I agree, he was bonkers/wrong to show up in uniform.

I do not think its too off-the-wall to call these vaccines 'killer' vaccines as the authorities openly admit that 'some people' have died as result of being vaccinated.

The choice we all have to make is about risk, do we want to risk COVID or risk a very small chance of dying/getting sick from the vaccine.
Both COVID and the vaccine could be described as 'killers'.

Yes, the fellow has erred but MUTINY?? A life sentence if found guilty??

I did read that he is more likely to do five years on the lesser charge when courtmartialed.

In the military, orders are orders. Number one rule.

 

[deugirtni]

not enough space?

"Even as Manitoba's ICU capacity has increased 150 per cent, the province has been forced to move patients to hospitals in Ontario to make more room. As of Tuesday, there were 79 COVID-19 patients in intensive care, plus 18 patients who were transferred to hospitals in Ontario."

not enough staff?

"... the health system is overwhelmed, a group of doctors said at a news conference Tuesday morning."

Yes but if there are people needing lifesaving surgeries, shouldn't they be as much of a priority as covid patients? If a person is scheduled for surgery, I'm assuming it's considered worthwhile to save that person's life as well? Why not have performed these urgent surgeries and started sending covid patients out of province earlier, if they couldn't accommodate both? It doesn't 'sound' like these heart surgeries were 'elective' surgeries? Imo

 

[JDG]

680 news

Some volunteers are getting second doses at end of day although the government will not open clinics for second doses for general public.

The pressure is mounting to give out second doses to the more vulnerable, ie older cohorts instead of letting appointments go unfulfilled as on May 24 weekend.

Some doctors say that there are deaths and extreme illness in people who have had one vaccination and that that should not be happening when there is vaccine available.

 

[otto]

Otto,

Thank you for the link. The headline is misleading, he asked other military to not participate in the distribution of the vaccine. Of course, it was the military who were in charge of distributing it and still are....as well as helping in nursing homes etc.

He did speak out at the anti-lockdown rally and I agree, he was bonkers/wrong to show up in uniform.

I do not think its too off-the-wall to call these vaccines 'killer' vaccines as the authorities openly admit that 'some people' have died as result of being vaccinated.

The choice we all have to make is about risk, do we want to risk COVID or risk a very small chance of dying/getting sick from the vaccine.
Both COVID and the vaccine could be described as 'killers'.

Yes, the fellow has erred but MUTINY?? A life sentence if found guilty??

I did read that he is more likely to do five years on the lesser charge when courtmartialed.

In the military, orders are orders. Number one rule.

My understanding of the reason for mutiny is that he was inciting others in the military to refuse to follow through with an order to assist with vaccine distribution. If he disagrees with the order, he has the option to leave the military.

The fact that he was also training cadets means that his voice has more credibility with young recruits, therefore he had more responsibility to support orders. He made a mistake, one that cannot be allowed to stand in a military environment.

 

[JDG]

My understanding of the reason for mutiny is that he was inciting others in the military to refuse to follow through with an order to assist with vaccine distribution. If he disagrees with the order, he has the option to leave the military.

The fact that he was also training cadets means that his voice has more credibility with young recruits, therefore he had more responsibility to support orders. He made a mistake, one that cannot be allowed to stand in a military environment.

I thought he WAS an officer Cadet. He was 'only' a reservist, not full time so doubt he was training anyone.

Yes, he was dismissed after the anti lockdown rally and charged in May. uh oh

 

[otto]

I thought he WAS an officer Cadet. He was 'only' a reservist, not full time so doubt he was training anyone.

Yes, he was dismissed after the anti lockdown rally and charged in May. uh oh

"The Defence Department says Kenderesi was relieved of his duties as a reserve cadet instructor in Borden, Ont., in December and charged by military police on May 12."
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Canadian soldier facing mutiny charge after urging troops not to take COVID-19 vaccine

 

[LadyL]

Influencers say they got offered thousands to spread fake news on Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine