Found Deceased Canada - Dan Archbald, 37, & Ryan Daley, 43, Ucluelet, Bc, 16 May 2018

[Linike]

I think absolutely police have to investigate the possibility there was a drug smuggling motive. Whether they have any strong evidence in that direction is the question mark for me.

..they don't release information like that to the public, can you imagine the outcry?

 

[Linike]

If this incident, sadly these two men losing their lives, wasn't connected with Organized Crime the DEA would not be involved. Read their mission statement.
This is big time.

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The mission of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is to enforce the controlled substances laws and regulations of the United States and bring to the criminal and civil justice system of the United States, or any other competent jurisdiction, those organizations and principal members of organizations, involved in the growing, manufacture, or distribution of controlled substances appearing in or destined for illicit traffic in the United States; and to recommend and support non-enforcement programs aimed at reducing the availability of illicit controlled substances on the domestic and international markets.

In carrying out its mission as the agency responsible for enforcing the controlled substances laws and regulations of the United States, the DEA's primary responsibilities include:

• Investigation and preparation for the prosecution of major violators of controlled substance laws operating at interstate and international levels.
• Investigation and preparation for prosecution of criminals and drug gangs who perpetrate violence in our communities and terrorize citizens through fear and intimidation.
• Management of a national drug intelligence program in cooperation with federal, state, local, and foreign officials to collect, analyze, and disseminate strategic and operational drug intelligence information.
• Seizure and forfeiture of assets derived from, traceable to, or intended to be used for illicit drug trafficking.
• Enforcement of the provisions of the Controlled Substances Act as they pertain to the manufacture, distribution, and dispensing of legally produced controlled substances.
• Coordination and cooperation with federal, state and local law enforcement officials on mutual drug enforcement efforts and enhancement of such efforts through exploitation of potential interstate and international investigations beyond local or limited federal jurisdictions and resources.
• Coordination and cooperation with federal, state, and local agencies, and with foreign governments, in programs designed to reduce the availability of illicit abuse-type drugs on the United States market through nonenforcement methods such as crop eradication, crop substitution, and training of foreign officials.
• Responsibility, under the policy guidance of the Secretary of State and U.S. Ambassadors, for all programs associated with drug law enforcement counterparts in foreign countries.
• Liaison with the United Nations, Interpol, and other organizations on matters relating to international drug control programs.

 

[siliconrod]

U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency ‘assisting’ RCMP in Ucluelet double-murder probe | The Star

DEA spokesperson Wade Sparks also declined to provide specifics, but said the DEA has offices in Canada and often works with RCMP.

‘We work with RCMP everyday. That doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re working on this particular case,’ he said. ‘DEA working with counterparts in a foreign country, where we have an office, is very common and it’s the reason we’re there.’

He added that the DEA would not be involved in a homicide investigation.

‘Just to be clear, DEA does not investigate murders,’ he said. ‘We stay in our lane, which is drug crimes. That’s where we stay. We don’t investigate homicides. We’re never going to be an agency that’s going to solve a murder…That’s not something that we would be even attempting to do. It’s not our lane.

There seems to be contradictory statements from the DEA in regards to this investigation.
Is the DEA assisting in the homicide investigation or just investigating it from a drug smuggling point of view.

 

[always reading]

There seems to be contradictory statements from the DEA in regards to this investigation.
Is the DEA assisting in the homicide investigation or just investigating it from a drug smuggling point of view.

I think they are saying they are only helping with the drug aspect.

 

[Curiouslurker]

I think they are saying they are only helping with the drug aspect.

I’m under the same impression from their statements that they are ONLY involved because of a drug investigation and it spans 3 different countries.

 

[Austin Bear]

DEA is even quoted saying "just to be clear we do not investigate homicides, we're never going to be an agency that solves a murder, that's not even something we'd be attempting to do, it's not our lane." They are there for drug suspicion at the very least but I believe they know much more and why we have no details. Here are some things I find suspicious.

1) Not sure if it is the Harbour manager or the media but Harbour manager is quoted two different moorage stories. CBC Quote, Harbour manager, "the day before they left, Archibald paid for a month moorage on the boat." Then quoted with Global News has HM stating, ” I put the men in contact with a local surveyor, adding on May 16, he got a call from Archbald wanting to pay the moorage fees, adding they were packed up and ready to go. Two different days of detail here.

2) Dan has a black water proof bag over his arm and a pack on his back that is different in size/shape/and strap colours from the video of him picking up a bag to head to parking lot, there is also a board bag he is also dragging in the pictures of the them on the dock walking, in the shot of him picking up the back pack to leave the bag is not the same as in the earlier shot. There are clearly no bright straps the bag is smaller and a different build all together. It took 18 minutes of time from first shot of them walking on the dock to the second shot of Dan leaving the office and putting on the pack and leaving to parking lot, where is the other bags he was carrying? Loaded up already?

3) The Greyhound leaves Ukee at 1:40pm, this is speculation but could they have been intercepted on the way to the bus? When they leave to head to the parking lot they are both moving like some one is waiting or they are needing to make it to a scheduled time. In close up you see Dan saying something to Ryan before he picks up his bags, if you slowmo Ryan picking up his bags you can really see how much weight was in the thing, it also nearly collapses him in the parking lot, you don't notice this until slow mo, these guys were not walking far, and Dan has flip flops on. You can see square and rectangle harp cornered objects in the rear of Daley's back as he heads through the parking lot.


4) Harbour Manager is in the vicinity as these two are heaving bags past him through his parking lot, this is also where Dan's other gear is no longer in view with different style pack going over his shoulder.

 

[Austin Bear]

DEA is even quoted saying "just to be clear we do not investigate homicides, we're never going to be an agency that solves a murder, that's not even something we'd be attempting to do, it's not our lane." They are there for drug suspicion at the very least but I believe they know much more and why we have no details. Here are some things I find suspicious.

1) Not sure if it is the Harbour manager or the media but Harbour manager is quoted two different moorage stories. CBC Quote, Harbour manager, "the day before they left, Archibald paid for a month moorage on the boat." Then quoted with Global News has HM stating, ” I put the men in contact with a local surveyor, adding on May 16, he got a call from Archbald wanting to pay the moorage fees, adding they were packed up and ready to go. Two different days of detail here.

2) Dan has a black water proof bag over his arm and a pack on his back that is different in size/shape/and strap colours from the video of him picking up a bag to head to parking lot, there is also a board bag he is also dragging in the pictures of the them on the dock walking, in the shot of him picking up the back pack to leave the bag is not the same as in the earlier shot. There are clearly no bright straps the bag is smaller and a different build all together. It took 18 minutes of time from first shot of them walking on the dock to the second shot of Dan leaving the office and putting on the pack and leaving to parking lot, where is the other bags he was carrying? Loaded up already?

3) The Greyhound leaves Ukee at 1:40pm, this is speculation but could they have been intercepted on the way to the bus? When they leave to head to the parking lot they are both moving like some one is waiting or they are needing to make it to a scheduled time. In close up you see Dan saying something to Ryan before he picks up his bags, if you slowmo Ryan picking up his bags you can really see how much weight was in the thing, it also nearly collapses him in the parking lot, you don't notice this until slow mo, these guys were not walking far, and Dan has flip flops on. You can see square and rectangle harp cornered objects in the rear of Daley's back as he heads through the parking lot.


4) Harbour Manager is in the vicinity as these two are heaving bags past him through his parking lot, this is also where Dan's other gear is no longer in view with different style pack going over his shoulder.

*Sharp not harp and Daleys bag not back sorry in paragraph #3

 

[Austin Bear]

I did some searching online for how much kilos are in Ecuador seen a world wide price list online and showed it had it for $800/kg or so. In theory a person can carry their weight. Avg male weight at 5ft 9" is 175lbs or 80 kg's. I also read smuggler operations have people who will hike it through the Columbian hills and have 40kg packs on average for the hikers through the jungle and mountains to Peru/Equador. For hypothesis sake, let's say D and R have 50 kg each minimum in between them total in the bags coming off the dock. Pricing according to index is $80,000 whole sale for purchase in Equador, according to google around 40k a kg in Canada for whole sale. This is not sounding like something completely out of reach to get investors attracted. That's a 4 million dollar load too just on foot, that information in the wrong hands would be danger bay!

 

[Sjm_qc]

This is not about whether or not people on websleuths are naive. It's about two young men, with no previous hint of drugs in their past, who are now dead, who ought to be treated with respect for the sake of their families, and receive the basic human right of being regarded as innocent until proven guilty.

Websleuths is supposed to be a crime solving forum based on detection and research of what is known to be true, and not a site for baseless innuendo, and self-gratification through guessing "right".

There's been plenty of cases, usually the killing of women, when I am quite sure the husband or boyfriend did it, but I don't state that directly because I'm also aware it's just my speculation, I don't know anything about the particular circumstances, and I could be wrong.

Bringing this forward because an upvote isn’t enough.

The drug smuggling speculation could be relevant in this particular case, but some of it (not just on WS) is reaching realms of fantasy/off the rails. IMO.

 

[Linike]

There seems to be contradictory statements from the DEA in regards to this investigation.
Is the DEA assisting in the homicide investigation or just investigating it from a drug smuggling point of view.

DEA does not get involved with the murder aspect at all.

 

[Linike]

What

Bringing this forward because an upvote isn’t enough.

The drug smuggling speculation could be relevant in this particular case, but some of it (not just on WS) is reaching realms of fantasy/off the rails. IMO.

What indicators of something else?

 

[tarabull]

What other Canadian (...homicide...) cases have involved the DEA???

 

[Austin Bear]

Bringing this forward because an upvote isn’t enough.

The drug smuggling speculation could be relevant in this particular case, but some of it (not just on WS) is reaching realms of fantasy/off the rails. IMO.

I do understand what you are saying, how ever at this point anything to do with drugs would be mere hypothesis, not fantasy as you'd claim. DEA is here due to drug suspicion period. The formula for smuggling is there and at this time the clearest indicator of what may of what happened to these two. With the facts that are given and then beginning to draw new hypothesis to evolve into theory to be able to get to new facts is part of being a detective.

I could see this being a problem in the beginning of the investigation when we had no other information from LE on the where abouts of these two, but after them being found dead and LE saying it was targeted not random and then call the DEA in to investigate, <modsnip: offensive to others>

 

[tarabull]

What other Canadian (...homicide...) cases have involved the DEA???

Quoting myself to say, here's one...fwiw:

Utah meth bust helped dismantle Canadian crime group, police say

…In addition, due to the investigation, a double homicide in Calgary was linked to a member of the organization, according to law enforcement group.

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[Austin Bear]

Quoting myself to say, here's one...fwiw:

Utah meth bust helped dismantle Canadian crime group, police say

Fair enough but realize DEA's involvement here with your Utah post was cause of drugs not the homicide. The drug investigation led into the homicide link. DEA is not and will not be investigating homicide, drugs are their lane plain and simple, they are here because of drugs, there is drug involvement suspicion at the very least, this is why DEA is here period.

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[tarabull]

I do understand (100%) Austin Bear, a simple case of which came first, the chicken or the egg is all (sts)....fwiw.

:moo:

iykwim.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Maybe the drop off was in Hawaii and not Ucluelet? DEA is American but sounds like they work on international drug crimes as well... Would drugs have to touch US soil to get DEA involved or can they just assist other countries with drug crimes?

 

[Austin Bear]

Maybe the drop off was in Hawaii and not Ucluelet? DEA is American but sounds like they work on international drug crimes as well... Would drugs have to touch US soil to get DEA involved or can they just assist other countries with drug crimes?

I thought of that too Lala, very possible, although they would probably face inspection from Boarder Guards I think? Unless they anchored in the water and had a dingy to come in?

DEA's Jodie Underwood stated that they were invited by RCMP to help move the case forward, Underwood says there are many levels of assistance available from the drug enforcement agency but she has not been told what has been requested or provided (ctv news vic island).

 

[tarabull]

Maybe a pick-up/drop was made between San Juan Island & VI...???

A BC man was busted in April 2018 for moving product via vessel between BC & WA (drop was SJI) maybe the remedy/fix was altering the route/routine.

B.C. boater charged after smuggling 100 kilos of cocaine and meth into Canada

:dunno:

 

[steelybird]

If they were on a cruise to get their boat, (from Panama...??) to come back and be targeted, and shot in the back of the head...........my thought would be.......why were they murdered? hmmm...just my opinion.

Just curious....have the details been released of how they were actually murdered (i.e. "shot in the back of the head")? Or was this speculation? Also, any details of how they were identified? I've read some pretty crazy theories out there but nothing so far from a trustworthy source.