GUILTY Canada - Diane Werendowicz, 23, raped & murdered, Hamilton, Ont, June 1981

  • #221
Previous testimony from RB, from his third trial. It seems the vehicle had been identified as a Pontiac Beaumont. I have a feeling 'statement analysis' would have a field day with these comments. jmo:

Badgerow told the jury that prior to his 1982 marriage to Tammy Hunt, he had three or four “encounters” that saw him pick up women in bars and have sex with them. He said he never wore condoms, the sex was always consensual and he always ejaculated.


He conceded he wasn’t always successful in his attempts to connect with the opposite sex.


“Regardless of what I have done, I am no Don Juan. Of course I struck out.”


But not on the night of June 19, 1981, at Malarky’s bar in the Fiesta Mall plaza in Stoney Creek.


Badgerow said he believed he met the 23-year-old Werendowicz in the bar’s back parking lot.


“Hey, how are you doing? Do you smoke? Do you want to smoke a joint in my car?” Badgerow said of his conversation with the McMaster nursing assistant, who up to that point had been a complete stranger.


Bytensky wanted Badgerow to explain how the marijuana-smoking progressed to sexual intercourse in the back seat of his Pontiac Beaumont.


“I had the stereo on. I engaged her in conversation. Maybe I made a move or two and suggested we get in the back seat,” his client replied. “She was accepting and willing because we went into the back seat.”


“I don’t know if there was kissing or touching. We progressed to the point of having sexual intercourse.”


“Do you recall ejaculating?” Bytensky asked.


“I would say I did,” Badgerow answered.


The accused said after the sex, the two dressed in the car and “parted ways.”


Badgerow believes he offered Werendowicz a drive home.


He said she declined.


“She would have left the car and walked home. I would have driven home,” he said.


“When she left the vehicle, did you ever see her again, alive?” Bytensky asked.


“No,” Badgerow answered.
http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2223948-murder-accused-takes-the-stand/
 
  • #222
Interesting that there was a vase of flowers in DW's apartment, and even more interesting that the vase was knocked over.

I can't find mention of her friend Lori bringing her flowers that evening? Where did the flowers come from? Did DW buy them? Did someone send them to her for her birthday? Was her bf trying to make up with her and make their relationship 'on again'? Were his prints checked against the ones found on the vase?

Why was the vase knocked over? Did Lori testify in relation to anything to do with the vase of flowers, or whether the vase was intact prior to leaving DW's apartment that night?

I think I read somewhere along the way that apparently DW had a cat? Would the cat have had reason to knock the vase over? Was that something that happened now and then with DW's cat? How soon was it before detectives entered DW's residence to examine?

Since we can only read tweets and not see photos or get context at first I was excited as you about them being knocked over but then I figured, police are sloppy at times, and maybe they had knocked them over. Or yes, maybe the cat, and maybe the wind from a window. I suspected maybe they were birthday flowers from Lori and the other set of prints merely the florist's. (Just speculating).

But that Lori's prints were on seems like from Lori not the boyfriend later unless boyfriend came in and assumed they were from some other guy... At one time he lived with her so would have maybe had a key.
 
  • #223
Has it ever been said where RB lived at the time of DW's murder?

EK said he lived at 70 Jerome (same address as DW) in 1982/83 for one year, and that RB lived at 50 Jerome (right across the street?) during that time and also before that, but he isn't sure when he moved in there (or when he left there?) RB moved to Caledonia sometime after marrying his second wife, in 1987.

Yes, agreed, that's just too much that RB also lived on Jerome Cres. RB married TH in April 1982. Would they have moved as newlyweds into 50 Jerome 10 months after DW's murder? Or did he already live there at the time and TH moved into his apartment when they married?

Yes timeline not easy to follow. I know one friend referred to Caledonia but that may have been the '98 arrest time. I thought of creating a timeline but haven't.
 
  • #224
It seems we don't know whether RB's vehicle was a truck or a car? It was summarized in a caselaw file that RB said it was a truck (but wasn't a direct quote). This is apparently a direct quote.


http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2223948-murder-accused-takes-the-stand/

Exactly my question earlier on. Makes you go hmmm--maybe no vehicle was used and RB is forgetting what he made up before. Or, some people just use car generically. Still, I think it's pretty important to specifiy. And geesh, they said Firestone tire but did they check out what vehicles it would fit?
 
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  • #226
Previous testimony from RB, from his third trial. It seems the vehicle had been identified as a Pontiac Beaumont. I have a feeling 'statement analysis' would have a field day with these comments. jmo:


http://www.therecord.com/news-story/2223948-murder-accused-takes-the-stand/

Wow, wow, wow.

First, what a pig pig pig!!!!!! STD much?

Second, yes very vague especially considering I'd think he'd have replayed events in his mind once he realized the murdered girl was the same girl in 81.

Third, doesn't know if there was kissing or touching just coaxing and ejaculating into her vagina. Dude, that is rather rape-ish if you ask me. Not very pleasurable or considerate for the female.

She was accepting and willing? OMG "Hey let's smoke joints...Now because I'm talking sexy to you we should get in the back seat even though I haven't kissed or touched you."...

AND MOST OF ALL if he did happen to live at 50 Jerome at the time, he would possibly have seen her walking and since they frequented the same bar he possibly had seen her there so not a random stranger IMO and.....he for sure would have driven her home since he lived next door, except I suppose, he'd just arrived and hadn't gone in for a drink yet!
 
  • #227
Wow, today I'm thinking he is guilty. I just need to answer how the jeans got back on her. So am thinking first rape, dress, try to run away, then get attacked.
 
  • #228
Man...where are all his past lovers hiding? Come on women, speak up, did he rape you?
 
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  • #230
This from Lisa Hepfner's Tweets Oct 18/16
There is also a seed stuck to a pubic hair. Alex looked at it under a dissecting microscope. "I recognized it clearly as a grass seed."

At first glance, this derails RB's story. She had to be naked in a field IMO to have that.
 
  • #231
Burrs were found in #Werendowicz socks but burrs can't pierce running shoes. So her shoes must have been off when her socks got burrs.The burrs went deeply into the sock, Dr. notices in the photo. "There was a lot of pressure on the sock."

This sounds like she may have been running/walking sock-foot. IMO
 
  • #232
This isn't to do with this case except for the topic, but was researching rape victim putting clothes back on. This could be what happened -- putting clothes on while walking--only in DW's case was grabbed again and murdered:

I don’t know how I did it and I don’t know how long it took me to do it, but I ended up pushing myself off the bed and rolling onto the floor. I started to run without my clothes or any of my stuff, but before getting to the door, turned back around to grab my clothes and my phone. My only thought was that I needed my mom (completely forgetting my phone had no battery left).

As I grabbed my stuff, one of the guys grabbed me by the arms and yelled, “Where are you going?" I pulled away without saying anything and ran. After getting outside I started walking and putting the rest of my clothes on. I was heading in what I thought was the right direction. I was walking for what seemed like a really long time.


http://www.mtv.com/news/1962056/rape-what-it-feels-like-no-one-believes/
 
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  • #234
Wow, today I'm thinking he is guilty. I just need to answer how the jeans got back on her. So am thinking first rape, dress, try to run away, then get attacked.

Did she actually get raped? Was that proven?
 
  • #235
Did she actually get raped? Was that proven?

His sperm & DNA was in her and in her jeans. Her panties were off her blouse open. He says it was consensual sex. She had bruises, etc, but no vaginal tearing but they said that is not necessarily an indication of rape or not rape. He has his story, but if he is a bold-faced liar, then you really need to start with the crime scene and evidence IMO and decide later if his story has any bearing. IMO
 
  • #236
This from Lisa Hepfner's Tweets Oct 18/16

At first glance, this derails RB's story. She had to be naked in a field IMO to have that.

Unless the sample was taken from her panties or other item, and not from her body? It doesn't specify where it was found or taken from? Was there also grass in the ravine, or just weeds and wildflowers?
 
  • #237
I wonder if RB's residence at the time of DW's murder is one of those items that was not allowed to be stated at trial due to being prejudicial? I can't recall seeing anything that states where he lived at the time. Why would that be? They have repeatedly stated that the 'alternate' perp resided in the same building as DW, but yet they haven't said where RB lived. Is that not weird? (Unless I have missed that little piece of info?)
 
  • #238
I wonder if RB's residence at the time of DW's murder is one of those items that was not allowed to be stated at trial due to being prejudicial? I can't recall seeing anything that states where he lived at the time. Why would that be? They have repeatedly stated that the 'alternate' perp resided in the same building as DW, but yet they haven't said where RB lived. Is that not weird? (Unless I have missed that little piece of info?)

You could be on to something there--protecting his residence info.
 
  • #239
Unless the sample was taken from her panties or other item, and not from her body? It doesn't specify where it was found or taken from? Was there also grass in the ravine, or just weeds and wildflowers?

As a hiker and gardener, I'd say there is always grass mixed in with whatever weeds and wildflowers there may be. A grass seed would be from a long piece of grass that has gone to seed. So long grass.
 
  • #240
Unless the sample was taken from her panties or other item, and not from her body? It doesn't specify where it was found or taken from? Was there also grass in the ravine, or just weeds and wildflowers?

Regarding the pubic hair:

At least 4 bankers boxes of Diane's belongings sitting near Crown table. Next exhibit is envelope of pubic hair. Crown alleges rape.

Silverstein asks how combed pubic hair sample got into envelope. Watkins says "I wasn't exactly hovering over (Dr. Foster)."

Silverstein and Watkins are carefully examining envelope that contained pubic combings. Discussing how it had been sealed. Tape? Saliva?

There is old, yellowed tape on envelope...Justice Patrick Flynn orders morning break.

In earlier testimony Watkins says someone else put the comb and hair inside the envelope. Then Watkins took the envelope
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