CANADA Canada - Elizabeth Bain, 22, Scarborough Ont, 19 June 1990 #1

[matou]

The blood in her car doesn't seem to be a substantial amount to me based on the description of it. Blood was in the foot-well area in the back of her car. It was also described as a spot of blood. So was there blood on the outside of the car too, to determine that she was dragged into the vehicle from the outside? Not sure what to think here.

 

[dotr]

The blood in her car doesn't seem to be a substantial amount to me based on the description of it. Blood was in the foot-well area in the back of her car. It was also described as a spot of blood. So was their blood on the outside of the car too, to determine that she was dragged into the vehicle from the outside? Not sure what to think here.

Trying to put this delicately, but wondering if the small amount of blood could be the result of a woman's cycle?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

^^^^^^^Following up on dotr's post - I wonder if LE tested the blood to see if it had uterine lining contents or if it was clear of that and was merely blood from cutting her hand.......or something more sinister?

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[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from matou:

Putting her body into her car while it's parked on the side of the road is pretty ballsy and the perp would have needed her keys to move her car to Morrish rd. He didn't put her in the trunk but in the back of the car, why?


An MO was developing? Was Kristen French put in the trunk or in the back seat?

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[eyesonly]

RB drove a blue cordoba i believe, fair size car. I believed he claimed to have never driven a standard before and there has not been one person to ever come forward and say he/she ever saw RB drive a standard.
The blood in the back area of EB car was described as a pool of blood if i remember correctly. There were blood smears along the side of the back seat edge and other places that led the police to determine she was dragged into and out of the car and was laying on the floor behind the drive and passenger seats. This is only their best guess based on their forensics at the time.
The pool of blood behind the drivers seat, seems to indicate EB was lying there at some point. Her hair barett was found there as well if i recall right.

 

[eyesonly]

There was already a male driving her car with her in passenger seat which indicates she knew this person. They were on the 401 driving eratically, EB looked out her passenger window yelling for help, her window was up. Her head kept going down out of site the witness stated.
Then they were parked at the 3R Auto office lot when a witness got off bus at kingston road and walked up morrish and seen them in the car, sounded like loud arguing, the girl (assumed to be EB) opened the door and put one foot out like she was getting out, their eyes locked, EB didnt scream or yell for help when the door was open, a arm came across and shut EB's door, the witness, crossed to the other side of the road, she thought they were bf and gf. EB turned head and looked straight at witness but witness didnt feel the girl was in trouble or looking for help. Witness heard male voice loud, EB's head kept going down out of site.

 

[matou]

There was already a male driving her car with her in passenger seat which indicates she knew this person. They were on the 401 driving eratically, EB looked out her passenger window yelling for help, her window was up. Her head kept going down out of site the witness stated.
Then they were parked at the 3R Auto office lot when a witness got off bus at kingston road and walked up morrish and seen them in the car, sounded like loud arguing, the girl (assumed to be EB) opened the door and put one foot out like she was getting out, their eyes locked, EB didnt scream or yell for help when the door was open, a arm came across and shut EB's door, the witness, crossed to the other side of the road, she thought they were bf and gf. EB turned head and looked straight at witness but witness didnt feel the girl was in trouble or looking for help. Witness heard male voice loud, EB's head kept going down out of site.

Wow, didn't hear about the Morrish Rd/3R auto witness. Was this witness male or female? What time did this witness see this? Knew about the 401 sighting, but heard it was near Oshawa. Scary.

 

[eyesonly]

The 401 witness says his sighting was between 7;15pm -8pm i believe. The Morrish Rd witness says she closed her store, got off bus and was headed home to catch her tv show "In the heat of the night". Not sure she ever gave an exact time of walking up morrish rd, but her description of the light of the sun, and we believe that show started at 9pm, would put the 401 sighting first and the morrish rd sighting 2nd. But that's not written in stone. EB seemed alot more in fear on the 401 than parked on morrish rd.
But the car was facing toward the 3r office so when the witness walked by, if the driver backed on to morrish rd which he would have to, and backed down morrish rd several yards and into the spot it was found, that makes sense to do that all in one motion, and to get to a more private type area between other vehicles. and the front wheels were turned to indicate thats what happened.

 

[eyesonly]

the 401 witness, was travelling east, EB's car came right up and almost hit his bumper, driving erratically, then went into the fast left lane or up the shoulder by the guardrail, i would have to check that. the witness was then beside the car and saw EB face against her passenger window mouthing for help. they took off, he tried to follow them, was going to have a word with the driver, but lost them around brock rd i believe, he pulled over and waited for them but he never saw them drive by him, so he believes they got off at brock rd.

 

[eyesonly]

the morrish rd witness a lady named ruth collins.

 

[matou]

So a witness sees her and her car on Morrish Rd and he leaves the car there or returns it there at the same place? So bizarre.

 

[eyesonly]

yes, one of the quandries of this case, and why LE say EB was dead before 7pm by RB. however, it is possible, that the person driving EB's vehicle may not be the same person who caused her disappearance. jmo from all the research ive done, and trying to make sense of it all.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Wow, I just read this whole thing. It sounds to me like 'abduction by car' = Paul Bernardo's MO with Kristen French.

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[eyesonly]

only issue with PB in this scenario, is that it would mean he abducted a girl using her own car. he used his own car, and there is no evidence he was ever seen driving someone elses vehicle.
the only way PB would be driving EB's car is if they knew each other, and he was trying to get to know her, and not just a spontaneous sexual assault.
if PB was the driver, the violence would be his MO with hitting her, and the prolonged anger attack.
If he found out that night EB had a boyfriend and was leading him on, as RB was in the area looking for her, then that would definitely have set him off, they are on 401, and she is panacking, then back to morrish rd, he calms a bit, EB believes she has him under control, witness walks by, PB backs up across rd between cars, to be more secluded, continue arguing, EB gets out trys to run across the little park area, he catches her at the back of it, theres a ravine, he kills her.

 

[eyesonly]

i don't believe PB was the perpetrator that night, but the possiblilty is always there and he should always be put into every scenario, as well as RB for that matter, i believe RB is absolutely innocent, but i wasnt there, my mind is always open, because until this is solved and she is found, i refuse to get tunnel vision like LE did against RB.

 

[dotr]

i don't believe PB was the perpetrator that night, but the possiblilty is always there and he should always be put into every scenario, as well as RB for that matter, i believe RB is absolutely innocent, but i wasnt there, my mind is always open, because until this is solved and she is found, i refuse to get tunnel vision like LE did against RB.

Wondering if you think Russell W could be a contender?

 

[eyesonly]

RW not a contender imo. His timeline puts him out of this province from what ive read. and not his MO imo. he broke into homes, not abducted from the street. EB had every chance to call for help on morrish rd to the collins lady and didnt. all indications are that she knew the male in the drivers seat.

 

[dotr]

Unsolved murders from late 80's to 90's..
females bbm.
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/unsolvedcold.php

"2/1997 January 5, 1997 Florence HARRISON (32/F)
Therese MELANSON (32/F)
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57/1996 December 29, 1996 Ye Qing WU (33/M)
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53/1996 December 16, 1996 Paul ARMSTRONG (37/M)
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51/1996 December 5, 1996 Jermaine EDWARDS (20/M)
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50/1996 November 19, 1996 Giovanni DERANGO (22/M)
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48/1996 November 2, 1996 Isaac LEWIS (37/M)
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46/1996 October 28, 1996 Bao Manh LE (27/M)
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45/1996 October 25, 1996 Wesley MORGAN (31/M)
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35/1996 July 6, 1996 En Wei CHONG (28/M)
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33/1996 June 29, 1996 Winston RICHARD (27/M)
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28/1996 June 14, 1996 Aarnie Raymond SAIKKONEN (23/M)
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16/1996 April 16, 1996 Edward Dennis LANGFORD (45/M)
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8/1996 January 30, 1996 Ali HENRY (20/M)
Injured Male (19/M)
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52/1995 November 19, 1995 Hermindo Jose SILVA (39/M)
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51/1995 November 18, 1995 Shawn FRANCIS (22/M)
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49/1995 November 8, 1995 Antonio Reis NEVES (59/M)
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58/1995 November 1, 1995 Desarae SAMUELS (2/F)
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46/1995 October 23, 1995 Daemian LOVE (20/M)
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35/1995 September 9, 1995 Dennis COLBY (47/M)
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33/1995 August 25, 1995 Jaswinder SINGH (36/M)
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60/1995 June 26, 1995 Holly Anne PAINTER (18/F)
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22/1995 June 6, 1995 Kuldip Singh DHALIWSAL (54/M)
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18/1995 May 6, 1995 James R. CHAMBERLAIN (28/M)
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17/1995 April 23, 1995 Norman WAN (48/M)
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9/1995 February 16, 1995 Sidney REID (68/M)
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54/1994 October 28, 1994 Virginia Lee COOTE (33/F)
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35/1994 July 30, 1994 Simone SANDLER (21/F)
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29/1994 July 7, 1994 Julieanne MIDDLETON (23/F)
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18/1994 May 9, 1994 Alton Hugh GRIZZLE (34/M)
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12/1994 March 29, 1994 Kien Quang TRAN (23/M)
Yong ZENG (25/M)
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11/1994 March 26, 1994 Garton McKNIGHT (27/M)
Injured Male (35/M)
Injured Female (20/F)
Injured Male (51/M)
Injured Male (30/M)
Injured Male (0/M)
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7/1994 March 2, 1994 Wing Bun NG (27/M)
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3/1994 January 25, 1994 Dwight St. Patrick COX (29/M)
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83/1991 December 10, 1991 Norman Washington Manley ENNIS (43/M)
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61/1991 September 8, 1991 Lori Marilyn PINKUS (21/F)
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48/1991 July 1, 1991 Anthony EKUNAH (35/M)
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23/1991 March 9, 1991 Cheryl NELSON (20/M)
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8/1990 February 18, 1990 Patricia Ann STEWART (71/F)
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47/1987 October 19, 1987 Kelly MOMBOURAQUETTE (14/F)
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53/1985 November 17, 1985 Lorelei BROSE (19/F)
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0/1984 October 3, 1984 Christine JESSOP (9/F)
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28/1983 August 17, 1983 Susan TICE (45/F)
Erin Harrison GILMOUR (22/F)
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9/1983 March 20, 1983 PEARCE, Graham Hugh (36/M)
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24/1982 June 20, 1982 Christine PRINCE (25/F)"
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[DueSouth]

They got together in the late 80's, I believe, so yes. They would be together in 1990.

 

[DueSouth]

Sorry, folks, but that reply above was to someone asking when Bernardo and Homolka got together.

The string of circumstantial evidence and coincidences in this case that link Bain to Bernardo are striking. However, from what I remember reading, EB was seeing a number of guys at once, at least casually.

From what I understand, there were references in her diary to some individuals who were never identified.

See also "No Claim To Mercy" by Derek Finkle as the definitive account of this case.