Found Deceased Canada - Genevieve Cormier, 19, St John, NB, 29 Sept 2013 - #2

[Truth Prevails]

Sadly, this is where cases like this go cold. No media outcry for continued investigation and explanation; and while in the ideal world there might be a maverick detective who continues to work looking for something that's been missed needed to solve the mystery - in real life, other things take priority...

Interesting - because if law enforcement has closed this case as an "accidental death," then it would not even be considered cold, but solved.

One more 'pat on the back' statistic showing our crime rate is at it's lowest point since 1972.

That is no longer believable in my opinion, and I hope others begin to see the light.

Following is a quote from an article published on November 3, 2013; and I wish we could see more effort in this regard.

Quote: "If anybody has anything, especially at this point now where we know something did happen to her, if anybody has been holding on to something they didn't think was important, any suspicious activity, anything like that, please, please contact the police," she said. "The family knows what has happened now, but nobody knows the why or how."

Justice for Genevieve!!! And Yeonhee; and Shelby!

 

[jillybean51]

Hoping to hear more from Inquisitive Kat but I completely respect her wishes and was so grateful to her for the info regarding Gen's purse/ passport.I also feel like the case will go cold soon,barring any more details.:banghead:

 

[Sandpiper]

This an article written by local reporter who did stories on Gen while she was missing.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Hoping to hear more from Inquisitive Kat but I completely respect her wishes and was so grateful to her for the info regarding Gen's purse/ passport.I also feel like the case will go cold soon,barring any more details.:banghead:

I worry more that they are going to totally close her file as an accidental death; i.e. she slipped and somehow ended up in the Saint John River.

I can understand how Genevieve's case could go cold due to lack of evidence--after all, she was a long time in the water, and they do not even know where the crime took place.

But what I will never understand, forgive, or accept is if they close her case as an accidental death or a suicide.

If it could be allowed to remain open--even if it goes cold--there will always be that chance that they will look at it in the future; especially if more bodies turn up in the water ways.

But if they close it--that is going to be it, forever. They will never re-open; they will never look further; they will never try to connect it to others.

They will forever deny Genevieve justice!!

 

[Truth Prevails]

This an article written by local reporter who did stories on Gen while she was missing.

Thank you so much for adding this, Sandpiper!

What a nice surprise to see that he cared, and he shared some really beautiful things about Genevieve.

This kind of made me stop in my tracks, though:

. . . "I covered some tough stories when I lived in Toronto. Among them was the story of a woman who moved from China after fearing persecution for violating the country's one-child policy. Instead of finding a safer life in Canada, she was brutally murdered, her body parts scattered in two cities. One of my co-workers found some of her remains while he was taking photos of police searching." . . .

I guess he has never heard the name Yeonhee Chan. She didn't find anything better in Saint John, N.B., either. :cow:

 

[Sandpiper]

Thank you so much for adding this, Sandpiper!

What a nice surprise to see that he cared, and he shared some really beautiful things about Genevieve.

This kind of made me stop in my tracks, though:


I guess he has never heard the name Yeonhee Chan. She didn't find anything better in Saint John, N.B., either. :cow:

Actually that reporter has heard of both Yeonhee and Shelby, this is the same reporter who wrote the article about there being No Link in the Deaths as put forth by the police chief on Nov 8. No poor Yeonhee didn't find anything better in Canada.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Actually that reporter has heard of both Yeonhee and Shelby, this is the same reporter who wrote the article about there being No Link in the Deaths as put forth by the police chief on Nov 8. No poor Yeonhee didn't find anything better in Canada.

Shows how they can close their minds, imo.

I know that is dark, but I also know that he has to base his stories on what he is told can be put in print; or else it would not be printed.

BBM - I agree.

 

[jillybean51]

This an article written by local reporter who did stories on Gen while she was missing.

Beautiful article! It's so heartwarming to know so many people cared and STILL care about what happened to Gen. Praying for a miracle...Thanks for sharing Sandpiper !

 

[GinaBeth]

There should be an article about these incidents coming in the next issue of Frank magazine out of Halifax. I will post the direct link when my DH publishes it.

 

[swedie]

BBM - Yeppers, that is what they are telling us.

I Googled hair strength, and healthy human hair is quite strong. Apparently, one strand would be as strong as copper wire of the same diameter; plus it has elastic properties which enables it to stretch as much as 50% when wet.

Also, it can withstand a slow and steady force for some time.

Source: http://www.keratin.com/aa/aa016.shtml

Genevieve had long, beautiful hair that she worse loose that Sunday. I suppose as it floated out from her shoulders, her purse could have become entangled in it.

It's still so much to swallow.

How does a smart, healthy girl manage to fall into the Saint John River from a pathway that she has frequented regularly; and float ashore some 34 days later with her purse--containing her ID--ensnared by her hair.

Why wouldn't the purse have caught on a rock or something on the way down the embankment? Or get caught between rocks on the bottom of the river.

Oh, and it just so happens the same thing happened to another lady six months before, on the same path.

Yeonhee's hair was short, though; and they won't tell us if her backpack was still with her.

I am so thrilled to see many still working hard on Gen's case. TruthP you are so very dedicated and thank you for your extensive sleuthing, maps, theories and dedication. :loveyou:

What I am wondering is, and I did mention it before, if her purse had a buckle on the strap, I could see her hair getting entangled with the buckle which may have caused her purse to stay with her. Maybe her purse wasn't still found looped over her body, but if entanglement of her hair and a buckle to me makes sense how her purse remained with her. Another possibility could be if her jacket had drawstrings around the neck. Did that get entangled with suggested buckle on her purse? Or did her purse itself have any fastening/decorative buckles on it's exterior which her hair may have got entangled with?

 

[OldSteve]

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What I am wondering is, and I did mention it before, if her purse had a buckle on the strap, I could see her hair getting entangled with the buckle which may have caused her purse to stay with her. Maybe her purse wasn't still found looped over her body, but if entanglement of her hair and a buckle to me makes sense how her purse remained with her. Another possibility could be if her jacket had drawstrings around the neck. Did that get entangled with suggested buckle on her purse? Or did her purse itself have any fastening/decorative buckles on it's exterior which her hair may have got entangled with?

It's too bad LE doesn't clarify/explain the mystery of how her purse stayed with her. A reasonable explanation would stop speculation, unless of course there is no reasonable explanation....
We all know LE likes to hold back details that only a perp who commits the crime would know about - might this be a reason? -- Even though "no foul play" is mentioned...

 

[Sandpiper]

I am so thrilled to see many still working hard on Gen's case. TruthP you are so very dedicated and thank you for your extensive sleuthing, maps, theories and dedication. :loveyou:

What I am wondering is, and I did mention it before, if her purse had a buckle on the strap, I could see her hair getting entangled with the buckle which may have caused her purse to stay with her. Maybe her purse wasn't still found looped over her body, but if entanglement of her hair and a buckle to me makes sense how her purse remained with her. Another possibility could be if her jacket had drawstrings around the neck. Did that get entangled with suggested buckle on her purse? Or did her purse itself have any fastening/decorative buckles on it's exterior which her hair may have got entangled with?

All good suggestions Swedie- her sister Inquisitive Kat did tell us that her purse was found still across her body, but I do see a tie on her jacket could help keep purse in place.

 

[Sandpiper]

There should be an article about these incidents coming in the next issue of Frank magazine out of Halifax. I will post the direct link when my DH publishes it.

Thank you GinaBeth for this information. Can hardly wait.

 

[melodyl]

In the video captures shown of Jen from that day, her purse was not visible. I believe she wore her purse under her jacket. Since it was a crossbody bag that she used, she would have put the strap over her head on the one side and the bag part would have been under the opposite arm. Then if she wore it under a zipped up jacket, I can easily see how her purse would have remained on her. I hope this makes sense.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I am so thrilled to see many still working hard on Gen's case. TruthP you are so very dedicated and thank you for your extensive sleuthing, maps, theories and dedication. :loveyou:

What I am wondering is, and I did mention it before, if her purse had a buckle on the strap, I could see her hair getting entangled with the buckle which may have caused her purse to stay with her. Maybe her purse wasn't still found looped over her body, but if entanglement of her hair and a buckle to me makes sense how her purse remained with her. Another possibility could be if her jacket had drawstrings around the neck. Did that get entangled with suggested buckle on her purse? Or did her purse itself have any fastening/decorative buckles on it's exterior which her hair may have got entangled with?

I spent a lot of time on Gen's purse, too, Swedie; and made many comments dedicated to it.

Of course, anything is possible. Keep in mind, though, that we don't even know if her coat was still on her. It is entirely possible that it was not.

Have you been to the area to witness the tides, plus the whirlpools and rapids in the Reversing Falls?

Law enforcement said in the media that Genevieve had been in the water for a 'long time.' It does not make sense to me that an unprotected body could survive that amount of brutal force, washing to shore after a 'long time' and still be fully clothed, with purse in tact.

Everything inside of me screams that it could not happen that way.

I would need to see pictures before I would ever swallow that, and I would want those pictures to be verified as being authentic.

And there is something that really bothers me about her purse possibly staying with her because it was entangled in her beautiful hair--wouldn't that mean she floated on the surface for a while, as in she must have already been deceased when she landed in the water.

If we fall in the water when we are alive, we pretty much sink right away, don't we?

I would think struggling and kicking to stay afloat, would prevent that purse from getting entangled in anyone's hair.

imo

Regarding the bolding by me--we don't have any info on that.

 

[Truth Prevails]

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It's too bad LE doesn't clarify/explain the mystery of how her purse stayed with her. A reasonable explanation would stop speculation, unless of course there is no reasonable explanation....
We all know LE likes to hold back details that only a perp who commits the crime would know about - might this be a reason? -- Even though "no foul play" is mentioned...

BBM--Now, that is another one your your excellent points.

If they have this termed as an "accidental" death, as I believe they do, I can't imagine that they are looking for a perp.

How sad.

 

[Truth Prevails]

All good suggestions Swedie- her sister Inquisitive Kat did tell us that her purse was found still across her body, but I do see a tie on her jacket could help keep purse in place.

Yep, and Inquisitive Kat is a verified insider.

I went back and re-read all her comments--and I didn't see any that said Genevieve's coat was still on her.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Thank you GinaBeth for this information. Can hardly wait.

I second this.

I had never heard of Frank magazine, but I did Googled it. Wow.

 

[Sandpiper]

BBM--Now, that is another one your your excellent points.

If they have this termed as an "accidental" death, as I believe they do, I can't imagine that they are looking for a perp.

How sad.

Have been watching for any news of tox results, however I also believe that the police have it down to accidental so really can't see what tox results would do for anything. I still don't think it was an accident and I don't think Gen went in at the falls.

 

[Truth Prevails]

In the video captures shown of Jen from that day, her purse was not visible. I believe she wore her purse under her jacket. Since it was a crossbody bag that she used, she would have put the strap over her head on the one side and the bag part would have been under the opposite arm. Then if she wore it under a zipped up jacket, I can easily see how her purse would have remained on her. I hope this makes sense.

The video captures were taken of Genevieve at around 11:41 am.

It was reported that Genevieve was at her friend's 'place' on Duke Street around 2:00 pm.

I believe she left for her home on the west side from that residence, and took her purse with her at time.

Gen was a beautiful and fashionable young woman. I can't see her wearing her purse inside her jacket, but maybe that's just me.