Canada - Gursimran Kaur, 19, Walmart worker found dead inside bakery oven - October 22, 2024

[Panniniclaus]

Perhaps it was just a terrible accident and no one ‘did’ anything.

Seems the most unlikely option at this point but not impossible.

 

[JDG]

I’m having a hard time coming up with an accident scenario that makes any sense- door doesn’t auto shut, or auto lock and as best I can tell should not have been on at that time and no one should accidentally have been in the oven - I’m having trouble finding an accident scenario that fits what we know so far- I’m could be missing something obvious and all my own opinions-

do you have an accident theory that makes sense to you? I’m stumped-

We know almost nothing, it’s still under investigation.

It’s all rumour and speculation at this point.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

We know almost nothing, it’s still under investigation.

It’s all rumour and speculation at this point.

True- I meant what has been released so far - moo

 

[abyquinn]

I for one would not buy any bakery items from this Walmart ever again.

They would remove that oven, don’t you think?

The police & manufacturer will have to examine it. This will take time. Wouldn’t it make sense that this examination would take place in a secured location?

Aside from the psychological aspect of anyone working in that bakery & being around that oven where their coworker died. I cannot imagine them using that oven ever again.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

We know almost nothing, it’s still under investigation.

It’s all rumour and speculation at this point.

And I wasn’t trying to be combative- I was actually asking if you had an accident scenario that made sense- I’m genuinely struggling to come up with one- and I always prefer an accident to self harm or foul play- moo

 

[sunspun]

I’m having a hard time coming up with an accident scenario that makes any sense- door doesn’t auto shut, or auto lock and as best I can tell should not have been on at that time and no one should accidentally have been in the oven - I’m having trouble finding an accident scenario that fits what we know so far- I’m could be missing something obvious and all my own opinions-

do you have an accident theory that makes sense to you? I’m stumped-

I don't know how it could have ever happened by accident either, but foul play seems so unlikely as well, since that would almost certainly entail some person somehow moving her body through the OPEN store full of customers and employees with no one noticing!

If she was already in the bakery area, that would be less problematic, but it would still mean some unauthorized person was freely moving about and doing things in a restricted area where he or she didn't belong.

If that person actually DID belong in the area (like a bakery department employee), they might have the opportunity without being too conspicuous, but there are problems with that too. Mainly how did they keep her from letting herself out of the oven? If she was already dead or incapacitated, how did they do that to her with no one seeing? And even if they did manage to do that, why did no one notice the oven had been turned on and stayed on for however long it would have had to be on to cause the damage it did to her? There must be more than one bakery employee. And that person or persons would know the baking schedule and would notice the oven was on when it shouldn't be on.

And the perp surely wouldn't do all this and then remain in the area while she was dying or while her body was in there. But how would a person who was supposed to be working normally just take off and leave with no one noticing? Soooo many problems with any scenario imaginable! And especially because all this had to happen in an open store crawling with people in every department!

I'm expecting to find out it was an awful accident with blame to pass around on neglectful co-workers and possibly shoddy adherence to safety protocols or something like that, but I admit I can't envision how it could ever have happened in any way.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I’ve been desperately trying to think of an accident that would have ended this way but I’m stumped. No accident puts her in that oven. Maybe a prank - I dare you to get inside that oven type of thing. But then again, it makes no sense. MOO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I don't know how it could have ever happened by accident either, but foul play seems so unlikely as well, since that would almost certainly entail some person somehow moving her body through the OPEN store full of customers and employees with no one noticing!

If she was already in the bakery area, that would be less problematic, but it would still mean some unauthorized person was freely moving about and doing things in a restricted area where he or she didn't belong.

If that person actually DID belong in the area (like a bakery department employee), they might have the opportunity without being too conspicuous, but there are problems with that too. Mainly how did they keep her from letting herself out of the oven? If she was already dead or incapacitated, how did they do that to her with no one seeing? And even if they did manage to do that, why did no one notice the oven had been turned on and stayed on for however long it would have had to be on to cause the damage it did to her? There must be more than one bakery employee. And that person or persons would know the baking schedule and would notice the oven was on when it shouldn't be on.

And the perp surely wouldn't do all this and then remain in the area while she was dying or while her body was in there. But how would a person who was supposed to be working normally just take off and leave with no one noticing? Soooo many problems with any scenario imaginable! And especially because all this had to happen in an open store crawling with people in every department!

I'm expecting to find out it was an awful accident with blame to pass around on neglectful co-workers and possibly shoddy adherence to safety protocols or something like that, but I admit I can't envision how it could ever have happened in any way.

I’d be curious how well lit the bakery area was and how conspicuous the oven was or wasn’t and if perhaps it’s more secluded and private or an un populated area of the store? Not much is making sense at the moment but I could believe non accident easier than accident I think - at this point… moo

 

[JDG]

They would remove that oven, don’t you think?

The police & manufacturer will have to examine it. This will take time. Wouldn’t it make sense that this examination would take place in a secured location?

Aside from the psychological aspect of anyone working in that bakery & being around that oven where their coworker died. I cannot imagine them using that oven ever again.

I believe the store is closed until further notice.

No need to remove, possibly damage, the oven.

Everything is secured in the legal sense.

I would buy baked goods from there, it will all be thoroughly cleaned or replaced.

It was tragic but very unlikely to recur.

 

[LaborDayRN]

That's what I was assuming. Yes, they have to make sure the oven has all safety features functioning, but they all so have to make sure the place is clean for workers and the products they make for consumers.

jmo

Just sitting here thinking about the horrific tragedy. If I were a customer in the area, I don't think I could buy products that were cooked in this oven. I just couldn't do it. I hope they replace this oven with a new one. JMO YMMV

 

[sunspun]

I believe the store is closed until further notice.

No need to remove, possibly damage, the oven.

Everything is secured in the legal sense.

I would buy baked goods from there, it will all be thoroughly cleaned or replaced.

It was tragic but very unlikely to recur.

I disagree. I don't think there is any possibility they will continue to use that oven. It'll be replaced, imo.

 

[Dotta]

I remember reading about an accident with a worker frozen in a walk-in freezer.
Nobody noticed and helped this person.

Sometimes the stores cut the number of employees,
and the departments are under-staffed.

What about safety trainings for employees?

 

[Panniniclaus]

I remember reading about an accident with a worker frozen in a walk-in freezer.

Sometimes the stores cut the number of employees,
and there is only one worker in a department.

What about safety trainings for the staff?

The Department of Labour were in and did their bit. If it was an accident, if it was a result of something Walmart did, I feel we would know about it.

 

[JDG]

I disagree. I don't think there is any possibility they will continue to use that oven. It'll be replaced, imo.

Think I said ‘or replaced’, didn’t I?

To what are you disagreeing, may I ask?

 

[sunspun]

Think I said ‘or replaced’, didn’t I?

To what are you disagreeing, may I ask?

just to this part: "No need to remove, possibly damage, the oven."

 

[Lusitana]

I'm also having a really hard time trying to figure out how an accident would fit with what we know so far.

 

[Gemmie]

I’ve been desperately trying to think of an accident that would have ended this way but I’m stumped. No accident puts her in that oven. Maybe a prank - I dare you to get inside that oven type of thing. But then again, it makes no sense. MOO

Every time I think about this case I hope and pray it's not a hate crime. In my head I've pretty much ruled out an accident. JMO on that, nothing more. The only other thing I can think of which isn't one of the 2 I mentioned above is someone killed her for whatever their reason was. Did she spurn someone? Did they simply not get along? Was it to cover up another crime? Rape in the bathroom, perhaps? Did she or her family owe money to someone? Was it simply a thrill kill to see how it feels?

I'm musing possible scenarios over in my head as to what in the heck could have happened to this poor girl.

And I can't help but think it's an employee vs a shopper or non-employee.

All the above is JMO.

 

[sunspun]

Every time I think about this case I hope and pray it's not a hate crime. In my head I've pretty much ruled out an accident. JMO on that, nothing more. The only other thing I can think of which isn't one of the 2 I mentioned above is someone killed her for whatever their reason was. Did she spurn someone? Did they simply not get along? Was it to cover up another crime? Rape in the bathroom, perhaps? Did she or her family owe money to someone? Was it simply a thrill kill to see how it feels?

I'm musing possible scenarios over in my head as to what in the heck could have happened to this poor girl.

And I can't help but think it's an employee vs a shopper or non-employee.

All the above is JMO.

It's easier for me to think of reasons why someone may have killed her, than to figure out HOW they would have been able to manage to do that, WHILE in a busy Walmart that was currently open for business at the time.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

It's easier for me to think of reasons why someone may have killed her, than to figure out HOW they would have been able to manage to do that, WHILE in a busy Walmart that was currently open for business at the time.

That’s the flip side of not an accident- how the heck pull off foul play in a Walmart open for business?? I’m stumped! Moo

 

[Lexiintoronto]

We’ve seen her lovely photo and she’s not wearing a scarf, but maybe she did in public? In Toronto a woman died in a bakery factory because her scarf got caught in machinery.

In some of the models of Baxter ovens they show machinery inside at the top.

(Or her long hair got caught?) The 911 call said she was locked in, but we found out it didn’t lock. Maybe trapped somehow?