Canada - Gursimran Kaur, 19, Walmart worker found dead inside bakery oven - October 22, 2024

  • #181
I admit it’s sounding less and less like it was a pure accident.
 
  • #182
I admit it’s sounding less and less like it was a pure accident.
And if it was foul play, the person couldn't have been some guy walking through the store and out of the blue he decided to do something horrible. JMO
 
  • #183
Are they able to do an autopsy or does the charring prevent that?
 
  • #184
I'm sure they'd know if accelerant was used.
Yes but I don't know if they would share that with the public. I remember from another case that Canada is very close-lipped about investigations.
 
  • #185
Yes but I don't know if they would share that with the public. I remember from another case that Canada is very close-lipped about investigations.
Very true. I’m Canadian and LE play it close to the vest.
 
  • #186
  • #187
Walmart is also making the proper decision to stay closed until we know where this investigation is at.

I agree 100%. I just hope those employees are being compensated in some form, even if only EI, until it reopens.
 
  • #188
  • #189
Daily Mail article says "Kaur's mother was searching through the store for her when she made her way into the bakery section.
There, a colleague noted 'leakage' coming from the walk-in oven."

There'd be more than leakage coming out of the oven, IMO. There's be the smell of burned meat, which shouldn't be coming out of a bakery oven. Sure, the chicken roaster area, yes, but NOT from an oven that makes cookies, bread and cakes. So it surprised me that leakage was observed, but smell from far down the aisles wasn't.
 
  • #190
There'd be more than leakage coming out of the oven, IMO. There's be the smell of burned meat, which shouldn't be coming out of a bakery oven. Sure, the chicken roaster area, yes, but NOT from an oven that makes cookies, bread and cakes. So it surprised me that leakage was observed, but smell from far down the aisles wasn't.
Well that is gross, but very true.
 
  • #191
this just the weirdest case to me
oven opens from inside
oven not supposed to be operating on the weekend
victim not supposed to in or near oven
who in the store even knows how to operate the oven?
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was she some how incapacitated first, and then put in the oven?
 
  • #192
Are the father and brother here yet?
 
  • #193
Working again


The order, which covered the bakery area of the Mumford Road Walmart and “a piece of equipment,” ended Monday evening.

“The stop work order was lifted when compliance was confirmed, allowing bakery operations to safely resume should Walmart decide to do so,” the province’s Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration said in a statement Tuesday.
I for one would not buy any bakery items from this Walmart ever again.
 
  • #194
this just the weirdest case to me
oven opens from inside
oven not supposed to be operating on the weekend
victim not supposed to in or near oven
who in the store even knows how to operate the oven?
______________________________________________________
was she some how incapacitated first, and then put in the oven?

It seems possible, for sure !
Although if foul play, I'd expect there'd be an arrest by now.
Omo.
 
  • #195
If no one admits to seeing someone put her in there, they can’t arrest anyone.
 
  • #196
It seems possible, for sure !
Although if foul play, I'd expect there'd be an arrest by now.
Omo.
It was stated that the case was “complex” early on, so obviously there’s more to the story than we know, I was wondering if perhaps something bizarre like cameras or security footage had been tampered with or needing to have investigation buttoned up before tipping a perpetrator to the fact that they might be on to them or something- just don’t know- moo
 
  • #197
This case is incredibly disturbing to me!
I genuinely cannot imagine the trauma of all of the people in her life or all of the people who were in or working at that store.

I can’t help but think it was a person in a management position- someone who had access to Gursimran, the cameras, oven, and how to operate the oven.

I don’t think there’s ANY way to pull the oven door shut once you’re in, correct?

I think in this case someone was very clever and put her in there after murdering her to obfuscate any evidence of foul play :(
Jmo!
 
  • #198
@Dre ; After looking at all of the available pics online of the Walmart ovens, it'd be hard to imagine anyone entering of their own volition, as they don't even need to be cleaned from the inside as the settings are such that a 'self-clean' mode can be activated ?
I'm leaning towards foul play at this time.
Omo.
 
  • #199
If no one admits to seeing someone put her in there, they can’t arrest anyone.
A crime doesn't have to be witnessed, to be detected.
 
  • #200
This case is incredibly disturbing to me!
I genuinely cannot imagine the trauma of all of the people in her life or all of the people who were in or working at that store.

I can’t help but think it was a person in a management position- someone who had access to Gursimran, the cameras, oven, and how to operate the oven.

I don’t think there’s ANY way to pull the oven door shut once you’re in, correct?

I think in this case someone was very clever and put her in there after murdering her to obfuscate any evidence of foul play :(
Jmo!
But if it were someone else who put her in there, possibly after hurting or killing her, then that would mean that some person would have had to physically transport her to the bakery department and into the oven, all while the store was OPEN for business! With many customers and employees moving around everywhere all over the whole store at the same time!

Can't see how that would be possible.

Perhaps if the initial crime, if it happened, happened in the bakery department, so she at least wouldn't have had to be brought over from some other part of the store? Seems very unlikely IMO. But I could maybe see it if she and another person were both already in the bakery area, and someone shoved her into the oven, shut the door, and turned on oven, and then the person ran off. But all this while other employees must have been very nearby as well as customers right out front of the bakery who could have seen all this? And someone who doesn't belong in the employee part of the bakery would be easy to spot and report. Not to mention that I think the oven doors were supposedly openable from the inside?

But no other theory I can come up with makes any more sense, because nothing explains how she came to be inside, conscious or not, unable to exit, PLUS the oven being turned on at all. I assume the controls to turn the heat on in the oven are outside of the oven, right? Actually, I guess I don't know that, maybe they're on the inside, but I doubt it. But that's important; we need to know that. But how would it get turned on if they are on the outside, when no one had any reason to turn it on at all at that time (closing time on weekend)? Actually, it was way before closing time that she "disappeared", so we don't have any idea how long she was in there, neither with the oven on nor off. I mean she may have been in there for hours but the oven wasn't even on til much later. I don't know how long it would take for her to have the burns they said she did. Or she may have been somewhere else for those hours when no one knew where she was. But that would still mean someone would've had to get her over there and in the oven while store was open w/lots of people all over. Nope. And surely they know how long the oven was on for altogether. Wouldn't it have to be turned on hot with her inside for quite awhile for her to die in there? And I would imagine it's pretty obvious from the outside that the oven is on. I'd expect it to produce enough heat that people in the bakery department can tell it's on, and probably hear it too. And they said there was no reason for it to be on at all at that time, and bakery employees would know this. But does that mean they never use the oven for many hours before closing time on Saturday or whatever day it was? I guess that's possible.

Nothing so far explains this, imo.

Yet. Terrible, sad tragedy.
 

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