Canada - Gursimran Kaur, 19, Walmart worker found dead inside bakery oven - October 22, 2024

[annpats]

Was her mom and daughter working the same shift that night ? Didn't the mom try calling her on her phone ? Since her mom found her, I wonder why the daughter did not call her mom from the oven earlier to save her, before it got too hot. Perhaps she did slip and fall otherwise she would have. Just speculation

Some employers don't allow phones on the shop floor. They have to be in their lockers in the break room.

 

[Inthedetails]

And what were the chances that happened in the oven?

And then who turned the oven on?
Without putting anything in to bake?

I thought came to me this morning (while putting a pie in the oven). It was chilly in our home this morning and standing in front of the open oven door felt good. What if Gursimran was chilly at work, turned on the oven, and went inside to get warm...on the sly, thinking she wouldn't be noticed since nobody was working with the oven that shift. Then she found out she couldn't get out??

Far-fetched, perhaps, but it does place her in the oven without foul play or self-harm intentions.

jmopinion

 

[shetalksinstereo]

Some employers don't allow phones on the shop floor. They have to be in their lockers in the break room.

But if her mom worked there, she would know the policy.

 

[Dpdan]

I thought came to me this morning (while putting a pie in the oven). It was chilly in our home this morning and standing in front of the open oven door felt good. What if Gursimran was chilly at work, turned on the oven, and went inside to get warm...on the sly, thinking she wouldn't be noticed since nobody was working with the oven that shift. Then she found out she couldn't get out??

Far-fetched, perhaps, but it does place her in the oven without foul play or self-harm intentions.

jmopinion

Good thought. I wonder if she usually worked in the freezer section and got really cold.

 

[thref23]

Not Sikhism, but India in general.

Self-Immolation in India

Suicide by self-immolation is a common method of suicide among young, married women in India. The associated socio-cultural beliefs and unique historical context make self-immolation an important public health concern. The practice of Sati and Jauhar were prevalent...

link.springer.com

If anyone wants a related rabbit hole to go down, I actually came across this thesis specifically regarding the subject of "first generation Canadian Punjabi Sikh parents’ beliefs about suicide and suicide-related behaviours."

Independent of suicide, I understand cremation to have importance in Sikh, Hindu, and related Indian cultures. It is believed to facilitate reincarnation and can be associated with purification. In this case, I imagine that the oven could have been used in a misguided attempt at cremation more so than a means of death.

 

[Charlot123]

If anyone wants a related rabbit hole to go down, I actually came across this thesis specifically regarding the subject of "first generation Canadian Punjabi Sikh parents’ beliefs about suicide and suicide-related behaviours."

Independent of suicide, I understand cremation to have importance in Sikh, Hindu, and related Indian cultures. It is believed to facilitate reincarnation and can be associated with purification. In this case, I imagine that the oven could have been used in a misguided attempt at cremation more so than a means of death.

Only...self-immolation is an uncommon, but possible way of suicide among non-Indians, too. Aside from "political protesters" (a separate group), most self-immolators are usually young and without prior diagnosed mental illness.

I have a feeling about why it happens in Indian immigrants as i once came across it, as part of a huge group. I heard snippets of the preceeding story. JMO: it will be happening less as time goes by. It is more common in second-generation immigrants, and self-immolation is not driven by old traditions, such as cremation. I suspect that self-immolators are not religious, although their parents might be on a more conservative side. The split between the old and the new traditions is the most mundane, think of a typical stressor for any teenager. Perhaps what is hard to process for all of us when we are young is more difficult for the immigrants. Besides depression, there is significant anger with the situation.

But of course, it is when intentional, and what happened here, we don't know. Feeling horribly sorry for the poor mother. Just want to say, if it was intentional, there is no way the mom could have foreseen it. I am not saying it to comfort. For some reason, there is nothing in prior behavior that would point at such an act.

 

[Laura456]

As a first generation immigrant, I can agree that it can be so tough as a young woman in America (and I assume it's similar in Canada).You want to have fun, be carefree like your peers, but family duty still exists from the old country, so you end up getting the worst of both worlds sometimes.

 

[Charlot123]

I found an article in Hindi. Easy to translate with Google T. One thing that is new: according to police the size of the oven is so huge that it practically can't be closed from the outside.

कौन थी गुरसिमरन कौर, कनाडा के वॉलमार्ट ओवन में पाई गई थी मृत

भारतीय मूल की एक लड़की की कनाडा में बॉडी मिलने का मामला उलझ गया है। अभी कनाडा पुलिस मौत की वजह का खुलासा नहीं कर पाई है। लड़की की लाश एक ओवन में मिली थी। लड़की 3 साल पहले अपनी मां के साथ कनाडा गई थी।, दुनिया News, Times Now Navbharat

www.timesnowhindi.com

 

[Judy Sleuth]

I found an article in Hindi. Easy to translate with Google T. One thing that is new: according to police the size of the oven is so huge that it practically can't be closed from the outside.

कौन थी गुरसिमरन कौर, कनाडा के वॉलमार्ट ओवन में पाई गई थी मृत

भारतीय मूल की एक लड़की की कनाडा में बॉडी मिलने का मामला उलझ गया है। अभी कनाडा पुलिस मौत की वजह का खुलासा नहीं कर पाई है। लड़की की लाश एक ओवन में मिली थी। लड़की 3 साल पहले अपनी मां के साथ कनाडा गई थी।, दुनिया News, Times Now Navbharat

www.timesnowhindi.com

I wonder if that's a translation error. Definitely, Google Translate gives this statement: "How did Gursimran go inside the oven, how did she die a painful death? The police have to find answers to all the questions. According to the information, the size of the oven is so big that it cannot be closed from outside. " And later, "The walk-in oven, a must for large-scale bakeries, is designed to dry, cook or cure products in batches on wheeled racks. "

But how commercially useful is a walk-in oven that CANNOT be closed from the outside? Unless I'm missing something, I suspect the translation should have said it can "only" be closed from the outside, rather than "cannot."

Does anyone here read Hindi, who can tell us whether Google Translate got this right or not?

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if that's a translation error. Definitely, Google Translate gives this statement: "How did Gursimran go inside the oven, how did she die a painful death? The police have to find answers to all the questions. According to the information, the size of the oven is so big that it cannot be closed from outside. " And later, "The walk-in oven, a must for large-scale bakeries, is designed to dry, cook or cure products in batches on wheeled racks. "

But how commercially useful is a walk-in oven that CANNOT be closed from the outside? Unless I'm missing something, I suspect the translation should have said it can "only" be closed from the outside, rather than "cannot."

Does anyone here read Hindi, who can tell us whether Google Translate got this right or not?

Well, I am currently in the most Hindi-speaking city in the world, lol. i can ask the locals. I agree with what you say, though.

 

[Charlot123]

I wonder if that's a translation error. Definitely, Google Translate gives this statement: "How did Gursimran go inside the oven, how did she die a painful death? The police have to find answers to all the questions. According to the information, the size of the oven is so big that it cannot be closed from outside. " And later, "The walk-in oven, a must for large-scale bakeries, is designed to dry, cook or cure products in batches on wheeled racks. "

But how commercially useful is a walk-in oven that CANNOT be closed from the outside? Unless I'm missing something, I suspect the translation should have said it can "only" be closed from the outside, rather than "cannot."

Does anyone here read Hindi, who can tell us whether Google Translate got this right or not?

So I asked the locals to explain. The translation is correct: the door is too big and heavy to close from the outside. At the same time, I agree with you that it makes no sense in terms of how these ovens are used.

I wonder if the oven is electrically operated, with some safety feature from the inside to prevent accidents?

i hope CCOHS, Canadian OSHA, looks into this situation very deeply. We don’t know what has happened to Gursimran, but the sole fact that it can happen is scary.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

This makes no sense to me. If the door is too huge to close from the outside, how does anyone bake anything in it? With the door wide open?

 

[Gemmie]

So I asked the locals to explain. The translation is correct: the door is too big and heavy to close from the outside. At the same time, I agree with you that it makes no sense in terms of how these ovens are used.

I wonder if the oven is electrically operated, with some safety feature from the inside to prevent accidents?

i hope CCOHS, Canadian OSHA, looks into this situation very deeply. We don’t know what has happened to Gursimran, but the sole fact that it can happen is scary.

It makes absolutely NO sense for a walk-in oven to be unable to be closed from the outside. If it can't be closed from the outside just how in the world is it supposed to be closed?

If the translation is correct as you've said, then whoever wrote the article has to be wrong. Or, they have a typo. Or, it's written in AI (I'm seeing that way too often now) and AI has it wrong. It has to be one of these latter 3 reasons because it can't be the first one IMO.

 

[Charlot123]

This makes no sense to me. If the door is too huge to close from the outside, how does anyone bake anything in it? With the door wide open?

Having read and watched reels, it would seem that the door is heavy and can’t “accidentally” close or self-close. One has to apply force to close it, and sometimes yet extra force after this. Maybe this is what everyone means.

It makes absolutely NO sense for a walk-in oven to be unable to be closed from the outside. If it can't be closed from the outside just how in the world is it supposed to be closed?

If the translation is correct as you've said, then whoever wrote the article has to be wrong. Or, they have a typo. Or, it's written in AI (I'm seeing that way too often now) and AI has it wrong. It has to be one of these latter 3 reasons because it can't be the first one IMO.

AI, or, different grammar. “To close, to be closed, to self-close” may have one, or different words in different languages.

Most Walmart workers commented on the impossibility of closing the door from the inside. My personal opinion: the police ruled out a criminal case. I believe them. Maybe, renovation causing negligence with installation of the ovens (OSHA’s job now) or renovation + oven not working well + either accident due to the girl being sick, or maybe she, a teenager, did have a bad day. Anyhow, it comes to human carelessness and negligence, but not malice. RIP, and sincerest compassion to Ms. Kaur’s mom and family.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

So, if the door cannot be accidentally closed, we’re then looking at a deliberate event. No?

 

[Inthedetails]

So I asked the locals to explain. The translation is correct: the door is too big and heavy to close from the outside. At the same time, I agree with you that it makes no sense in terms of how these ovens are used.

I wonder if the oven is electrically operated, with some safety feature from the inside to prevent accidents?

i hope CCOHS, Canadian OSHA, looks into this situation very deeply. We don’t know what has happened to Gursimran, but the sole fact that it can happen is scary.

Seems like the translation is correct but the original reporting is incorrect.

There is no way the oven door can't be closed from the outside

jmo

 

[Laura456]

In any case, I can't see this being deliberate self immolation. There are much more pleasant ways to go if one isn't trying to make a political statement, which she wasn't.

I wouldn't automatically take the police at their word though, they're humans and are prone to errors like all of us.

 

[annpats]

In any case, I can't see this being deliberate self immolation. There are much more pleasant ways to go if one isn't trying to make a political statement, which she wasn't.

I wouldn't automatically take the police at their word though, they're humans and are prone to errors like all of us.

I can't even see this being accidental immolation.

She started the oven from the outside, then walked in and shut the doors? And couldn't get out?!

I don't believe ovens work like that in today's safety awareness environment.

But the oven wasn't even supposed to be used at the weekend, so that's odd for a start.

Do we know if she even worked in the bakery department?

Obviously CCTV from the store didn't reveal anything criminal or another person involved, which surprises me.

MOO.

 

[caradana]

If I could gently share that in many years here in WS I have seen understandable struggle with cases where LE has not determined foul play, and where the cause of death is immolation. It is particularly hard for good people to rationally accept self-immolation. In this particular case, where to my knowledge that specific finding was not released publicly by LE - I am glad that this was a venue with many cameras to assist LE, and that the family’s privacy has been respected, as I cannot imagine the pain (as a mother of daughters myself). I hope all who were close to this case are getting excellent care and therapy if they wish. I know I would need it.

 

[al66pine]

dbm