Canada - Gursimran Kaur, 19, Walmart worker found dead inside bakery oven - October 22, 2024

[Dotta]

posted before I was ready. Hate that!

You can provide summary!!!!!
How's that??

 

[Gemmie]

Behind a Paywall

"A grieving mother has spoken for the first time about finding her 19-year-old daughter inside an oven."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032526661409738982

A couple of things from your article that make no sense to me. It sounds like her mother assumed ashes and "black tar" leaking out the back of the oven were automatically her daughter, just because she had been missing? That would be the last thing I'd think. My mind would be going to any other possibilities, like dough on the floor.

And what really makes no sense to me is that LE came to the conclusion that nothing suspicious happened, there was no foul play. I just CAN'T imagine anyone would come up with that way to die by suicide. I mean, c'mon. There are much quicker and less painful ways. Due to that I call foul.

1) The mother said she opened the door to the oven and she was there. And then said that her body wasn't there. She couldn't see her.

2) Then she said... I was there on the floor with her for 5 or 10 minutes.
- If the oven reached ~400°, I would think the floor would be too hot for what sounds like her laying there next to the... whatever it was she couldn't see. Ash? If that's the case and she really laid there next to her on the floor, and it wasn't too hot to do so... it's just hard to imagine that she was burned to ashes, and then the oven cooled down enough over how much time? Not long enough in my guesstimate.

 

[Gemmie]

You can provide summary!!!!!
How's that??

Patience, Grasshopper... I had to finish my post. Sometimes sites (here and email) will post when I try to paste something, for instance.

 

[Panniniclaus]

A couple of things from your article that make no sense to me. It sounds like she assumed ashes and "black tar" leaking out the back of the oven were automatically her daughter, just because she had been missing? That would be the last thing I'd think. My mind would be going to any other possibilities, like dough on the floor.

And what really makes no sense to me is that LE came to the conclusion that nothing suspicious happened, there was no foul play. I just CAN'T imagine anyone would come up with that way to die by suicide. I mean, c'mon. There are much quicker and less painful ways. Due to that I call foul.

1) The mother said she opened the door to the oven and she was there. And then said that her body wasn't there. She couldn't see her.

2) Then she said... I was there on the floor with her for 5 or 10 minutes.
- If the oven reached ~400°, I would think the floor would be too hot for what sounds like her laying there next to the... whatever it was she couldn't see. Ash? If that's the case and she really laid there next to her on the floor, and it wasn't too hot to do so... it's just hard to imagine that she was burned to ashes, and then the oven cooled down enough over how much time? Not long enough in my guesstimate.

Nothing ever has, nor will ever make sense here, other than the fact there were no safety violations. So I think family and the RCMP know things, or at the very least have strong suspicions, but are not pursuing it.

The things you outline above are in line with the thoughts many close to this have... way more than meets the eye.

 

[you betcha]

This case haunts me and nothing about it makes sense.

 

[Luna20]

A couple of things from your article that make no sense to me. It sounds like her mother assumed ashes and "black tar" leaking out the back of the oven were automatically her daughter, just because she had been missing? That would be the last thing I'd think. My mind would be going to any other possibilities, like dough on the floor.

And what really makes no sense to me is that LE came to the conclusion that nothing suspicious happened, there was no foul play. I just CAN'T imagine anyone would come up with that way to die by suicide. I mean, c'mon. There are much quicker and less painful ways. Due to that I call foul.

1) The mother said she opened the door to the oven and she was there. And then said that her body wasn't there. She couldn't see her.

2) Then she said... I was there on the floor with her for 5 or 10 minutes.
- If the oven reached ~400°, I would think the floor would be too hot for what sounds like her laying there next to the... whatever it was she couldn't see. Ash? If that's the case and she really laid there next to her on the floor, and it wasn't too hot to do so... it's just hard to imagine that she was burned to ashes, and then the oven cooled down enough over how much time? Not long enough in my guesstimate.

Agree, none of that makes sense. I still can’t get passed her mother going to the oven to see if she was there. An oven wouldn’t even come to mind if I was looking for my daughter.

Maybe she told her mother that she had suicidal thoughts and had visions of burning in a fire? Was her father or brother abusive and told her that they wanted to burn her alive? Was it a ritual type of thing? It’s just really strange and I wish we knew what really happened.

 

[annpats]

Usually safety warnings are posted in English and Spanish.

In the US, yes.

In English and French for Canada.

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

Behind a Paywall

"A grieving mother has spoken for the first time about finding her 19-year-old daughter inside an oven."

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032526661409738982

The Post has it... Mom of teen who baked to death in Walmart oven describes sick scene: ‘I opened the door and she was there’

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

It sounds like an accident to me. How, I have no idea, I don't know why anyone would walk in there while it's on. Even if she were suicidal, I wouldn't buy that this is the way she would do it - her survival instinct would have her out the door in seconds. Nobody could endure that. There was also no indication from anyone that the door was ever blocked.

 

[Gemmie]

It sounds like an accident to me. How, I have no idea, I don't know why anyone would walk in there while it's on. Even if she were suicidal, I wouldn't buy that this is the way she would do it - her survival instinct would have her out the door in seconds. Nobody could endure that. There was also no indication from anyone that the door was ever blocked.

Have you considered the fact it wasn't an accident, and she was placed in there (so not walking in on her own).

If she was placed in there, and there was no need to lock or block the door, perhaps that could be because she either wasn't incapacitated (knocked out) or already dead. That's where I'm leaning. And yes, that's a 180 from where LE is on this case.

 

[Simply Caustic]

In the new Daily Mail article, several quotes (in italics) are very telling IMO.

“Last month, Nova Scotia's Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration found there had been no workplace safety violations in relation to Gursimran's death. The oven, which has since been replaced with a new one, was found to be in good working order and the Department of Labour cleared Walmart of any wrongdoing.”

“Director of Communications for the Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration told the Daily Mail Thursday that the oven where Gursimran died 'could be opened from inside.'

“No evidence was found that violations of occupational health and safety laws contributed to the death.’ Gursimran's death was initially investigated as a possible homicide by Halifax Police. They quickly ruled out any suggestion of foul play and concluded the death was 'not suspicious.'“​

Multiple agencies investigated, including Halifax Police who initially investigated as a possible homicide; all agree that there was no foul play . The oven was able to be opened from inside and was not malfunctioning. Walmart was not liable for any safety violations. Walmart has cameras on every square inch of the place (imo) and those recordings were doubtlessly included in these investigations, imo. The facts speak for themselves, and are highly suggestive of an intentional entry to the oven imo.

“Those findings have raised questions about whether Gursimran may have chosen to take her own life - a suggestion her mother refutes.
‘Does she look depressed? She was so happy?’ Kaur said.
‘They couldn’t find any solid thing. They don’t know. They don’t have any proof. No solid results. We are not satisfied.’”

I respectfully suggest that her mother saying “they don’t have any proof” suggests that the unsaid remainder of that sentence would read ‘that it was suicide.’ In my opinion. Given that she then continues to say “we are not satisfied” this finding is not compatible with what she believes occurred. This is a horrific tragedy for their family and I can fully understand why she would be unwilling to accept the, imo, obviously clear but unstated conclusion.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

It sounds like an accident to me. How, I have no idea, I don't know why anyone would walk in there while it's on. Even if she were suicidal, I wouldn't buy that this is the way she would do it - her survival instinct would have her out the door in seconds. Nobody could endure that. There was also no indication from anyone that the door was ever blocked.

Anecdotally, I’ve heard that some workers would go into the ovens to warm up, or clean it while warm.

The ovens have timers. So, if she turned it on somehow and suffered a medical event, I think it’s possible it was an accident. I’m not sure if the oven would be oxygen deficient when on.

Self-harm is possible, imo, although the point you made about survival instinct overriding that intent is a good one.

The only unknown factor is if she was quietly suffering from a mental health issue that would interfere with that instinct.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

In the new Daily Mail article, several quotes (in italics) are very telling IMO.

“Last month, Nova Scotia's Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration found there had been no workplace safety violations in relation to Gursimran's death. The oven, which has since been replaced with a new one, was found to be in good working order and the Department of Labour cleared Walmart of any wrongdoing.”

“Director of Communications for the Department of Labour, Skills and Immigration told the Daily Mail Thursday that the oven where Gursimran died 'could be opened from inside.'

“No evidence was found that violations of occupational health and safety laws contributed to the death.’ Gursimran's death was initially investigated as a possible homicide by Halifax Police. They quickly ruled out any suggestion of foul play and concluded the death was 'not suspicious.'“​

Multiple agencies investigated, including Halifax Police who initially investigated as a possible homicide; all agree that there was no foul play . The oven was able to be opened from inside and was not malfunctioning. Walmart was not liable for any safety violations. Walmart has cameras on every square inch of the place (imo) and those recordings were doubtlessly included in these investigations, imo. The facts speak for themselves, and are highly suggestive of an intentional entry to the oven imo.

“Those findings have raised questions about whether Gursimran may have chosen to take her own life - a suggestion her mother refutes.
‘Does she look depressed? She was so happy?’ Kaur said.
‘They couldn’t find any solid thing. They don’t know. They don’t have any proof. No solid results. We are not satisfied.’”

I respectfully suggest that her mother saying “they don’t have any proof” suggests that the unsaid remainder of that sentence would read ‘that it was suicide.’ In my opinion. Given that she then continues to say “we are not satisfied” this finding is not compatible with what she believes occurred. This is a horrific tragedy for their family and I can fully understand why she would be unwilling to accept the, imo, obviously clear but unstated conclusion.

My friend took her own life many years ago. And it was nearly impossible to accept that she would do that, especially for her parents. So, I understand her.

My friend also appeared peaceful and happy prior to her death. It was explained to us that it was not unusual. Suicide may have looked like the solution to what battles she was struggling with. I don’t think she knew exactly when she would do it, but having the plan freed her and lifted her spirits, despite that seeming counterintuitive.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

her survival instinct would have her out the door in seconds. Nobody could endure that

While I think self harm is not impossible, this does need to be explained.

Wouldn't the only possibilities be that either she did not know how to get out, she did know but the door failed to open, she incapacitated herself somehow (was toxicology able to be properly done, or was it no longer possible?), or she was incapacitated for a different reason (medical or otherwise).

This needs to be explained for her family. No one would be able to fully accept this outcome for their loved-one, unless this was explained.
My opinions only.