Found Deceased Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #1 *Arrest*

[Jester980]

The article also claims they do not suspect anyone close to her being involved, but we've heard that before

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I had to retype the portions of the letter that I thought I could add my opinion as to the meaning, so please excuse any errors.

First three paragraphs are pretty standard, non-remarkable sentences, as is the last one. Here are the portions that I find relevant:



The Missing Persons Unit is understaffed and swamped. They usually handle cases that are non-suspicious and fairly routine. When a case is handed over to Major Crimes, it is usually because it is more complex and there is evidence that it is criminal in nature. They have more resources and manpower to devote to cases that suggest foul play is involved. They do not handle the one's where Grandma got lost coming home from the Alzheimer clinic. IMHO, I suspect that they have solid evidence that foul play is involved and the people responsible have criminal records.



They have done the leg-work on her background and feel that it is uncharacteristic of her to voluntarily take off. They have also interviewed the usual suspects like family, ex boyfriend's, the roommate and other people that are classic for these types of cases. They have also developed a working theory on why she is missing and who is responsible.



IMHO, they are saying - We know who you are, we know you have lied to us, and we are going to catch you. We also know that there are people that know facts about this case that are not directly involved, that are not being truthful or coming forward. There are also people that are worried that they will be unfairly charged, and we assure you that we will keep an open mind and support you.
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Of course, that is just what *I* think they are saying. Police Officer's have a language all their own, and being around it my whole life helps with the translation. However, they are also a crafty bunch that sometimes use deception and double-talk to trap a suspect, so if that is the case, it would be next to impossible to try and discern what they are actually saying without knowing their plan.

Aaaaaand... who wrote the letter? Was it handed back to Missing Persons?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What do you make of that statement?


"One of the possibilities is that she’s deceased,” Hebert said. “The other one is that she has decided to move on with her life and completely drop out of sight.”

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-ramp-up-search-for-missing-calgary-woman

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

How would that play in court if LE went publicly fishing for information, and threatening witnesses to come forward? That would make for an interesting defence. How could you rely on any of the tips?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

To me, this seems like a very heavy handed bluff to get her to come out of hiding, or for someone to give her up. They don't "officially" know she left on her own, so they have to make contact to be 100% sure. This seems like an odd and risky maneuver if they expect to go to court and make murder charges stick.

I have yet to see any signs she actually wanted 50/50 custody. Look at how the roommate stumbles over it in the video interview... she would never miss a visitation, but uh yeah they talked about the 50/50.

It was the reporter that chose the word "abductors"...

Why don't we see a letter like this in other cases... like Shannon Burgess...

 

[debsy99]

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-ramp-up-search-for-missing-calgary-woman

Interesting that they say an ex-boyfriend dropped her off outside but she never went in. Doesn't sound like she was really dropped off. Also interesting that KC has gone quiet the last couple weeks when he was so vocal on the reports and the missing persons page.

 

[debsy99]

To me, this seems like a very heavy handed bluff to get her to come out of hiding, or for someone to give her up. They don't "officially" know she left on her own, so they have to make contact to be 100% sure. This seems like an odd and risky maneuver if they expect to go to court and make murder charges stick.

I have yet to see any signs she actually wanted 50/50 custody. Look at how the roommate stumbles over it in the video interview... she would never miss a visitation, but uh yeah they talked about the 50/50.

It was the reporter that chose the word "abductors"...

Why don't we see a letter like this in other cases... like Shannon Burgess...

I think it seems to depend on how public the case is. The case is very public unlike Shannon Burgess that just kind of disappeared into the background. Maybe a lot of publicity can help propel a case forward.

 

[LoisLane]

I find the fact that the Sun article claims she was last seen being dropped off at home as opposed to at work rather interesting. Seems to go against everything we've heard so far. New info from someone?

It is interesting. Why hasn't CPS issued a revised Missing Persons report to reflect this significant detail? The report should now list her street and the time she was last seen. Is this confirmed or what is the deal here?

So if it has been confirmed that JN was dropped at her home is that verified by the roommate (MH)? Did MH change his story and is now saying he saw her at home around 9:30 that evening? Was he out when she came home and by the time he returned she was gone again? Did she make it into the house? Why didn't she take her phone when she left again? Who drove her home? Was it one of the ex-boyfriends? Maybe she did take a cab.

I keep thinking that whoever else knew about court the following day saw it as the perfect opportunity to make her disappear because all suspicion would be on KCR.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What do you make of that statement?


"One of the possibilities is that she’s deceased,” Hebert said. “The other one is that she has decided to move on with her life and completely drop out of sight.”

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-ramp-up-search-for-missing-calgary-woman

How tacky of you to reply to yourself, but after reading that statement again, it struck me odd that they make this public chest thump, and then qualify it by saying she may have dropped out of sight... which in itself, is an interesting choice of words.

Doesn't that kind of take the steam out of the whole "letter ploy"? Are they qualifying because they don't want to look like complete buffoons if she steps forward suddenly?

 

[LoisLane]

What do you make of that statement?


"One of the possibilities is that she’s deceased,” Hebert said. “The other one is that she has decided to move on with her life and completely drop out of sight.”

http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-ramp-up-search-for-missing-calgary-woman

It sounds like one extreem to the next and considering the strong message sent out by LE yesterday it all seems like a whole bunch of nothing.

 

[LoisLane]

I wish we knew when AP found JN's wallet.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It is interesting. Why hasn't CPS issued a revised Missing Persons report to reflect this significant detail? The report should now list her street and the time she was last seen. Is this confirmed or what is the deal here?

So if it has been confirmed that JN was dropped at her home is that verified by the roommate (MH)? Did MH change his story and is now saying he saw her at home around 9:30 that evening? Was he out when she came home and by the time he returned she was gone again? Did she make it into the house? Why didn't she take her phone when she left again? Who drove her home? Was it one of the ex-boyfriends? Maybe she did take a cab.

I keep thinking that whoever else knew about court the following day saw it as the perfect opportunity to make her disappear because all suspicion would be on KCR.

It said she didn't go inside, so if there is foul play involved, then it does expose who the last person to see her was.

The incident that allegedly took place a month prior, which allegedly involved a fight, and a knife... could have been evidence that she was indeed threatened. Perhaps if AP heard what the fight was about... custody issues... ?... and relayed that to LE... then perhaps the letter is an attempt at adding pressure.

However, if they had that sort of information, why make it public? They are almost pointing fingers... again... risky for court.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I wish we knew when AP found JN's wallet.

My interpretation of what I read was that the ID was part of the incident allegedly witnessed a month prior... perhaps how they met...

 

[stan laurel]

My interpretation of what I read was that the ID was part of the incident allegedly witnessed a month prior... perhaps how they met...

there is a Poirier that lives several blocks from her place of work and the #1 bus route runs the length of the city east west (very long route and connector route), so there's a chance that it was found near a bus stop for AP (if he doesn't drive)

 

[LoisLane]

My interpretation of what I read was that the ID was part of the incident allegedly witnessed a month prior... perhaps how they met...

I will have to check again but I thought the incident with the wallet was described as happening "a month ago" (from the time of the AP request for info.) and not "a month prior" (to her disappearance).

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I will have to check again but I thought the incident with the wallet was described as happening "a month ago" (from the time of the AP request for info.) and not "a month prior" (to her disappearance).

Her Mother said AP was "wanted" for questioning regarding an incident a month prior to the disappearance. AP's friend hinted that the incident was a fight interrupted, and a threat with a knife. AP claimed he gave her ID back to police.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Has the writer of the letter been officially identified? The signature is oddly large, an illegible mix of writing, printing and scribble (purposefully?), and not left justified.

It starts with the usual formalities, and ends with none. The strange switch from a letter to her, to a letter for everyone seems very un-LE-like.

 

[deugirtni]

I noticed just a couple of days ago in reading an MSM article (see quote and link below), it mentioned that JRN had been seen in Forest Lawn at an undisclosed location. They were keeping that private up to that point.. now they have decided to release the location to the public.

Wasn't it said that the roomie drove JRN to work that day? I'm thinking it would have been likely for him to have also picked her up, if he had been available/at home. Instead, now it is the recent ex that is identified as who drove her home that night, and also who she was last seen by. So that would indicate that by whatever time the roomie got home, he didn't see her. (ETA: I wonder if roomie works shifts?)

We've been told that JRN took this afternoon/evening shift on that day, JUST so she could attend court the following morning. Presumably therefore, she wouldn't have been likely to go out partying (or wherever) once she had been dropped off at home.

BBM

Date written: April 9, 2015

On the evening of Tuesday, March 10, Jessica Newman was seen at an undisclosed location in Forest Lawn. She has not been heard from since.
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-release-photo-of-possible-witness-in-connection-to-jessica-newman-s-disappearance-1.2319514

Date police finally spoke to AP: April 14, 2015

Date written: April 17, 2015

Jessica Rae Newman, a 24-year-old mother of three, was last seen when an ex-boyfriend dropped her off at her Forest Lawn home at about 9:30 p.m. March 10. She later vanished and did not appear in court the next day for a child custody hearing over her two-year-old.
http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-ramp-up-search-for-missing-calgary-woman

Does anyone recall what the roomie's statement was in regard to her missing, and when he last saw her? Do we know who it was that reported her missing to police?

There must (obviously) be a reason why in the beginning her last seen location and the person who last saw her, were being held close to LE's chest, and now they are announcing it publicly. I believe it is to put definite pressure on someone, but perhaps from two angles, not only to perhaps the person itself, but also through others. For example, there may be many others who were told that the person didn't see her, didn't drive her home... but now if it is public, they're going to be really wondering what's going on.. pressure pressure, not only are police pressuring, but also all of his family/friends who may have previously been told by him that he didn't see her?

 

[LoisLane]

Has the writer of the letter been officially identified? The signature is oddly large, an illegible mix of writing, printing and scribble (purposefully?), and not left justified.

It starts with the usual formalities, and ends with none. The strange switch from a letter to her, to a letter for everyone seems very un-LE-like.

The Metro wrote:
""In a letter sent to 24-year-old’s mother Rhonda Stewart from the Det. Dave Sweet on Thursday, it explained detectives from the major crimes unit “have gathered a great deal of information,” about Jessica, her life and possible reasons for her disappearance.""
http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/13...nvestigating-disappearance-of-jessica-newman/

The signature doesn't look to have a crossed 'T' but it is pretty scratchy.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm wondering if the letter started out initially being a note to the mom, to 'please share *this* info'... and perhaps he was also telling her that he was going to send it to her, officially.. and perhaps she may have asked if it would be ok to post it on the 'Missing' page.. and so he could have decided to kind of utilize that opportunity to speak directly to *someone* (or someones) who might be known to follow that page. MOO

Has the writer of the letter been officially identified? The signature is oddly large, an illegible mix of writing, printing and scribble (purposefully?), and not left justified.

It starts with the usual formalities, and ends with none. The strange switch from a letter to her, to a letter for everyone seems very un-LE-like.