CANADA Canada - Kam McLeod, 19, & Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, last seen Sask, mid July 2019 *Armed & Dangerous*

[Gina20]

And getting supplies (food and gas) takes money. Where the heck are they getting money?

From their savings. You know, the Walmart jobs for five weeks.

 

[LadyL]

Yep! Only way to buy 4 L/1 gallon of milk in Ontario and points east. We have 1 and 2 L cartons too.

I'm in Ontario
there is no bagged milk here
not for a long while

 

[Zella]

Former FBI profiler, John Douglas has written extensively about spree killers.

Here’s a solid quote that differentiates these guys from the other types.

“A serial killer expects to get away with it, a mass murderer doesn’t, and a spree killer probably hasn’t thought that far ahead.”

That's a good quote.

 

[Tealgrove]

I think they do have an end game. We just don’t know it yet.

I have 2 different scenarios right now.

Only time will tell.

MOO

 

[Zella]

My thoughts on where they got money is perhaps they've been stealing things for awhile, in addition to while they're on the run. Also a good point they may be using cards or cash taken from their victims. In fact, I could see that being a strong enough reason for them to be named suspects, even if they can't be placed at the scene forensically yet.

 

[Gardenista]

If the unidentified victim had a credit card they could potentially be using that too and it would be harder to trace since he's unidentified

Great point. Would be a lucky break for them.

 

[Gina20]

I had that same thought when a fellow poster just made me realize gas bar is a Canadian term. Who knew?

gas bar - Wiktionary

The gas bar down the street calls itself and all the others in its chain gas bars. Yes. It's real. I didn't know it wasn't.

 

[JuneBug67]

I'm in Ontario
there is no bagged milk here
not for a long while

That amazes me. I’m in Ontario as well, and it’s always been a thing in my city, and I know it’s a Toronto thing as well. We live in a big country!

 

[MassGuy]

That's a good quote.

It makes a lot of sense.

A serial killer does it for pleasure (generally), and wants to live to fight another day.

A mass murderer has a grievance, and expects to die, or will just give up after he’s done.

A spree killer is close to a mass murderer, but there’s a lot going on inside his head. With two of them, that’s an odd dynamic.

One would have probably killed on his own, and the other never would have done it if not for the influence of his friend.

What should happen at some point, is these two returning to an area where they are familiar.

 

[Gina20]

My thoughts on where they got money is perhaps they've been stealing things for awhile, in addition to while they're on the run. Also a good point they may be using cards or cash taken from their victims. In fact, I could see that being a strong enough reason for them to be named suspects, even if they can't be placed at the scene forensically yet.

One woman said that Bryer's card didn't work when he went to the deli for butter chicken. Perhaps it wasn't his card.

 

[zecats]

Great point. Would be a lucky break for them.

Although the victim at Dease Lake may only be unknown to the public. Maybe LE knows who he is by now. And if they do, they can track the use of any CC which would be a positive. MOO

 

[midwinter]

That amazes me. I’m in Ontario as well, and it’s always been a thing in my city, and I know it’s a Toronto thing as well. We live in a big country!

Never seen bagged milk here in MB, but I've seen it in T.O. and Ottawa

 

[JuneBug67]

Although the victim at Dease Lake may only be unknown to the public. Maybe LE knows who he is by now. And if they do, they can track the use of any CC which would be a positive. MOO

I’ve gotten the sense that we, the public, are a day behind them, but the police are much closer than that.

 

[LadyL]

It makes a lot of sense.

A serial killer does it for pleasure (generally), and wants to live to fight another day.

A mass murderer has a grievance, and expects to die, or will just give up after he’s done.

A spree killer is close to a mass murderer, but there’s a lot going on inside his head. With two of them, that’s an odd dynamic.

One would have probably killed on his own, and the other never would have done it if not for the influence of his friend.

What should happen at some point, is these two returning to an area where they are familiar.

fascinating
I expect the RCMP have specialists who know all this and are profiling these two

 

[MassGuy]

fascinating
I expect the RCMP have specialists who know all this and are profiling these two

Oh I’m sure.

There’s no shortage of behavioral profiles here, because this isn’t at all unprecedented.

 

[Zella]

With two of them, that’s an odd dynamic.

Yes, it is. It's one that has interested me a lot over the years.

I'm curious which one of these 2 is the power behind the throne, so to speak. I see a lot more people who knew them talking about BS, so he might have been the more active member of the duo--or the more memorable But I also think KM seems less awkward in the handful of pictures I've seen of them. And of course just because one is more active doesn't mean the other one isn't the one pulling the strings. As I posted earlier, a lot of times the more passive-seeming one is the one who is pulling the trigger for their friend.

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, it is. It's one that has interested me a lot over the years.

I'm curious which one of these 2 is the power behind the throne, so to speak. I see a lot more people who knew them talking about BS, so he might have been the more active member of the duo--or the more memorable But I also think KM seems less awkward in the handful of pictures I've seen of them.

Yeah. One of them is driving this, not that it makes the other one any less culpable.

I’ve read about several cases like this that involved a boyfriend and girlfriend.

There’s lots of variations.

 

[Zella]

Yeah. One of them is driving this, not that it makes the other one any less culpable.
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Exactly! He still goes along with it on his own free will.

I’ve read about several cases like this that involved a boyfriend and girlfriend.

There’s lots of variations

Yeah that's true. I'm more familiar with the same-gender male duos (Leopold and Loeb, Hickock and Smith, Klebold and Harris) and one female pairing (Parker and Hulme), but it certainly does lend itself to male-female duos too.

 

[Zella]

One thing I've also noticed about spree killing duos, which others alluded to earlier, is they often have shared fantasy worlds, which can be quite complex and even bizarre. It would not surprise me if details of that with these two eventually come out, especially considering they were childhood friends. Many of the others I know of hadn't really known each other for a long time but just had a strong natural affinity for each other. These two have had years to solidify their bond and build their own little world.