CANADA Canada - Kam McLeod, 19, & Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, last seen Sask, mid July 2019 *Armed & Dangerous*

[MistyWaters]

As far as we know, they may not have a vehicle now, right? The Rav burned up yesterday? Have there been any sightings of them in something else? Obviously, they would find it easy to carjack someone else, but we don’t know that they have yet, right?

No reports of a different vehicle and LE haven’t yet confirmed the RAV4 was burned.

“An all-night police patrol is underway in northern Manitoba as the search continues for two suspects in the homicides of a young tourist couple gunned down in British Columbia, as well as in the suspicious death of another man, a Manitoba First Nation chief says.

Fox Lake Cree Nation Chief Walter Spence said in a statement Tuesday evening that police are conducting the patrol as a precaution.

"The RCMP are carefully conducting their work with a large presence and I would like to ask all community members to report anything of concern directly to RCMP."...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/b-c-homicide-suspects-manitoba-1.5222542

 

[LovesPeace2]

They’ll survive, but they’ll get desperate long before then.

Something big is coming.

They went threw a town I was raised in Manitoba. I have friends in Gilliam people out there are keeping a look out for strangers. The area is really tough a lot wild life and black flies there's bears lynx wolves .the weather is really hot right now. There are little shacks up at people's trap lines but they'd need a boat or quad . They could grab another vehicle and if it's a tourist the vehicle may not be missed for a while

 

[Kaley Smith]

The father said they were good kids. Well, they had an obsession with war games and guns, to the point of going into the forest and practising stuff... training intensively for war for hours. To me, that's a pretty big red flag. The teens are now in my province (where gas bar is a fairly common term btw). Lots of very thick forest up north. They probably have a plan, but are likely overconfident so will make a mistake that will lead to their capture. I am praying for the safety of people up there and for the RCMP officers.

 

[MassGuy]

They went threw a town I was raised in Manitoba. I have friends in Gilliam people out there are keeping a look out for strangers. The area is really tough a lot wild life and black flies there's bears lynx wolves .the weather is really hot right now. There are little shacks up at people's trap lines but they'd need a boat or quad . They could grab another vehicle and if it's a tourist the vehicle may not be missed for a while

And that’s what’s scary.

To get what they want, they will likely feel compelled to kill for it.

They wouldn’t give that a second thought.

Let’s just hope they hunker down, and the victim count doesn’t increase.

I’m not optimistic though.

 

[msteach]

I keep thinking that they can't be hard to miss if someone sees them. They would likely stick out anywhere -- even if they were not in the remote North. RCMP is reminding people that they may have changed their appearance, but it is still a pair of 6'4" skinny guys. One guy that tall draws attention, but a pair of them will stick out like a sore thumb.

My guess is that they have stolen another vehicle by now and a (and sadly, most likely have killed another person) and are feeling overly confident and are still thinking in their grandiose video game enhanced minds that they are more invincible by the day.

 

[LovesPeace2]

And that’s what’s scary.

To get what they want, they will likely feel compelled to kill for it.

They wouldn’t give that a second thought.

Let’s just hope they bunker down, and the victim count doesn’t increase.

I’m not optimistic though.

Gilliam is a beautiful plaçe with a beautiful beach so many tourists in the summer.the vehicle was found burned was close to Sundance which just had a huge pow wow the sweat lodges may still be up so there may be people around . It's my opinion they already have a vehicle and the counts gone up we just don't know it yet

 

[MassGuy]

Gilliam is a beautiful plaçe with a beautiful beach so many tourists in the summer.the vehicle was found burned was close to Sundance which just had a huge pow wow the sweat lodges may still be up so there may be people around . It's my opinion they already have a vehicle and the counts gone up we just don't know it yet

Yeah, I tend to agree.

These two aren’t about to stop until they are caught, and their whole purpose seems to be murder.

 

[LovesPeace2]

A lot of people in that part of the country especially the elders don't have internet some don't have cable A lot may not know .if two young guys showed up asking for help they'd let them in.this can turn very very bad fast .

 

[Ruprect]

I'm in Australia and have a few thoughts on this case. This is all just my speculation of course so take it for what that's worth. If they are connected to the murder of Chynna and Lucas, what was the motive? I'm not really sold on the motive of playing soldier or rogue etc that some of their history is suggesting. I think they may have just spotted Chynna and approached her before being confronted by Lucas.
Australians don't think about guns when dealing with other people. Australia has strong gun laws which are effective in keeping them out of the hands of most people including petty criminals. Lucas might have been pretty fearless and things got out of hand...one of the boys decided a gun was the answer.
From there things have just escalated and have seen at least another person murdered...
I find it incredibly sad all round. A nice couple gun down, another guy murdered possibly for his transport and two young men throwing their lives away.

 

[NorthernWild]

In the smaller communities, this may well make it to elders and others by word of mouth. A neighbour emailed me after the burnt truck and body were found (before public, a local who found and reported the burning truck to RCMP had called others here). Another stopped by to suggest we lock up tight that night.

 

[NorthernWild]

Australians don't think about guns when dealing with other people. Australia has strong gun laws which are effective in keeping them out of the hands of most people including petty criminals.

The same could be said of Canadians not thinking about guns dealing with other people. Unfortunately the effective part relates to law abiding citizens more than to criminals.

Reports of how their bodies were arranged have led to suggestions they were ordered there at gunpoint and then executed. The natural response is to comply, but you’re probably better off running. Fighting back is also likely better than complying (complying with someone came to you and points a gun at you unprovoked will likely end up with you dead, much like playing dead with a bear that stalked you—not surprised by you), but the odds are not great when only the criminals have guns. Either way, Lucas and Chynna were in a terrible spot with no great options.

This case, while different, reminds me of the Tim Bosma killers—essentially sickos thrill killing.

 

[CherryKitty]

I'm in Australia and have a few thoughts on this case. This is all just my speculation of course so take it for what that's worth. If they are connected to the murder of Chynna and Lucas, what was the motive? I'm not really sold on the motive of playing soldier or rogue etc that some of their history is suggesting. I think they may have just spotted Chynna and approached her before being confronted by Lucas.
Australians don't think about guns when dealing with other people. Australia has strong gun laws which are effective in keeping them out of the hands of most people including petty criminals. Lucas might have been pretty fearless and things got out of hand...one of the boys decided a gun was the answer.
From there things have just escalated and have seen at least another person murdered...
I find it incredibly sad all round. A nice couple gun down, another guy murdered possibly for his transport and two young men throwing their lives away.

I myself am trying to figure out the motive. It doesn't make sense; I've mentioned elsewhere that Lucas and Chynna don't appear to have been materialistic or radiate wealth in any way. Camper vans like theirs can be purchased for a reasonable price, although likely suffering issues much like they were having already.

If Kam or Bryer was the bearded man seen having an argument with the couple, I'm wondering if they were requesting help or assistance of some sort. Lucas and Chynna perhaps unable to assist in whatever was being requested, resulting in frustration, anger, etc... it still doesn't make sense, and I don't think it ever will, considering it's such a senseless crime.

I really hope the other person is identified and justice sought for him as well; I don't mean to minimize his death at all when speaking of the other, it's just that we have no information on his identity or circumstance.

My partner is Australian as well and was baffled when I told him about an encounter I had in the US with a gun-toting citizen. Definitely not something he would ever be prepared for, let alone assume. Can't say I would be either, but I realize that it's a possibility, especially in big hunting communities.

 

[CherryKitty]

The same could be said of Canadians not thinking about guns dealing with other people. Unfortunately the effective part relates to law abiding citizens more than to criminals.

Reports of how their bodies were arranged have led to suggestions they were ordered there at gunpoint and then executed. The natural response is to comply, but you’re probably better off running. Fighting back is also likely better than complying (complying with someone came to you and points a gun at you unprovoked will likely end up with you dead, much like playing dead with a bear that stalked you—not surprised by you), but the odds are not great when only the criminals have guns. Either way, Lucas and Chynna were in a terrible spot with no great options.

This case, while different, reminds me of the Tim Bosma killers—essentially sickos thrill killing.

Oddly, I too immediately thought of Tim Bosma. Definitely different, but an emphasis on vehicles. Tragic, senseless, heartless. People are sick.

 

[Seattle1]

I seen an article but forget which online site it was the pair had gone into the First Nations community and bought $20 worth of gas and while there asked if they could drink there. They were told they couldn't as it's a dry community, the Split Lake First Nation. I will try and find the article again. But I'm getting "errors" trying to link to some CBC articles on this case/story /

Police issued the public safety bulletin shortly after 4:30 p.m. CT on Tuesday.

RCMP say Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, "may be in Manitoba and are considered dangerous." Police believe they were recently in the area of Gillam, Man. — almost 750 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.

Police ask anyone who spots the pair to call 911 or local police immediately, but to avoid confronting the men.

[...]

A cashier at a Split Lake, Man., gas bar believes the suspects approached her till around 4 p.m. on Monday.

M K said McLeod paid for $20 of fuel and Schmegelsky asked if they could consume alcohol in the community, which is dry.

She said nothing seemed odd about their visit, until she saw the RCMP's updated suspect photos on Tuesday. She recognized McLeod by his beard and Schmegelsky for the camouflaged shirt he was reportedly wearing.

"The guy who paid for the gas — he was quiet, he didn't say anything, he was just looking down. They seemed like, I don't know, normal," Keeper said. "I'm just so nervous right now thinking about it."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/b-c-homicide-suspects-manitoba-1.5222542

ETA: Employee name changed to initials by me for privacy.

 

[Sillybilly]

This thread is about a couple of fugitives who have allegedly murdered 2 or 3 people; it's not about bag milk or the use of the term gas bar vs gas station.

Please stop the off topic posts and keep discussion centred on the facts of this case.

 

[Peace777]

Police issued the public safety bulletin shortly after 4:30 p.m. CT on Tuesday.

RCMP say Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, "may be in Manitoba and are considered dangerous." Police believe they were recently in the area of Gillam, Man. — almost 750 kilometres northeast of Winnipeg.

Police ask anyone who spots the pair to call 911 or local police immediately, but to avoid confronting the men.

[...]

A cashier at a Split Lake, Man., gas bar believes the suspects approached her till around 4 p.m. on Monday.

M K said McLeod paid for $20 of fuel and Schmegelsky asked if they could consume alcohol in the community, which is dry.

She said nothing seemed odd about their visit, until she saw the RCMP's updated suspect photos on Tuesday. She recognized McLeod by his beard and Schmegelsky for the camouflaged shirt he was reportedly wearing.

"The guy who paid for the gas — he was quiet, he didn't say anything, he was just looking down. They seemed like, I don't know, normal," Keeper said. "I'm just so nervous right now thinking about it."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/b-c-homicide-suspects-manitoba-1.5222542

ETA: Employee name changed to initials by me for privacy.

You found the article I was referring to earlier . Thanks for posting it. So these two were worried about rules of not to drink on a Native community but didn't bother them to murder 3 people? I wonder if they're getting drunk etc. If so they'll slip up if they want to still keep getting the booze, likely Vodka as was reported in another article. JMO

 

[Peace777]

IIRC the father said the two played video games where they may’ve learned survival tactics. But that’s a far cry from what’s reported here.. There’s reasons some people avoid speaking to the media — this report from AU is not helpful imo. The father was interviewed prior to his son being declared a suspect.

Suspect’s dad believes Canadian teens in hiding from real killer
Baby-faced suspects in Canadian murders ‘trained in war and camouflage in the woods’
“Two lifelong friends wanted over the grisly murders of three people, including an Australian and his American girlfriend, on a lonely Canadian highway had trained intensively in “war and camouflage”, the father of one of the suspects says.”

Hiding from the real killer?. Most people would go straight to the Police if someone is chasing after them to maybe kill them too not the other way around. These guys are burning the vehicles to get rid of any evidence left behind. Burning cars does not conceal them from "killer".Robbery is involved in this case too, I hope nothing relating to sexual assault was done to Ms. Deease). Instead they are leaving a trail for "him" to follow instead. JMO

 

[indicolite22]

You found the article I was referring to earlier . Thanks for posting it. So these two were worried about rules of not to drink on a Native community but didn't bother them to murder 3 people? I wonder if they're getting drunk etc. If so they'll slip up if they want to still keep getting the booze, likely Vodka as was reported in another article. JMO

BBM. IMO they wanted to hide in the community and didn't want to risk getting arrested.

 

[Seattle1]

You found the article I was referring to earlier . Thanks for posting it. So these two were worried about rules of not to drink on a Native community but didn't bother them to murder 3 people? I wonder if they're getting drunk etc. If so they'll slip up if they want to still keep getting the booze, likely Vodka as was reported in another article. JMO

You read about sociopaths ability to compartmentalize, and here's a good example of these teens "seeming normal," buying petrol, and actually asking whether or not they could consume alcohol in the region.

 

[FigTree]

Is there a timeline anywhere of their suspected activity - and where currently the Police think they are?
Thanks in advance.