GUILTY Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #4

[otto]

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: >>>>defense team !

The lawyers appear to have a very dim view of the jury, clearly assuming that their combined IQ barely reaches 100.

 

[docwho3]

The lawyers appear to have a very dim view of the jury, clearly assuming that their combined IQ barely reaches 100.

No worries . . . . .as long as they don't have the OJ jury.

 

[L L & S]

No worries . . . . .as long as they don't have the OJ jury.

Dang, I'm still angry about that trial.

Dare I say, as long as they don't also get stuck with the MJackson jury either. That was a complete fiasco also, imo.

 

[Jess]

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=d0e6c381-dd3f-41d8-9332-8b0a2921036d&k=0


Published: Friday, November 03, 2006

A neighbour saw Michael White speed away from their Castledowns community, driving his wife's Ford Explorer, about an hour before the vehicle was found abandoned in the parking lot of a nearby recreation area.

"I saw him drive by and I waved — I guess he didn't see me," Paul Beaudoin testified today during the second day of White's murder trial.

"In my mind, ‘Oh, he's late for work. He's in a big rush,’" said Beaudoin.


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An evidence phto shows the contents of a garbage bag, including blood-stained clothes, paper towels and a broken lamp and latex gloves. Police seized the bag after following Michael White to a field where he picked up these and other items and left them at the curbside for garbage pickup.
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White's pregnant wife, Liana, was reported missing later that day, July 12, 2005. White pleaded through the media for the public's help to find her.

On July 17, a volunteer search party discovered the decomposing body of the 29-year-old woman in a ditch north of the city.
White was charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.

Beaudoin said it was about 5 a.m. when he saw White cruise through a yield sign at 161st Avenue and Dunluce Road. He said White was behind the wheel of Liana's brown SUV. White usually drove his pick-up truck, he said.

Other witnesses testified they saw Liana's Explorer just before 6 a.m. in the parking lot next to a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street. Its driver's side door was wide open and a purse and shoes were lying on the ground.

 

[otto]

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=d0e6c381-dd3f-41d8-9332-8b0a2921036d&k=0


Published: Friday, November 03, 2006

A neighbour saw Michael White speed away from their Castledowns community, driving his wife's Ford Explorer, about an hour before the vehicle was found abandoned in the parking lot of a nearby recreation area.

"I saw him drive by and I waved — I guess he didn't see me," Paul Beaudoin testified today during the second day of White's murder trial.

"In my mind, ‘Oh, he's late for work. He's in a big rush,’" said Beaudoin.


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An evidence phto shows the contents of a garbage bag, including blood-stained clothes, paper towels and a broken lamp and latex gloves. Police seized the bag after following Michael White to a field where he picked up these and other items and left them at the curbside for garbage pickup.
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White's pregnant wife, Liana, was reported missing later that day, July 12, 2005. White pleaded through the media for the public's help to find her.

On July 17, a volunteer search party discovered the decomposing body of the 29-year-old woman in a ditch north of the city.
White was charged with second-degree murder and offering an indignity to a dead body.

Beaudoin said it was about 5 a.m. when he saw White cruise through a yield sign at 161st Avenue and Dunluce Road. He said White was behind the wheel of Liana's brown SUV. White usually drove his pick-up truck, he said.

Other witnesses testified they saw Liana's Explorer just before 6 a.m. in the parking lot next to a baseball diamond at 157th Avenue and 116th Street. Its driver's side door was wide open and a purse and shoes were lying on the ground.

Michael obviously thought that by leaving her out in the country, police and the public would assume that she was another victim like so many other women that disappeared from the streets and ended up in the countryside. It sounds like he had a change of heart, at some time, and collected the stuff he discarded and put it curbside. This doesn't really make any sense, but if the lamp was left in a field and it could be traced to the home, then the husband clearly realized he'd made a big mistake. Why he didn't take the stuff to a dumster is a true mystery. I guess the neighbours knew early on that there was a problem with his story about sleeping while his wife left for work.

 

[Alta]

I hope this guy rots in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.It always amazed me he just happened to be a part of the search party who found his wifes body that day.He probably led them right to her.

 

[WhiteWolf]

Michael obviously thought that by leaving her out in the country, police and the public would assume that she was another victim like so many other women that disappeared from the streets and ended up in the countryside. It sounds like he had a change of heart, at some time, and collected the stuff he discarded and put it curbside. This doesn't really make any sense, but if the lamp was left in a field and it could be traced to the home, then the husband clearly realized he'd made a big mistake. Why he didn't take the stuff to a dumster is a true mystery. I guess the neighbours knew early on that there was a problem with his story about sleeping while his wife left for work.

Well, sheesh! Why would the "real killer" bother to take their lamp, paper towels, etc., away from the crime scene? AND how convenient that the "real killer" was a fat, bald doofus.

 

[otto]

I hope this guy rots in jail for the rest of his pathetic life.It always amazed me he just happened to be a part of the search party who found his wifes body that day.He probably led them right to her.

He was leading the search party that found his wife. I remember thinking that maybe someone (from the army) did this and that's why Michael knew which areas to search. I guess it was better that he found the body that afternoon ... better than one of the search party seeing his wife like that.

He'll go for second degree and be out in 10. Manslaughter, unintentional death, means that in 10 years he'll be having a second family because it's reasonable to believe that with a married couple and young child ... when one parent kills the other ... it's most likely a "heat of the passion" moment. That seems like an excuse for murder that should be disallowed, in my opinion.

My verdict is 10 years ... the guy freaked, murdered and then did rediculously stupid stuff that obviously indicate that he didn't have a plan: Accidental death without him ever having to take responsibility for the fact that he can get so mad he can murder people. I suppose he could get a little anger treatment in jail ... imagine how mad he'll be when he is released.

Big, fat, bald guy known to be ...

 

[otto]

Well, sheesh! Why would the "real killer" bother to take their lamp, paper towels, etc., away from the crime scene? AND how convenient that the "real killer" was a fat, bald doofus.

It's so comical that it's almost clinically absurd ... the lawyers are trying to diminish the crime to one of passion and accidental death ... he did such incredibly stupid stuff with the lamp and bloody paper towels, he couldn't possible have planned the murder ... except the fact that he had the forethought to leave her body in a rural field, like several other current missing women. The fact that Michael White thought to murder his wife and try to make it look like part of a string of murders demonstrates that he had forethought and intent (mallice) when he murdered her. It should be first degree ... but I think the jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and make it second.

Thoughts?

I do believe this is not a question of guilt, but one of first or second degree guilt. Second is 10 years, first is 25 years. I thnk he's guilty of first, but his lawyer is painting a picture of second.

 

[WhiteWolf]

It's so comical that it's almost clinically absurd ... the lawyers are trying to diminish the crime to one of passion and accidental death ... he did such incredibly stupid stuff with the lamp and bloody paper towels, he couldn't possible have planned the murder ... except the fact that he had the forethought to leave her body in a rural field, like several other current missing women. The fact that Michael White thought to murder his wife and try to make it look like part of a string of murders demonstrates that he had forethought and intent (mallice) when he murdered her. It should be first degree ... but I think the jury will give him the benefit of the doubt and make it second.

Thoughts?

I do believe this is not a question of guilt, but one of first or second degree guilt. Second is 10 years, first is 25 years. I thnk he's guilty of first, but his lawyer is painting a picture of second.

I think the crime was first degree murder. He did a "Peterson" on his wife.

His plan for hiding his wife's body had to have some forethought because it was too elaborate to be spur of the moment. But, basically, I think his motive for killing her was to get rid of the responsibility of their baby.

 

[otto]

I think the crime was first degree murder. He did a "Peterson" on his wife.

His plan for hiding his wife's body had to have some forethought because it was too elaborate to be spur of the moment. But, basically, I think his motive for killing her was to get rid of the responsibility of their baby.

He definitely did a Peterson but people will wonder what he had planned for their existing daughter. I suppose his parents were so used to looking after one but two meant that the family had to find other childcare.

So why were they so strapped for cash if he was in the armed forces ... can't they pay a salary that allows moms to raise children?

 

[Jess]

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So why were they so strapped for cash if he was in the armed forces ... can't they pay a salary that allows moms to raise children?

He was no longer in the armed forces. He had been convicted of theft and was dishonourably discharged.( The full details are somewhere on the Lianna White threads on this board) White was working as a mechanic. While he was out on bail, he returned to that job. I'll be interested to see when we'll find out why that particular judge allowed him to be granted bail( which was revoked due I think, to the petition started by a neighbour )

 

[WhiteWolf]

He definitely did a Peterson but people will wonder what he had planned for their existing daughter. I suppose his parents were so used to looking after one but two meant that the family had to find other childcare.

So why were they so strapped for cash if he was in the armed forces ... can't they pay a salary that allows moms to raise children?

Jess answered some of your questions in the above post.

They may not have been critically strapped for cash yet, but with the impending doctor and hospital bills for the new baby, he probably didn't want to wait to kill her.

I'm wondering if he had a double life going on like so many other wife killers?

 

[otto]

Jess answered some of your questions in the above post.

They may not have been critically strapped for cash yet, but with the impending doctor and hospital bills for the new baby, he probably didn't want to wait to kill her.

I'm wondering if he had a double life going on like so many other wife killers?

He wouldn't have had any doctor or hospital bills because of national health care.

The double life seems like a possibility, but still ... they already had one child so his life had already changed. Maybe I'm generalizing, but it seems to me that men that murder their pregnant wives are usually trying to avoid growing up and having the responsibility of a family. This one seems different.

 

[WhiteWolf]

He wouldn't have had any doctor or hospital bills because of national health care.

The double life seems like a possibility, but still ... they already had one child so his life had already changed. Maybe I'm generalizing, but it seems to me that men that murder their pregnant wives are usually trying to avoid growing up and having the responsibility of a family. This one seems different.

Oh, I forgot about the Canadian health care.

Two children are still more responsibility, though, especially if he didn't want to pay child support for another child if he divorced his wife.

Maybe his main focus was killing Leanne, and the baby was secondary? Remember the Peterson jury convicted Scott of 1st degree murder for Laci, and 2nd degree murder for Conner's murder. If he didn't love her anymore (hated?), and she just happened to be pregnant when he killed her, their first child wouldn't have been a problem for him.

 

[otto]

Oh, I forgot about the Canadian health care.

Two children are still more responsibility, though, especially if he didn't want to pay child support for another child if he divorced his wife.

Maybe his main focus was killing Leanne, and the baby was secondary? Remember the Peterson jury convicted Scott of 1st degree murder for Laci, and 2nd degree murder for Conner's murder. If he didn't love her anymore (hated?), and she just happened to be pregnant when he killed her, their first child wouldn't have been a problem for him.

The motive is definitely a mystery with this one.

 

[otto]

This case has been compared to that of Laci Peterson. It is interesting to see the difference with how it was handled in comparison to the Laci Peterson case. There was no media hype or talking heads analyzing every detail. In fact, no details were made availabe until the trial and everyone was perfectly happy to sit patiently and wait for the information to be released. We can also compare it to how Natalee Holloway's case was handled in Aruba. All three countries: Aruba, the US and Canada have very different ways of handling investigations and prosecutions of missing or murdered people. I think there is much to be said for keeping investigations out of the media, specifically for the purpose of ensuring a fair trial. In fact, I suspect that Aruba would have handled Natalee's case much like Canada handled Liana's case had they been allowed to proceed without media interference.

 

[Jess]

The difference in the two justice / social systems is so evident. All news reports whether they be print, radio or television are virtually identical because the media is only allowed to report what is said in court ! No witnesses or family are talking to the press or leaking anything. Neither are the lawyers or any members of their firms.The case, contrary to the pastor's assertions, is being tried in a court of law ---------- and no where else !

 

[Bobbisangel]

I think the crime was first degree murder. He did a "Peterson" on his wife.

His plan for hiding his wife's body had to have some forethought because it was too elaborate to be spur of the moment. But, basically, I think his motive for killing her was to get rid of the responsibility of their baby.

It's a shame that he wasn't charged with 1st degree murder. He didn't have to kill her. From everything that I remember reading about Lianna she seemed like such a nice person that everyone who knew her spoke so highly of. I wonder if they had been having problems and if she was thinking about leaving him?

I think that he went and picked up those two garbage bags full of bloody stuff because he was afraid someone would find them in the field and it was probably his garbage day so he thought the bags would be gone that same day. But LE beat the garbage truck to the house. Thank God!

He stabbed Lianna in the back. That to me means he meant to kill her which should have been 1st degree. I hate to even think of this poor little gal trying to defend herself against that big fat blob of a waste of space. But she had defense wounds on her hands if memory serves me.

Is the trial still going? Can anyone from Canada post the newspaper links so we can keep track of what is happening please. I followed this case as much as we were allowed to hear and I really want to see that there is justice for Lianna. In my mind 10 yrs isn't justice for anyone. Will he be out in about 6 yrs or so? Lianna's life was worth much more than that.

 

[Jess]

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Is the trial still going? Can anyone from Canada post the newspaper links so we can keep track of what is happening please. I followed this case as much as we were allowed to hear and I really want to see that there is justice for Lianna. In my mind 10 yrs isn't justice for anyone. Will he be out in about 6 yrs or so? Lianna's life was worth much more than that.

If you read further back, I have been posting the newspaper accounts since the trial started on November 2 which was this past Thursday. There is no additional information as all that is reported on is what is said in the court room which is on the public record.