GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[cansleuther]

Where can this particular obit be found, other than "circulating on facebook"? Is it from an online newspaper or a funeral home's website?

The original version of the obituary with the name in question can be found on the cached page of the funeral home's website.

 

[otto]

Just to keep this in fair perspective for ''netiquette'' -- ''past documented history'' of illegal drugs....((sounds nitpicky I know)):blushing:

Sometimes it's good to step away from the case and look at what is known. We have the murder of a 26 year old university student completing her undergraduate degree in sociology. She is described as a good student by one of her instructors. She was murdered in her home on February 13. She was reported missing by her father on February 17.

She had a boyfriend and apparently spent time at his apartment, but she still had her own apartment. She reported to him that she was pregnant a few weeks prior to her disappearance, but he did not confirm her pregnancy. He said that she would go for blood tests to confirm the pregnancy. Her brother reported that he learned of her pregnancy 2-3 weeks prior to February 18. That suggests that she was about +/- 3 weeks pregnant. The boyfriend did not report her missing.

She had two roommates during Feb 2014, until the time of her disappearance. She was expecting $700 from her room mates on the day she disappeared. The rent is between $7-800/month. It is unknown whether she collected rent and a damage deposit prior to giving them the keys. It is highly irregular that anyone (especially a university educated 26 year old) would give her apartment keys to strangers without some sort of financial security, especially not to people with no employment or references. For example, how could she know that they wouldn't sell everything the next day and vanish? It is unusual that although she was sharing her apartment with two others, she was expecting somewhere close to a full month of rent.

Those two roommates had warrants for their arrest: car theft, uttering threats, marijuana possession. They had no apparent income - no jobs, no job history. They crossed the country several times during a two year time period with no known source of income.

The obituary stated that Robbie Fillier is (present tense) her "partner". This is not the name of the boyfriend that we heard about earlier. In 2008, Loretta and Robbie were arrested for drug trafficking. Loretta was in treatment for some sort of drug dependancy at the time of her murder.

What sort of association did Loretta have with Victoria and Blake such that she gave them the keys to her apartment and expected $700 two weeks later? Why is the man she was trafficking with in 2008 listed as her "partner" in her obituary? Why is the man that we believed was her boyfriend of 2.5 years not mentioned in her obituary?

 

[newone]

Otto- great summary.

The appearance of RF listed as partner and omission of current beau in the obit certainly broadsided me and has spun me around.

I am sensitive to the feelings of the family and friends of LS right now and want to carefully express ideas without casting aspersions on the character of LS. She was working on sobriety, had made some mistakes in the past and was clearly 'making amends' by attempting to be the best she could be with her circumstances. During recovery it is possible to have ''a slip'' and find oneself repeating behaviors or making associations with people who don't have best interests of others.

Blood test in early pregnancy is useful for determining paternity as well as Rh factor if the mom is Rh negative.

If RF was unknown to us - we could guess that perhaps the Rh factor and regular bloodwork would be routine.

Rent: Like you am wondering what was going on with our bright young lady to take a gamble on VH and her fella. Given that LS was on the road to recovery and nearing her goal she may have had (a) a tender spot for the young couple as she recognized where they were at in their UNsobriety and wanted to ''help'' them so they could clean up etc. (b) people in recovery often need to talk about their recovery to others who have been there or are still using (I'm told) (c) she was desperate as she's in final leg of her educational journey .... prior to launching into law school and she needed someone/anyone to move in and help with rent.

 

[otto]

Otto- great summary.

The appearance of RF listed as partner and omission of current beau in the obit certainly broadsided me and has spun me around.

I am sensitive to the feelings of the family and friends of LS right now and want to carefully express ideas without casting aspersions on the character of LS. She was working on sobriety, had made some mistakes in the past and was clearly 'making amends' by attempting to be the best she could be with her circumstances. During recovery it is possible to have ''a slip'' and find oneself repeating behaviors or making associations with people who don't have best interests of others.

Blood test in early pregnancy is useful for determining paternity as well as Rh factor if the mom is Rh negative.

If RF was unknown to us - we could guess that perhaps the Rh factor and regular bloodwork would be routine.

Rent: Like you am wondering what was going on with our bright young lady to take a gamble on VH and her fella. Given that LS was on the road to recovery and nearing her goal she may have had (a) a tender spot for the young couple as she recognized where they were at in their UNsobriety and wanted to ''help'' them so they could clean up etc. (b) people in recovery often need to talk about their recovery to others who have been there or are still using (I'm told) (c) she was desperate as she's in final leg of her educational journey .... prior to launching into law school and she needed someone/anyone to move in and help with rent.

Loretta didn't need to think about tuition again until after she wrote the LSAT and was accepted to a law school. September 2014 would be out of the question as applications usually have to be in by Feb-Apr, and we haven't heard that she applied or was accepted pending LSAT scores (something that I'm sure would have been mentioned by now). Regarding finances for aboriginals interested in post-secondary studies:

"More than $10 million in bursaries and scholarships are available to Canadian Aboriginal students for their post-secondary education. Many organizations, institutions and private sector businesses offer bursaries to [aboriginal] students who want to continue their studies in college and university after high school."

http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100033691/1100100033692#

A bright young aboriginal woman interested in studying law would have no problem obtaining the required bursaries and scholarships to pay tuition and more in order to attend law school.

[modsnip]

There's something wrong with the claim that Loretta did not require any money from two homeless, unemployed strangers until a couple of weeks after she gave them the keys to her apartment, and that the amount that she was collecting was approximately the same as a month rent, but Loretta was still living there at the same time. It doesn't add up. It also doesn't add up that she was cleaning up her life (drug history) and she chose two roommates with what is most likely a current drug history.

 

[newone]

We only have her student boyfriend's statement about her needing to collect rent from VH/BL as they had not paid when they moved in in January.....I agree that the whole matter is confounding.

 

[otto]

We only have her student boyfriend's statement about her needing to collect rent from VH/BL as they had not paid when they moved in in January.....I agree that the whole matter is confounding.

That's where I'm having a problem. From everything we saw of the Turkish boyfriend, he seemed genuine. We learned that they were together for 2.5 years, that they'd traveled to Turkey together, that she'd had a positive pregnancy test, that she was staying with him, he appeared at the media releases ... it all gives the impression that he believed that he was in a serious releationship. He also said that he expected to spend the rest of his life with her.

Now we learn that another man was her partner, per her family. If the Turkish boyfriend was in the dark about his relationship status, he could very well be in the dark about how Loretta met her new roommates (he suggested kijiji) and why she was going to collect $700 from the new roommates mid-month.

 

[newone]

That's where I'm having a problem. From everything we saw of the Turkish boyfriend, he seemed genuine. We learned that they were together for 2.5 years, that they'd traveled to Turkey together, that she'd had a positive pregnancy test, that she was staying with him, he appeared at the media releases ... it all gives the impression that he believed that he was in a serious releationship. He also said that he expected to spend the rest of his life with her.

Now we learn that another man was her partner, per her family. If the Turkish boyfriend was in the dark about his relationship status, he could very well be in the dark about how Loretta met her new roommates (he suggested kijiji) and why she was going to collect $700 from the new roommates mid-month.

BBM

Now to further confound the situation the family was in court Tuesday with YS and YS was grateful for their support.

YS felt supported by her family according to this ctv link

"I'm trying to stay strong," he said. "I'm glad the family is making me feel like family too"

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/family...ep-hope-in-our-hearts-1.1702946#ixzz2v4sz6dNm


With the publishing of RF as her partner this man must be hurting

 

[PonderingNS]

BBM

Now to further confound the situation the family was in court Tuesday with YS and YS was grateful for their support.

YS felt supported by her family according to this ctv link

"I'm trying to stay strong," he said. "I'm glad the family is making me feel like family too"

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/family...ep-hope-in-our-hearts-1.1702946#ixzz2v4sz6dNm


With the publishing of RF as her partner this man must be hurting

Morning, that link is from last Tuesday Feb 25, 2014. Not saying they don't still support him, I am just saying it is not new

 

[Truth Prevails]

Link?
TIA

Nothing has been confirmed.

There was one incorrectly written obituary released; then quickly retracted and re-released--showing no boyfriend.

The rest is all rumours coming from the private Facebook page.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Where can this particular obit be found, other than "circulating on facebook"? Is it from an online newspaper or a funeral home's website? Looks fake to me - like it was made in Paint or something.
What "people" are doing this disputing? On the Find Loretta FB page?



That they have known each other for some time doesn't mean they were in a relationship and I don't know that I would put so much stock into that particular version of the obit. On the other hand, it is interesting that whoever revealed RF's name seemed to want to make LS's arrest known.



SBM
I read it that way too. It actually makes more sense of RF is the mom's partner. And, it wouldn't be the first obit to confuse people with improper grammar.

I'm not sure what to think right now. In any case, I'm not about to believe that LS was sleeping with multiple men and unsure of the paternity of the fetus based on a sketchy obit with unknown provenance.

BBM--thank you.

I hit the thanks button, but once wasn't enough.

 

[appleeye]

Just a disclaimer that none of the above questions, IMO should have made her a target for this crime.

Just a person, living her life and got caught in a horrible situation

 

[Roxy Monoxide]

first post here - hi everyone! i've been reading the thread and just wanted to put in my 2 cents re: the drug connection between LS and BL/VH. LS was arrested for weed, which (in my book) is completely innocent, not to mention verrrry common. even though the amount with which she was charged was enough to be classified as intent to sell, a lot of people buy their weed in bulk because it's a lot cheaper, and also sometimes harder to get in some areas. i could be wrong, but i highly doubt that this factors into the equation at all - not to mention she was pregnant.

 

[appleeye]

first post here - hi everyone! i've been reading the thread and just wanted to put in my 2 cents re: the drug connection between LS and BL/VH. LS was arrested for weed, which (in my book) is completely innocent, not to mention verrrry common. even though the amount with which she was charged was enough to be classified as intent to sell, a lot of people buy their weed in bulk because it's a lot cheaper, and also sometimes harder to get in some areas. i could be wrong, but i highly doubt that this factors into the equation at all - not to mention she was pregnant.

Common but against the law regardless.

A pregnant woman can still sell weed. I am not saying that is what Loretta was doing because from what I read, it seems that her life was turned around. There are many "clean" people that live a different life than people know.

 

[Truth Prevails]

first post here - hi everyone! i've been reading the thread and just wanted to put in my 2 cents re: the drug connection between LS and BL/VH. LS was arrested for weed, which (in my book) is completely innocent, not to mention verrrry common. even though the amount with which she was charged was enough to be classified as intent to sell, a lot of people buy their weed in bulk because it's a lot cheaper, and also sometimes harder to get in some areas. i could be wrong, but i highly doubt that this factors into the equation at all - not to mention she was pregnant.

Nice to have you here, Roxy Monoxide!

I agree with everything you said, and I will add--concerning the lack of connection--that a conviction some 6 years ago in no way indicates that Loretta was still involved with drugs--or her accused murderers--in any way.

She was enrolled in university and doing exceptionally well; she had moved on and was clearly succeeding.

She had met someone new, not from home, and from main stream media articles wanted to be with him--the father of her unborn child.

If--and only if--the family has chosen to support an old boyfriend that drew her into the drug world and still carries a torch for her; that should not be a reflection on Loretta, nor what her new choices were about.

 

[elepher50]

first post here - hi everyone! i've been reading the thread and just wanted to put in my 2 cents re: the drug connection between LS and BL/VH. LS was arrested for weed, which (in my book) is completely innocent, not to mention verrrry common. even though the amount with which she was charged was enough to be classified as intent to sell, a lot of people buy their weed in bulk because it's a lot cheaper, and also sometimes harder to get in some areas. i could be wrong, but i highly doubt that this factors into the equation at all - not to mention she was pregnant.

Welcome to WS.

The weed charges were so old (I think 5 years ago or more) that it hardly is relevant to the current situation imo. I do not think there was any drug connection between VH/BL and LS which would factor into the case.

All my opinion ........ and once again Welcome to WS.

 

[elepher50]

I really must take a moment and put out this information:

1. WS is a victim friendly forum and LS's boyfriend Yalcin is a victim

2. Police have clearly stated that 'they are not looking for any more suspects' and they have arrested and charged the two people involved in the murder of Loretta Saunders

eleph

 

[Figuring]

I really must take a moment and put out this information:

1. WS is a victim friendly forum and LS's boyfriend Yalcin is a victim

2. Police have clearly stated that 'they are not looking for any more suspects' and they have arrested and charged the two people involved in the murder of Loretta Saunders

eleph

Was not trying to say I thought he was involved, hope that was clear!

 

[Figuring]

I am wondering why one would think that the family would help him come.

Last I checked, you can drive to NFLD.

They just buried their daughter, his expenses are not their main concern.

I think some people are wondering if $15K was raised, why the family can't help bring him to the funeral. This is in light of the obit that just came out naming someone else as LS's boyfriend.

Also, I agree w you there are many ways to get there and apparently West Jet has flights for $250 but the fundraising campaign is asking for $3000.

 

[appleeye]

I think some people are wondering if $15K was raised, why the family can't help bring him to the funeral. This is in light of the obit that just came out naming someone else as LS's boyfriend.

Also, I agree w you there are many ways to get there and apparently West Jet has flights for $250 but the fundraising campaign is asking for $3000.

I knew that the family was trying to get to NS to join the search. I didn't know that they had raised all the money.

I am very surprised that their band did not help with these costs (maybe they did but I didn't hear otherwise).

There is something fishy with the request for 3000.00

I don't like that he is doing that.

 

[elepher50]

Was not trying to say I thought he was involved, hope that was clear!

No, not at all - just putting it out there that WS is a victim friendly forum.