GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[Coldpizza]

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[dotr]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...or-murdered-loretta-saunders-prompts-inquiry/

" Maloney said a banner of condolences will be signed during Wednesday's noon vigil. She said it will be sent to Saunders's family in Labrador.

"This young woman dedicated her research to the issue of aboriginal women and giving a voice to women who no longer had a voice. That alone tells us that she would want this and I think her spirit is with us," she said.

"I find it amazing how far her message has gone."

 

[otto]

My opinion on the obituary write up with the 'partner' insert was clearly a grammatical error on the part of whoever wrote the obituary. It is my humble opinion that Loretta's father(Clayton) and mother(Miriam) are not together but rather that Miriam is with the Robbie person.

Rumours are very rampant right now on the private Facebook pages and that is what they are = rumours. There are also a fair number of people on the FB groups who are shall I shall 'just stirring it' for all it is worth at the moment.

Having said all of that - who knows what has gone on in the past. There certainly was never a mention of the Robbie guy the whole time Loretta was missing - he was not front and center.

To be totally honest I found it very, very odd that Loretta's mother and father did not come to Halifax and also that they did not attend the vigil (as far as I know) that was held in Goose Bay. Strange - very strange.

There is something strange about the family but it has no bearing on Loretta's demise at the hands of two evil people.

The only thing we know from all of this is that Loretta had a drug trafficking arrest in 2008. We don't know if drugs had anything to do with her association with the two suspects, but it's not out of the question.

 

[otto]

BBM - Link, please.

How quickly we forget the facts ...

February 20, 2014
“She went to get her rent Thursday and said if they didn’t have it she’ll tell them they have to leave. When she got there they weren’t home. She phoned them, apparently, and told them they had to leave.”

Video surveillance from the apartment shows her leaving the apartment on Thursday, Feb. 13, alone. It does not appear she was followed, said Mr. Saunders."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ng-halifax-student-who-disappeared-last-week/

Feb 27, 2014
"Perrin confirmed that police suspect Saunders was killed Feb. 13 in an apartment located at 41 Cowie Hill Dr. That's the address of the unit where Leggette and Henneberry lived with Saunders"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ates-charged-with-1st-degree-murder-1.2554052

 

[elepher50]

The only thing we know from all of this is that Loretta had a drug trafficking arrest in 2008. We don't know if drugs had anything to do with her association with the two suspects, but it's not out of the question.

Agreed, we do not know what the association was between Loretta and the two suspects other than the common connection to the apartment on Cowie Hill where Loretta was allegedly murdered.

Other than that we do not know anything. And by not knowing anything it makes anything a possibility.

 

[otto]

Agreed, we do not know what the association was between Loretta and the two suspects other than the common connection to the apartment on Cowie Hill where Loretta was allegedly murdered.

Other than that we do not know anything. And by not knowing anything it makes anything a possibility.

There is also a common thread with marijuana. Blake Leggette was arrested for possession of marijuana, and Loretta was arrested for trafficking marijuana. Although we want to portray all victims as pure and innocent, it's very difficult to understand the what actually happened if we ignore the unpleasant facts.

"Blake Leggette, 25, is wanted on warrants for possession of stolen property and possession of marijuana."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...er-roommate-wanted-on-alta-warrants-1.2548394

"Police say they seized 30 grams of marijuana.

Loretta Saunders, 20, and [a friend], 38, have been charged with one count each of possessing marijuana for the purposes of trafficking."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/trafficking-charges-laid-in-hopedale-1.750480

Therefore, we have Loretta sharing her apartment with Blake/Victoria, and a common interest in illegal drugs.

 

[otto]

http://www.680news.com/2014/03/05/v...-for-murdered-halifax-woman-loretta-saunders/
"Vigil held on Parliament Hill for murdered Halifax woman Loretta Saunders"

This is what caught my attention. I thought that Loretta's sister said that she wanted a copy of the research paper proposal so that she could pursue it. I hope that Cheryl Maloney supports the family's wishes.

"Cheryl Maloney of the Nova Scotia Native Women’s Association, who spoke at the vigil, said she grappled with the question of who, if anyone, should finish Saunders’ work before coming to a realization.

“Maybe it wasn’t up to one person to finish Loretta’s thesis,” she said. “Maybe it was up to all of us as Canadians.”

http://www.680news.com/2014/03/05/v...-for-murdered-halifax-woman-loretta-saunders/

 

[appleeye]

How quickly we forget the facts ...

February 20, 2014
“She went to get her rent Thursday and said if they didn’t have it she’ll tell them they have to leave. When she got there they weren’t home. She phoned them, apparently, and told them they had to leave.”

Video surveillance from the apartment shows her leaving the apartment on Thursday, Feb. 13, alone. It does not appear she was followed, said Mr. Saunders."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ng-halifax-student-who-disappeared-last-week/

Feb 27, 2014
"Perrin confirmed that police suspect Saunders was killed Feb. 13 in an apartment located at 41 Cowie Hill Dr. That's the address of the unit where Leggette and Henneberry lived with Saunders"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ates-charged-with-1st-degree-murder-1.2554052

So just to be clear...

She went to the apartment and left it alone.

Was supposed to be calling VH and BL to tell them they had to leave.

They are stating she was murdered in the apartment.

When did she go back and did she go on her own accord? Do we know this?

 

[Roxy Monoxide]

There is also a common thread with marijuana. Blake Leggette was arrested for possession of marijuana, and Loretta was arrested for trafficking marijuana. Although we want to portray all victims as pure and innocent, it's very difficult to understand the what actually happened if we ignore the unpleasant facts.

"Blake Leggette, 25, is wanted on warrants for possession of stolen property and possession of marijuana."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...er-roommate-wanted-on-alta-warrants-1.2548394

"Police say they seized 30 grams of marijuana.

Loretta Saunders, 20, and [a friend], 38, have been charged with one count each of possessing marijuana for the purposes of trafficking."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/trafficking-charges-laid-in-hopedale-1.750480

Therefore, we have Loretta sharing her apartment with Blake/Victoria, and a common interest in illegal drugs.

The charges against LS are from 6 years ago, i hardly would consider it a commonality.. and there was no proof she was selling, it was just because of the amount - but like i said before, lots of people buy in large quantities for personal use.

 

[otto]

So just to be clear...

She went to the apartment and left it alone.

Was supposed to be calling VH and BL to tell them they had to leave.

They are stating she was murdered in the apartment.

When did she go back and did she go on her own accord? Do we know this?

I suspect that she went to the apartment and was murdered. When police stated that there was surveillance video of Loretta leaving the apartment, I'm sure there was, but I suspect that she was being taken out of the apartment by Victoria and Blake.

Only police and the murderers would know exactly what the video revealed. We simply assumed that video surveillance of her leaving the apartment meant that she walked out. I don't think that is what happened.

 

[appleeye]

This is what caught my attention. I thought that Loretta's sister said that she wanted a copy of the research paper proposal so that she could pursue it. I hope that Cheryl Maloney supports the family's wishes.

"Cheryl Maloney of the Nova Scotia Native Women’s Association, who spoke at the vigil, said she grappled with the question of who, if anyone, should finish Saunders’ work before coming to a realization.

“Maybe it wasn’t up to one person to finish Loretta’s thesis,” she said. “Maybe it was up to all of us as Canadians.”

http://www.680news.com/2014/03/05/v...-for-murdered-halifax-woman-loretta-saunders/

Her Thesis will be on her computer (which did we ever find out actually where LS lived????). My thoughts are that her family , when they retrieve her things will have access to all of this.

One more question if I may... Did I hear correctly that her sister is staying at the apartment that the murder apparently happened in? Would it not be sealed as a crime scene still or was it released?

I am to assume that it was not a gory scene (which is a very good thing) if her sister is allowed back inside.

They are doing an autopsy, correct?

I feel that there has been so much confusion about this case that I have forgotten some very basic points.

 

[otto]

The charges against LS are from 6 years ago, i hardly would consider it a commonality.. and there was no proof she was selling, it was just because of the amount - but like i said before, lots of people buy in large quantities for personal use.

That's one heck of a lot of pot for personal use! Only a daily user would need that kind of a personal supply of pot.

Which is it? Loretta needed so much pot for personal use that the amount is normally acquired for trafficking, or she was profiting from the sale of pot?

 

[otto]

Her Thesis will be on her computer (which did we ever find out actually where LS lived????). My thoughts are that her family , when they retrieve her things will have access to all of this.

One more question if I may... Did I hear correctly that her sister is staying at the apartment that the murder apparently happened in? Would it not be sealed as a crime scene still or was it released?

I am to assume that it was not a gory scene (which is a very good thing) if her sister is allowed back inside.

They are doing an autopsy, correct?

I feel that there has been so much confusion about this case that I have forgotten some very basic points.

Initially we were told that she had sublet her apartment, later we learned that she still lived in her apartment. I would expect that Loretta took her laptop with her ... she would need it with her every day for her studies at the university. Police might have her laptop for now, but Loretta's instructor will have a copy of the research proposal and presumably has provided that to the family. I would very much like to see her sister complete the project.

The crime scene has most likely been released. Without question, there will be an autopsy. Given the cold temperatures and how quickly Loretta was found, I expect that there will be a clear cause of death.

 

[kdgdid]

So just to be clear...

She went to the apartment and left it alone.

Was supposed to be calling VH and BL to tell them they had to leave.

They are stating she was murdered in the apartment.

When did she go back and did she go on her own accord? Do we know this?

No we do not know if she went back on her own accord. Speculation and it is only speculation is that is why LE was interested in speaking to the taxi driver.

 

[Roxy Monoxide]

That's one heck of a lot of pot for personal use! Only a daily user would need that kind of a personal supply of pot.

Which is it? Loretta needed so much pot for personal use that it is considered trafficking, or she was profiting from the sale of pot?

there are lots of people who lead productive lives and smoke pot daily.. and it's not really a lot if you take into consideration that it could have been split between both of them and how hard it is to get in rural areas.. plus it's a hell of a lot cheaper that way. to be honest, i would expect an actual dealer to have a lot more than that. if they both smoked daily at that time (mind you, this was 2008, not yesterday) that would probably only last about a month. i think it's about as much of a connection as it would be that they both drank alcohol.

 

[Roxy Monoxide]

also the autopsy has already been completed and i believe the funeral as well, it will just take a while to actually find out the info re: COD

 

[kdgdid]

That's one heck of a lot of pot for personal use! Only a daily user would need that kind of a personal supply of pot.

Which is it? Loretta needed so much pot for personal use that the amount is normally acquired for trafficking, or she was profiting from the sale of pot?

Either is possible where the arrest was made is a remote area I am sure that if a person was into smoking pot and had an opportunity to purchase a larger amount in another area then that is what you would do so it would last for a while.

We do not know who it actually belonged to, either person in the home or both.

We also do not know if either or both were convicted.

 

[kdgdid]

also the autopsy has already been completed and i believe the funeral as well, it will just take a while to actually find out the info re: COD

I believe the funeral is this Sunday.

 

[notsherlock]

There was some confusion as to whether Loretta had connected with Black and Victoria through kijiji or through her boyfriend. Has it been considered that the boyfriend that was being referred to was the "friend" listed in the original obituary?

 

[otto]

there are lots of people who lead productive lives and smoke pot daily.. and it's not really a lot if you take into consideration that it could have been split between both of them and how hard it is to get in rural areas.. plus it's a hell of a lot cheaper that way. to be honest, i would expect an actual dealer to have a lot more than that. if they both smoked daily at that time (mind you, this was 2008, not yesterday) that would probably only last about a month. i think it's about as much of a connection as it would be that they both drank alcohol.

That's very true. Lots of people have a daily pot smoking habit and they function quite well. What we know is that both the victim and the suspects had some prior connection to pot. Given the amount that Loretta had, either she was a daily user, or she profited from the sale of pot. Blake had a personal amount of pot. This leaves me wondering whether this is the thread that connects the victim to the suspects.

Additionally, regarding the $700, the live-in boyfriend said that this was rent money, but to believe that, we also have to believe that a university educated woman gave her apartment keys to two complete strangers; unemployed drug using drifters, and required nothing in exchange. That doesn't sound true no matter how I look at it. If Loretta did this out of the kindness of her heart, why, on Feb 9, did Victoria express such animosity towards Loretta?