GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[newone]

Wonder if Brian David Goddard was a friend of VL he's awaiting trial for stabbing death of Petawawa resident .... (2013)...
He was 25 and ''no fixed address''

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...g-leads-to-1st-degree-murder-charge-1.1388305

http://www.thedailyobserver.ca/2013/09/06/brian-goddards-murder-trial-delayed-again

 

[Figuring]

OK, open up Victoria Love fb and type in "likes" or "commented on" beside her name and a drop down list of searches come up. Chose the one you want and start looking. You can do lots of searches this way: photos tagged in, photos of friends, etc but don't post the photos of other people here. You can summarize the info, etc.

Oh my goodness, I don't get it, I'm sorry? Where do I type this? In the search bar??? It just takes me off her page?

Never MIND!: I had to change my FB from "English UK" to "English US" to enable this function. It is only implimented for English US as yet. Thank you!

 

[codeofhonour]

Omfg ( please be professional with these acronyms)WoW. I wonder if that should be handed over to police. Comments about the killing of an Aboriginal woman then this with Loretta's death. Makes me wonder if she also killed melissa.

Think about it put the comment together with what she is charged with now.

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I am not sure if she is Aboriginal. In this article it mentions that the deceased is a native ( small capital) of Petawawa .Do you have support that Mellissa was aboriginal??

A lot can be inferred incorrectly from one comment, at minimum it does show insensitivity.

I would look up prior dates and and her LKA ( last know address ) in Ontario to see if it would deserve merit to look into such a possibility. I don't know anything about that case, just my two cents.

http://m.ottawasun.com/2013/08/02/cops-question-husband-in-melissa-richmond-murder

 

[otto]

Is a max of 25 years standard for murder in Canada or is it specific to this case. I read everything yesterday and may have missed why they only get 25 years versus life with no parole.

I think that a 2nd degree murder is usually 10 years before parole eligibility and 1st degree murder is 25 years before parole eligibility. There is no guarantee that parole will be granted, but I think it's rare that it is denied. Pre-trial prison time counts as double time, and is subtracted from the total sentence. For example, two years in prison before trial means that four years is subtracted from the sentence. Only prisoners with dangerous offender status can be held for life without parole, but that requires a special hearing where specific circumstances have to be met, like multiple murders.

 

[mye400can]

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I am not sure if she is Aboriginal. In this article it mentions that the deceased is a native ( small capital) of Petawawa .Do you have support that Mellissa was aboriginal??

A lot can be inferred incorrectly from one comment, at minimum it does show insensitivity.

I would look up prior dates and and her LKA ( last know address ) in Ontario to see if it would deserve merit to look into such a possibility. I don't know anything about that case, just my two cents.

Your right I just assumed she was Aboriginal because I saw the word native.

Sorry about that.

 

[JimMk]

Ok, I'm not that familiar with the Richmond case, but an article I just read says that she and her husband were into live-action medieval role-playing games, and that Mr. Richmons had some medieval swords in his home. On the Victoria Love FB, she has a picture of Vlad the Impaler's castle,and 2 pics of some swords. Perhaps VL knew this couple through these games? Just wondering.

 

[otto]

Thanks. I don't understand this whatsoever. I strongly believe that certain crimes, specifically murder, should not allow you to ever see the outside of prison ever.

There's a lot of debate about what is an appropriate sentence for murder. Some countries lean more towards punishment (US) and other countries lean more towards rehabilitation (some EU countries). Canada seems to be fall somewhere in the middle where no one is thrown away and left to die in prison (except dangerous offenders), but the sentence is long enough for there to be some rehabilitation.

 

[mye400can]

Am I seeing a resemblance of Loretta and Melissa?

 

[matou]

Am I seeing a resemblance of Loretta and Melissa?

Yes I thought so right away but never mentioned it. Very strange. Especially since VL commented on this case.

 

[otto]

I agree so much with at least two-thirds of your comment. So well said.

Reagrding the part bolded by me, I wonder if you have read the opinion piece at this link:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/trying-to-make-sense-of-loretta-saunders-death-1.2555237

I think they have a point. It's hard to say that they have no reasons to feel abandoned, or worse, sometimes.

Here are a few snipped parts:

Quote: ...
If you’re reading this, take it as my statement. I refuse to speculate about Loretta’s death. What I do know is that our society has discarded indigenous women and girls in much the same manner for generations. These people were playing out a script that we all know intimately, but never acknowledge.
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And so we continue to look to indigenous peoples like the savages we imagine them to be. Meanwhile, Loretta is dumped in a ditch in a province that once paid European invaders for the scalps of Mi’kmaq women, children, and men, repeating a centuries-old pattern in ways that are much too familiar to be a coincidence, to be irony, to be senseless. But these are the most common qualifiers I read about Loretta’s life and death.
...

The comment about scalps is based on something that happened in 1749. In WW2, the skin of Jewish people was used for making lamp shades. These things should not be forgotten, but it should also be recognized that much has changed in the last 300 years.

 

[Truth Prevails]

:welcome5: Welcome to all the new members on Ws. !



Hot political button? Video at link.

"Watch: Opposition MPs want action in wake of Loretta Saunders murder"

http://globalnews.ca/news/1177701/c...quiry-into-missing-murdered-aboriginal-women/

Quote at about 34 seconds in of 1st video: "Aboriginal women make up 10% of all female homicides; though they are only 3% of the female population."

 

[Bravo]

There's a lot of debate about what is an appropriate sentence for murder. Some countries lean more towards punishment (US) and other countries lean more towards rehabilitation (some EU countries). Canada seems to be fall somewhere in the middle where no one is thrown away and left to die in prison (except dangerous offenders), but the sentence is long enough for there to be some rehabilitation.

Agree. And at the end of the 25 years there is no guarantee of parole being granted. Depends on the crime. Nature of the crime and conduct while incarcerated.

 

[matou]

VL commented on this photo of a medieval style dress although I can't find her comment yet LOL!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...on4y3aGl18Ezz1nOjdkVKIS5HhBMa11rbrdFw&theater

 

[newone]

Am I seeing a resemblance of Loretta and Melissa?

yes.....very interesting

 

[otto]

IMO found her comment on this a bit odd...

Isn't that interesting! It looks like she followed crimes in Canada and commented on them. He was arrested and is using the PTSD defence (based on time in Afghanistan), but it also looks like they were in financial trouble and she was looking outside the marriage.

 

[elepher50]

Here is Melissa Richmond thread on WS:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217662&highlight=melissa+richmond

 

[Truth Prevails]

IMO found her comment on this a bit odd...

You can find it here on the stations Facebook page... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...KAN7ljyzaFp2HWJkmAv3rDYAyi_h9eJYqJUWu&theater

Wow. Great catch!! How interesting that about 6 months later she would be in a situation similar to the person she was defending.

At the very least, it sounds like she was paying close attention.

 

[codeofhonour]

Ok, I'm not that familiar with the Richmond case, but an article I just read says that she and her husband were into live-action medieval role-playing games, and that Mr. Richmons had some medieval swords in his home. On the Victoria Love FB, she has a picture of Vlad the Impaler's castle,and 2 pics of some swords. Perhaps VL knew this couple through these games? Just wondering.

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On a cursory glance ( even if it was validated that they lived in the same area and at the same time ) I don't think there would be a significant probable chance they were even in the same social circles.

If geographic linkage was validated; I would look at possible stronger connections.

It was mentioned that Victoria was an administrator for DND ( this claim would have to be validated ). The accused was at the time a 25 year warrant officer in the Canadian Armed Forces and has been posted to mapping and charting establishment in Ottawa for years, according to friends.
. // one possibility

It has come to surface that Victoria at one time was a prostitute.This could potentially put these two together.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10285905&highlight=Prostitute#post10285905

// another possibility

Iron sharpeneth Iron.

 

[Truth Prevails]

The comment about scalps is based on something that happened in 1749. In WW2, the skin of Jewish people was used for making lamp shades. These things should not be forgotten, but it should also be recognized that much has changed in the last 300 years.

History has a way of repeating itself.

It's good to take a minute and look back sometimes, least we forget.

The author of that piece is Darryl Leroux who: "...teaches sociology and criminology in K’jipuktuk, Sikep’nekatik district, Mi’kma’ki. He was supervising Loretta Saunders' honours degree thesis, on missing and murdered indigenous women...."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/trying-to-make-sense-of-loretta-saunders-death-1.2555237

 

[JimMk]

Yes, VH's "connection" to the military crossed my mind as well. As did the prostitute revelation. She seems to have been friendly with a few soldiers on here FB page.