GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[matou]

Is a max of 25 years standard for murder in Canada or is it specific to this case. I read everything yesterday and may have missed why they only get 25 years versus life with no parole.

25 years is the standard maximum sentence in Canada. When an offender has 'dangerous offender' status, they may be incarcerated indefinitely, as with Paul Bernardo.

 

[Bravo]

Is a max of 25 years standard for murder in Canada or is it specific to this case. I read everything yesterday and may have missed why they only get 25 years versus life with no parole.

25 years is standard for Murder 1. Here is a link you may find of interest



http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/745-sentence-life-imprisonment

 

[Bravo]

25 years is the standard maximum sentence in Canada. When an offender has 'dangerous offender' status, they may be incarcerated indefinitely, as with Paul Bernardo.

Agree. However if we look at Rafferty (Tori Stafford murder) he didn't fit the criteria for the dangerous offenders act. Yet he will never see the light of day. I know there is an article somewhere discussing this. I'll try to find it and come back with.

 

[mye400can]

Question: can both of them be served same sentence even of one of them did not actually comment the murder?

Asking because I believe they both should get convicted to life in prison.

 

[codeofhonour]

Yes , sadly it is a matter of when not if since he is already receiving time out unescorted. This will keep building till he is eventually released. Such a shame.

When he gets full release, may it be only in that of the town of his victim.Then I am sure he will feel that an institutionalize setting would be better for all parties.

 

[Bravo]

Question: can both of them be served same sentence even of one of them did not actually comment the murder?

Asking because I believe they both should get convicted to life in prison.

Yes. Sorry to keep referencing the Tori Stafford case. Both were convicted on Murder 1. It was never proven exactly who did what. McClintic's story kept changing. It was him. It was me. It didn't matter. It was planned and both were present. Neither did anything to stop it.

 

[matou]

Yes. Sorry to keep referencing the Tori Stafford case. Both were convicted on Murder 1. It was never proven exactly who did what. McClintic's story kept changing. It was him. It was me. It didn't matter. It was planned and both were present. Neither did anything to stop it.

Yes, and there was kidnapping with death so both got the murder conviction. It seems that Loretta was killed in her apartment IMO. The police called this a homicide before her body was found. So they likely transported her dead body to NB. If Loretta was still alive before being dumped in NB, there could be an additional kidnapping charge and both would have the murder charges automatically. Since both are charges with first degree murder, I believe Loretta was already dead in Halifax at the hands of the two perps. JMO

 

[Bravo]

Yes, and there was kidnapping with death so both got the murder conviction. It seems that Loretta was killed in her apartment IMO. The police called this a homicide before her body was found. So they likely transported her dead body to NB. If Loretta was still alive before being dumped in NB, there could be an additional kidnapping charge and both would have the murder charges automatically. Since both are charges with first degree murder, I believe Loretta was already dead in Halifax at the hands of the two perps. JMO

Agree

 

[Truth Prevails]

See the mother of dartmouth's Jennifer Horne has spoken after Loretta's murder.
http://thechronicleherald.ca/letter...tating-reality-of-murder#.UxHfLB9yNrY.twitterhttp://thechronicleherald.ca/letters/1190495-reader-s-corner-the-devastating-reality-of-murder#.UxHfLB9yNrY.twitter


Details from then:

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.872243

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.885436

Thank you so much for adding this, PonderingNS!

This beautifuly lady has described why pain of loss knows no racial, aboriginal, or ethnicity boundries.

We all hurt just the same. Hugs to her and her family.

Quote: The reality is that our daughters and sons are being taken away from us by people who do not have compassion for our children or human beings. The reality is a mother and father crying over their child’s grave, the families never being complete again. It’s the pain of a mother and father never holding their child, never being able to give hugs or kisses, or hearing their child’s laughter or consoling their child’s tears or pain, and the guilt of not being able to help them in the first place.

 

[kdgdid]

Question: can both of them be served same sentence even of one of them did not actually comment the murder?

Asking because I believe they both should get convicted to life in prison.

Yes in this case both have been charged with !st degree. Even if 1 of them did not participate if they participated in the planning they are equally guilty.

 

[mye400can]

Don't know if it is just me but I got the feeling that Loretta's family knew that Loretta was dead.

I can't remember what interviews with the media they were but Loretta's sister and brother was talking about past tense this was before they cought the suspects (loretta's sister: "she had a wonderful soul" and not "she has a wonderful soul") and I can't remember what her brother said but it was said as past tense.

Anyone else feel like they already knew?

 

[Truth Prevails]

Very classy family imo.
bbm.

http://www.novanewsnow.com/News/Reg...oretta-Saunders-family-grateful-for-support/1

"Coffey told The Telegram the outburst did not come from any of Saunders’ relatives as the family is determined to let the justice system do its work.

“We didn’t say anything in anger,” Coffey said.

Seeing Leggette in court was obviously difficult, and Saunders’ siblings who were present had hoped Leggette would look them in the face, but he did not, she said.

In a show of the family’s strength, Coffey said Saunders’ parents, Miriam and Clayton, who are mourning for their daughter in Happy Valley-Goose Bay, are also praying for the family of the accused.

“My family are not selfless,” Coffey said.

“Even when we are hurting, this is part of who we are.”

I agree. Very gracious.
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From your link, so simply said:

A spray painted sign on a snowbank in Happy Valley-Goose Bay ...

 

[Truth Prevails]

When he gets full release, may it be only in that of the town of his victim.Then I am sure he will feel that an institutionalize setting would be better for all parties.

We can be quite sure that they won't do that, though.

They will quitely place him first in a similar area, but a distance away.

Only when it's too late to do anything will he be allowed to return home.

As they did with the murderer of Amber Kirwan--first Truro, then home to New Glasgow when he had 'full parole.' Only to brutally take Amber's life within 6 months.

 

[PonderingNS]

Thank you so much for adding this, PonderingNS!

This beautifuly lady has described why pain of loss knows no racial, aboriginal, or ethnicity boundries.

We all hurt just the same. Hugs to her and her family.

Quote: The reality is that our daughters and sons are being taken away from us by people who do not have compassion for our children or human beings. The reality is a mother and father crying over their child’s grave, the families never being complete again. It’s the pain of a mother and father never holding their child, never being able to give hugs or kisses, or hearing their child’s laughter or consoling their child’s tears or pain, and the guilt of not being able to help them in the first place.

Your welcome. Reading it touched me too with how the painful loss goes on for years to come , long after the media attention fades away. We realize it but sometimes we can forget this aspect once the case fades from the headlines.
My heart ached for this family all over again.

 

[hockeymom4]

25 years is standard for Murder 1. Here is a link you may find of interest



http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/745-sentence-life-imprisonment

Thanks. I don't understand this whatsoever. I strongly believe that certain crimes, specifically murder, should not allow you to ever see the outside of prison ever.

 

[KatieLiz]

Don't know if it is just me but I got the feeling that Loretta's family knew that Loretta was dead.

I can't remember what interviews with the media they were but Loretta's sister and brother was talking about past tense this was before they cought the suspects (loretta's sister: "she had a wonderful soul" and not "she has a wonderful soul") and I can't remember what her brother said but it was said as past tense.

Anyone else feel like they already knew?

This is my first time posting here, but I have been reading the boards on several cases as a guest for around 2 years.

In response to her family possibly knowing she was already dead, I think you're on the right track. Just me thinking out loud but I wonder if the police found a crime scene in the apartment that VH and BL had tried to clean up? So the family had a good idea she was already gone, but the police instructed them to keep quiet from the media until one of them cracked and told them where the body was? Just a thought...

 

[Truth Prevails]

Don't know if it is just me but I got the feeling that Loretta's family knew that Loretta was dead.

I can't remember what interviews with the media they were but Loretta's sister and brother was talking about past tense this was before they cought the suspects (loretta's sister: "she had a wonderful soul" and not "she has a wonderful soul") and I can't remember what her brother said but it was said as past tense.

Anyone else feel like they already knew?

Perhaps law enforcement gave them a bit more info at the time than the public was aware of--just something to help them not get their hopes too high.

Also, as they believe Loretta was murdered in her/the alleged murderer's apartment--possibly the family had a right to be notified that it was a crime scene so they would not enter.

 

[Alison]

I have been following this case for a while now, just have not have time to post. I am truly saddened that these monsters felt that they had the right to end a beautiful promising woman's young life. How dare they. My anger rises as I know that here in Canada they will never truly be punished as they should be.
On another note:
While I truly believe that missing and or murdered Aboriginal/Indigenous Women is a real issue I believe that as a whole, we as a society need to look at violent crimes committed against the vulnerable/devalued members of our society. How many homeless, developmentally delayed people, prostituting members etc within our society have been subjected to abuse (or worse) due to their societal value? How many of them have been abused or worse because the perpetrators think no one will believe them, or that no one will even notice/care about what has happened to them. Until society actually values everyone equally there will always be the ones who are specifically targeted due to their status. If people feel that her death needs to be used as a means to propagate their own agenda then please, use it as a means to make examples of all those who are devalued, not just one particular group.

 

[hockeymom4]

I recently learned about Loretta and just can't stop thinking about her. I see a beautiful person who seemed to love life and had changed her life for the better after battling addiction, which is something hard to do. She was working on a thesis, which shows she was furthering her education. She was in a relationship and going to become a mother and has a family who appears loving and amazing! A family that in their grieving is praying for the accused families. Her family is a family that I look to for strength and courage. I will keep her family in my thoughts and prayers.

 

[Truth Prevails]

This is my first time posting here, but I have been reading the boards on several cases as a guest for around 2 years.

In response to her family possibly knowing she was already dead, I think you're on the right track. Just me thinking out loud but I wonder if the police found a crime scene in the apartment that VH and BL had tried to clean up? So the family had a good idea she was already gone, but the police instructed them to keep quiet from the media until one of them cracked and told them where the body was? Just a thought...

Welcome, KatieLiz!

We seem to be on the same page today.

(My apologies for posting the same thought--I only saw yours once I had mine entered.)