GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[mye400can]

Just looking at their timeline again and thinking of the case of Sara Coates the young woman who lived in her van with her catsand a dog. She seemed to have a transient lifestyle too. I noticed that Victoria was in Calgary that summer and then left in Aug.
While it is likely nothing I thought it worth posting just incase as her van was found on native land a year later.
Silly question but did VH ever post pics of her cats ?
http://m.calgarysun.com/2013/05/09/...-sara-coates-who-hasnt-been-seen-since-august
Van found :
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/police-recover-van-of-woman-missing-since-last-year-1.1513885

I could be wrong but the fb page that has the leafs advertar I could be wrong but I swear I saw cats in her profile or timeline images.

 

[otto]

Ok they must have changed their sex to female on Facebook to perhaps keep some attention away however they have pics of LS on their wall and friends post under the pics that they are thinking of " them" when LS was missing. It certainly seems as it they still had a relationship from the comments .

That certainly helps put the puzzle pieces into place. The live in boyfriend was not the only man in the picture, so that might explain why he didn't sound the alarm when he see didn't Loretta her for a few days. If she was also spending time with another boyfriend, it also suggests that Loretta wouldn't always tell her live in boyfriend what she was doing. It also puts the pregnancy partner into question.

The other connection it makes for me is the link between Loretta and Blake. Blake was arrested with marijuana in Drumheller, and Loretta was arrested for trafficking marijuana in Goose Bay. Since Loretta was still connected with the man that she was with when she was dealing drugs, it's not out of the question that there was some present day connection with drugs.

 

[otto]

The connection might be the murder, no?

The connection that interests me is that Loretta's partner, per her family, is the man she was arrested with in 2008. What this spells out, whether we like it or not, is a clear commonality between Loretta and her murderers with illegal drugs.

 

[otto]

About the rent:

The apartment building is managed by "Timbercreek" cheap rent building management with quality apartments.

Where they owning back pay anyone know?

As rent is (see image)

So sounds like we have a few options to figure out.

1.) Did they owe back rent?
2.) Did Loretta want them to pay more then half of rent (it makes sence since it was 2 of them plus Loretta so Loretta should not have to pay half but less then half)

Maybe some of you have options?

The live in boyfriend said that Loretta was going to collect $700, which was owed "rent money". Was that a euphemism? We heard that Victoria and Blake were subletting from Loretta, but later it became clear that they were three roommates.

We all asked why she would let two strangers; unemployed persons without references, sublet without providing rent money and damage deposit prior to moving in. Maybe it wasn't rent money. Maybe it was rent money, but why was it $700 if it was February rent for a shared apartment that did not cost $1400/month?

 

[otto]

Just looking at their timeline again and thinking of the case of Sara Coates the young woman who lived in her van with her catsand a dog. She seemed to have a transient lifestyle too. I noticed that Victoria was in Calgary that summer and then left in Aug.
While it is likely nothing I thought it worth posting just incase as her van was found on native land a year later.
Silly question but did VH ever post pics of her cats ?
http://m.calgarysun.com/2013/05/09/police-seeks-leads-in-disappearance-of-calgary-woman-sara-coates-who-hasnt-been-seen-since-august
Van found :
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/police-recover-van-of-woman-missing-since-last-year-1.1513885

She did. There's a photo of a cat on her Victoria Love facebook pictures. It's a cat with some white, but different colours around the eyes. It's a different cat than in the pictures of Sara Coates.

It's interesting that Sara Coates was last seen in August, her vehicle is hidden 50 miles West, and Victoria left Calgary (heading West) at the same time.

 

[mye400can]

The live in boyfriend said that Loretta was going to collect $700, which was owed "rent money". Was that a euphemism? We heard that Victoria and Blake were subletting from Loretta, but later it became clear that they were three roommates.

We all asked why she would let two strangers; unemployed persons without references, sublet without providing rent money and damage deposit prior to moving in. Maybe it wasn't rent money. Maybe it was rent money, but why was it $700 if it was February rent for a shared apartment that did not cost $1400/month?

My question is why did the live in boyfriend not go with her to collect the money? I mean she tried to contact the 2 prior to going to the apartment.

The lack of contact with them after trying to get a hold of them would put a red flag with me and I would have went with her.
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[PonderingNS]

She did. There's a photo of a cat on her Victoria Love facebook pictures. It's a cat with some white, but different colours around the eyes. It's a different cat than in the pictures of Sara Coates.

It's interesting that Sara Coates was last seen in August, her vehicle is hidden 50 miles West, and Victoria left Calgary (heading West) at the same time.

Thanks, Sara is reported to have been travelling with three cats and her dog but only a pic of the one ginger colored one. Anyway it is likely nothing but ...

 

[otto]

My question is why did the live in boyfriend not go with her to collect the money? I mean she tried to contact the 2 prior to going to the apartment.

The lack of contact with them after trying to get a hold of them would put a red flag with me and I would have went with her.

So does he know something or is he part of it??

Do we know that she tried to contact Victoria and Blake when she was at the live-in boyfriend's apartment? I don't recall reading that. I think that might have been part of speculations based on police information about Loretta on video leaving her shared apartment (false information ... I'm sure they have footage, but not of her leaving alive). We assumed that if she was seen leaving her apartment and the taxi at 2:30 was a possible witness, then Victoria and Blake were not home when she went to collect "rent".

If Loretta was still seeing the other boyfriend (from 6 years earlier), then I can easily understand that Loretta compartmentalized her life, and she wouldn't want her live-in boyfriend to accompany her when she went out.

 

[otto]

I am so confused.... So her current bf and father of her child was YS, but in one obit, Robbie was mentioned?!? What am I missing?

I think it's not clear that the live-in boyfriend was the father in the three week pregnancy. That would explain why the live-in boyfriend would not confirm the pregnancy.

 

[otto]

Ok, let me rephrase that... Why was another guy mentioned instead of the live in boyfriend? Are you saying he wasn't the dad? Where are you getting any of this from? I swear I read somewhere he talked about the pregnancy...no?

Thought she was around three months?

The live in boyfriend said that Loretta reported that she was a few weeks pregnant. He said that she was going to get blood tests to find out if she was pregnant, but that she had not yet done that.

"Surkultay said Saunders was not three months pregnant, as has previously been reported, but said she took a pregnancy test a few weeks ago that was positive. He said she was going to have a blood test done to confirm it."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...oyfriend-she-meant-everything-to-me-1.2545968

Loretta's brother said on Feb 18 that Loretta reported being pregnant three weeks earlier. I don't know where the "three months" came from.

Feb 18, 2014
"Edmund [brother] says Saunders phoned him about three weeks ago to tell him she was pregnant. He says she was excited about the pregnancy."

http://missingpeople.ca/2014/02/missing-woman-in-halifax-loretta-saunders-26/

With the new information about the boyfriend from six years ago being her "partner", I think we have to wonder who was the father. Even if the other boyfriend was the father, Loretta may have viewed the live-in boyfriend as more stable in terms of having a place to live ... who knows.

 

[mye400can]

Do we know that she tried to contact Victoria and Blake when she was at the live-in boyfriend's apartment? I don't recall reading that. I think that might have been part of speculations based on police information about Loretta on video leaving her shared apartment (false information ... I'm sure they have footage, but not of her leaving alive). We assumed that if she was seen leaving her apartment and the taxi at 2:30 was a possible witness, then Victoria and Blake were not home when she went to collect "rent".

If Loretta was still seeing the other boyfriend (from 6 years earlier), then I can easily understand that Loretta compartmentalized her life, and she wouldn't want her live-in boyfriend to accompany her when she went out.

According to the media what was said is that she tried to contact them a few days before heading over to collect.

I could be wrong but the media said that the live in bf said that.

 

[otto]

I have to wonder if the "three months pregnant" claim was a misunderstanding where ... she found out three weeks earlier that she was pregnant, and that morphed into she was three months pregnant. It does sound far more dramatic when a woman is going into her second trimester and she is murdered than when a woman might be three weeks pregnant and it is completely unknown whether she plans to carry the pregnancy.

 

[otto]

According to the media what was said is that she tried to contact them a few days before heading over to collect.

I could be wrong but the media said that the live in bf said that.

That's quite possible ... that she phoned them in early February to tell them that she needs $700, and then she went there a few days later to collect $700.

 

[Figuring]

Just looking at their timeline again and thinking of the case of Sara Coates the young woman who lived in her van with her catsand a dog. She seemed to have a transient lifestyle too. I noticed that Victoria was in Calgary that summer and then left in Aug.
While it is likely nothing I thought it worth posting just incase as her van was found on native land a year later.
Silly question but did VH ever post pics of her cats ?
http://m.calgarysun.com/2013/05/09/...-sara-coates-who-hasnt-been-seen-since-august
Van found :
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/police-recover-van-of-woman-missing-since-last-year-1.1513885

VH posted this about a dog, and I don't recall anyone else posting it on here?
Username same as on some of her other social media "metalmaggot44"
Also it is clearly her in the profile pic

VID-20120314-00000 - YouTube

 

[PonderingNS]

Thanks, different dog. Thankfully.

 

[Karjinx]

I'm reading between the lines here, and think you are suggesting that BL is a good mate for VH. :blushing:

I wasn't suggesting that at all. It never crossed my mind.

 

[newone]

Perhaps the blood tests that Yalcin referred to were for paternity not just pregnancy and that is why there was some confusion over the pregnancy length as well ?? He likely didn't want to mention that part.

I agree with your theory....

 

[newone]

methadone treatment is to get off of the drugs of oxycodone and/or oxycontin can't remember what one but its one or both.

it's also used for heroin addiction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone

 

[newone]

That certainly helps put the puzzle pieces into place. The live in boyfriend was not the only man in the picture, so that might explain why he didn't sound the alarm when he see didn't Loretta her for a few days. If she was also spending time with another boyfriend, it also suggests that Loretta wouldn't always tell her live in boyfriend what she was doing. It also puts the pregnancy partner into question.

The other connection it makes for me is the link between Loretta and Blake. Blake was arrested with marijuana in Drumheller, and Loretta was arrested for trafficking marijuana in Goose Bay. Since Loretta was still connected with the man that she was with when she was dealing drugs, it's not out of the question that there was some present day connection with drugs.

Without actual ''proof'' one could wonder if they still had overlapping circles of contact with support groups for example (like 12 step etc). <--- looking for a positive reason here. Even if they had some connections through sobriety networks etc they might still be ''supporting'' each other through their struggles.

Since I have not seen the FB posts, I can't comment on the nature of relationship of RF/LS but I wonder if it could have been a long standing family kind of friendship. The age difference is a biggie a 20 yr old and an almost 40 yr old???

 

[newone]

The connection that interests me is that Loretta's partner, per her family, is the man she was arrested with in 2008. What this spells out, whether we like it or not, is a clear commonality between Loretta and her murderers with illegal drugs.

Just to keep this in fair perspective for ''netiquette'' -- ''past documented history'' of illegal drugs....((sounds nitpicky I know)):blushing: