GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[kdgdid]

That's very true. Lots of people have a daily pot smoking habit and they function quite well. What we know is that both the victim and the suspects had some prior connection to pot. Given the amount that Loretta had, either she was a daily user, or she profited from the sale of pot. Blake had a personal amount of pot. This leaves me wondering whether this is the thread that connects the victim to the suspects.

Additionally, regarding the $700, the live-in boyfriend said that this was rent money, but to believe that, we also have to believe that a university educated woman gave her apartment keys to two complete strangers; unemployed drug using drifters, and required nothing in exchange. That doesn't sound true no matter how I look at it. If Loretta did this out of the kindness of her heart, why, on Feb 9, did Victoria express such animosity towards Loretta?

We also do not know what type of arrangement that LS had with V&B and we do not know that she was aware of their lifestyle. We have to remember that V was a known liar and we do not know what LS was told about how they were to pay the rent.

Has it been established how much rent actually was on the apt or is it possible rent was to be split 3 ways?

 

[Roxy Monoxide]

That's very true. Lots of people have a daily pot smoking habit and they function quite well. What we know is that both the victim and the suspects had some prior connection to pot. Given the amount that Loretta had, either she was a daily user, or she profited from the sale of pot. Blake had a personal amount of pot. This leaves me wondering whether this is the thread that connects the victim to the suspects.

Additionally, regarding the $700, the live-in boyfriend said that this was rent money, but to believe that, we also have to believe that a university educated woman gave her apartment keys to two complete strangers; unemployed drug using drifters, and required nothing in exchange. That doesn't sound true no matter how I look at it. If Loretta did this out of the kindness of her heart, why, on Feb 9, did Victoria express such animosity towards Loretta?

there are so many unanswered questions at this point, which lead to tons of speculations.. they could have come-off as friendly & nice at first and then things went sour, it could have been somehow related to drugs (my personal opinion is that this is not true - but i could be wrong).. there's just no way to know until they release more info, i'm assuming/hoping on the 19th when BL/VH are back in court. i wish we could find some more info on BL or VH (but especially BL) that could give us something. and all these inconsistencies among news reports, etc doesn't help at all! :banghead:

 

[otto]

There was some confusion as to whether Loretta had connected with Black and Victoria through kijiji or through her boyfriend. Has it been considered that the boyfriend that was being referred to was the "friend" listed in the original obituary?

That's quite possible. We don't know what is meant by "boyfriend" and "partner" anymore.

 

[otto]

We also do not know what type of arrangement that LS had with V&B and we do not know that she was aware of their lifestyle. We have to remember that V was a known liar and we do not know what LS was told about how they were to pay the rent.

Has it been established how much rent actually was on the apt or is it possible rent was to be split 3 ways?

Someone posted a couple of days ago that a one bedroom is about $710 and a two bedroom is about $820. Since Loretta was still living in the apartment, and Blake/Victoria joined her in February, I don't know where $700 fits in terms of rent. I also don't know why Loretta would give these two the keys to her apartment with nothing in exchange.

A quick online search reveals the cross country travels of Blake/Victoria. What sort of lifestyle, on the surface, would one expect looking at the 25 and 28 year old?

 

[elepher50]

Someone posted a couple of days ago that a one bedroom is about $710 and a two bedroom is about $820. Since Loretta was still living in the apartment, and Blake/Victoria joined her in February, I don't know where $700 fits in terms of rent. I also don't know why Loretta would give these two the keys to her apartment with nothing in exchange.

A quick online search reveals the cross country travels of Blake/Victoria. What sort of lifestyle, on the surface, would one expect looking at the 25 and 28 year old?

RSBM:

I am thinking that maybe they moved into the apartment in January which would mean LS was looking for $700 for 1/2 of the rent for January and February. Do we know exactly when they moved in - I know February has been mentioned but haven't seen anything really factual on that.

VH and BL are grifters and live for the moment - that is what I would expect of their lifestyle. Each had outstanding warrants prior to being arrested and charged with the 1st degree murder of LS. These two are not winners by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[kdgdid]

Someone posted a couple of days ago that a one bedroom is about $710 and a two bedroom is about $820. Since Loretta was still living in the apartment, and Blake/Victoria joined her in February, I don't know where $700 fits in terms of rent. I also don't know why Loretta would give these two the keys to her apartment with nothing in exchange.

A quick online search reveals the cross country travels of Blake/Victoria. What sort of lifestyle, on the surface, would one expect looking at the 25 and 28 year old?

A lot of the information we have on V has come from people that were friends on her pg.

V also used different surnames so many that is impossible to trace who she really is.

We do not know what the 700 included did it include groceries, utilities, phone, cable etc.

IMO there are to many unknowns to come to conclusions.

I am not saying that your theories are not correct. I am saying I honestly do not know.

The picture that you shared may not even be what they looked like when they became room mates. BL's hair was short in court and we do not know what V's hair colour or style was as she changed it often. She may also of taken the body jewellery out.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Police also said that there was video of Loretta leaving the apartment. We now know that there was no video of her leaving the apartment on her own two feet. Although police have said that they believe they have the people responsible, and at the time of the arrest of Victoria and Blake they did not anticipate additional arrests, today is a different day.

I am still trying to understand how this could have happened. Any thoughts on why an educated 26 year old woman would give her apartment keys to a couple of homeless, unemployed, drug using drifters?

BBM - Link, please.

How quickly we forget the facts ...

February 20, 2014
“She went to get her rent Thursday and said if they didn’t have it she’ll tell them they have to leave. When she got there they weren’t home. She phoned them, apparently, and told them they had to leave.”

Video surveillance from the apartment shows her leaving the apartment on Thursday, Feb. 13, alone. It does not appear she was followed, said Mr. Saunders."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...ng-halifax-student-who-disappeared-last-week/

Feb 27, 2014
"Perrin confirmed that police suspect Saunders was killed Feb. 13 in an apartment located at 41 Cowie Hill Dr. That's the address of the unit where Leggette and Henneberry lived with Saunders"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ates-charged-with-1st-degree-murder-1.2554052

So let me get this straight according to your links:

Loretta`s brother--with no authority--said that video surveillance showed Loretta leaving her apartment and it did not appear that she was being followed.

Then in your next link you provide a statement from law enforcement confirming where the police believe Loretta was murdered, with no mention of a surveillance video showing or not showing anything.

You are making a big leap with no facts on which to base your conclusions, imho, of course.

I guess the lack of answer to my question is the answer.

There is no link to support your statement that there is no video.

Thank you.

 

[mye400can]

Anyone know why the autopsy outcome has not been in the news?

Is it because the case is before the courts? If so and correct me of I'm wrong but why are other autopsys published when a case is before the courts?

 

[kdgdid]

Anyone know why the autopsy outcome has not been in the news?

Is it because the case is before the courts? If so and correct me of I'm wrong but why are other autopsys published when a case is before the courts?

i do not remember other autopsy reports being published before the case has gone to court. I am trying to think of Canadian cases that I have followed and I am honestly not coming up with any Sorry

 

[Truth Prevails]

There was some confusion as to whether Loretta had connected with Black and Victoria through kijiji or through her boyfriend. Has it been considered that the boyfriend that was being referred to was the "friend" listed in the original obituary?

Welcome to the thread, Notsherlock!

Nope, the only mention of Loretta being connected to her alleged murderers through Yalcin was someone`s therory based on Facebook rumours.

Her current boyfriend, Yalcin, and the father of her unborn child, is also considered a victim in this case.

Facebook rumours are not allowed to be discussed here.

Bumping the following for review.

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[mye400can]

i do not remember other autopsy reports being published before the case has gone to court. I am trying to think of Canadian cases that I have followed and I am honestly not coming up with any Sorry

Ok thanks. I just wanted to know. I guess results of an autopsy are said if its not before the courts or if no suspects have been found I guess?

 

[PonderingNS]

Did snyone keep their screenshot if the post VH made about owing LS the rent ? I had it but cant find it now. She was talking smack about her and said something along the lines of ... Let's see how she does next month with no money and she has to pay the rent here AND at her boyfriends . ( It was the and at her boyfriends part that stuck with me and made me remember it)
I have seen a couple of posts in the media now that LS went "to pick up the cheque" but the cheque was not there according to her boyfriend. So that would imply she spoke with him afterwards . which I think we knew but wouldn't she have said where she was going next ?

 

[Truth Prevails]

Either is possible where the arrest was made is a remote area I am sure that if a person was into smoking pot and had an opportunity to purchase a larger amount in another area then that is what you would do so it would last for a while.

We do not know who it actually belonged to, either person in the home or both.

We also do not know if either or both were convicted.

BBM - Very good point.

 

[Truth Prevails]

RSBM:

I am thinking that maybe they moved into the apartment in January which would mean LS was looking for $700 for 1/2 of the rent for January and February. Do we know exactly when they moved in - I know February has been mentioned but haven't seen anything really factual on that.

VH and BL are grifters and live for the moment - that is what I would expect of their lifestyle. Each had outstanding warrants prior to being arrested and charged with the 1st degree murder of LS. These two are not winners by any stretch of the imagination.

This is the only link I have seen regarding the amount Loretta was trying to collect:

Quote: The St. Mary’s University student was last seen on February 13 as she set off to collect $700 from a young couple living in her apartment, which she had rented out to pay bills after moving in with Mr Surkultay.
http://www.news.com.au/world/missin...canadian-highway/story-fndir2ev-1226840941577

I haven`t seen anything confirming when these two accused moved in with Loretta, or at least began living in Loretta`s apartment.

That sum could have represented their share of two months rent. From the unverified time line, it appears the pair were still in Calgary in November of 2013, but were in Halifax by at least January of 2013.

There is nothing to suggest that Loretta just let these two grifters move in with her--they could have had false references for all we know.

 

[appleeye]

One a group, VH states she is a university student... anyone know where and what she studied?

 

[kdgdid]

One a group, VH states she is a university student... anyone know where and what she studied?

She was suppose to be taking courses through an online University called Athabasca. I believe she indicated she enrolled in 2013 and was to graduate in 2017.

I have my doubts

In the same linkedin profile she lists that she worked for the DND for 7 years.

 

[Miranda]

I know that we have to tread lightly on this topic so I'll do my best. I believe that if you dig around you'll actually find that the Saunders and Fillier families are actually related through marriage. Goose Bay is not a big place.

I suspect that the 6 year old charges were misreported.

Please take this down if it steps over the line. My intention to put these rumors to rest- not to stir things up.

 

[otto]

So let me get this straight according to your links:

Loretta`s brother--with no authority--said that video surveillance showed Loretta leaving her apartment and it did not appear that she was being followed.

Then in your next link you provide a statement from law enforcement confirming where the police believe Loretta was murdered, with no mention of a surveillance video showing or not showing anything.

You are making a big leap with no facts on which to base your conclusions, imho, of course.

I guess the lack of answer to my question is the answer.

There is no link to support your statement that there is no video.

Thank you.

It's rather easy to search the information online. Initially it was reported that there was video of Loretta leaving the apartment, later it was reported that she was murdered in the apartment. There's no leap. If she was murdered in the apartment, she was not last seen leaving the apartment except when she was deceased.

Is there some question as to whether she went to the apartment to collect rent, left alone, didn't contact anyone during that time, then returned to the apartment and then she was murdered? Does that change anything?

 

[otto]

Anyone know why the autopsy outcome has not been in the news?

Is it because the case is before the courts? If so and correct me of I'm wrong but why are other autopsys published when a case is before the courts?

In the US, it seems like case evidence is published regardless of how an investigation is progressing. In Canada, the presumption of innocence means that case evidence is only published during trial for trial purposes.

 

[otto]

This is the only link I have seen regarding the amount Loretta was trying to collect:

Quote: The St. Mary’s University student was last seen on February 13 as she set off to collect $700 from a young couple living in her apartment, which she had rented out to pay bills after moving in with Mr Surkultay.
http://www.news.com.au/world/missin...canadian-highway/story-fndir2ev-1226840941577

I haven`t seen anything confirming when these two accused moved in with Loretta, or at least began living in Loretta`s apartment.

That sum could have represented their share of two months rent. From the unverified time line, it appears the pair were still in Calgary in November of 2013, but were in Halifax by at least January of 2013.

There is nothing to suggest that Loretta just let these two grifters move in with her--they could have had false references for all we know.

BBM

Here you are:

"Halifax police allege Saunders, 26, was killed Feb. 13, the day she was last seen, at a Halifax apartment she once shared with the two accused. Police could not say how long the three lived together."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-murdering-loretta-saunders-appears-in-court/