Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[NJSleuth91]

The article was just updated to say that AS saw the same 30-seconds as the others, not the whole thing.

I really feel like the rest of it must have information pertinent to the investigation on it, like their explanation of what happened.

Also I wonder if it's significant that the police want even the 30 second goodbye and last wishes to be strictly confidential. Because the public already knows about the existence of the video and a basic description of those 30 seconds. Do those 30 seconds reveal something too? Or is it just because it's their protocol to be as silent as possible?

 

[sandbar]

I really feel like the rest of it must have information pertinent to the investigation on it, like their explanation of what happened.

Also I wonder if it's significant that the police want even the 30 second goodbye and last wishes to be strictly confidential. Because the public already knows about the existence of the video and a basic description of those 30 seconds. Do those 30 seconds reveal something too? Or is it just because it's their protocol to be as silent as possible?

I suspect there are issues that we are prohibited from speaking about on WS at play. And it's more than likely that LE are continuing to investigate those avenues, and that this investigation won't be concluded until that investigation is wrapped up.

 

[sandbar]

"She said police may release portions of the video to the public at a future date, at which point Schmegelsky would be able to talk about the contents.

She said she expects that a public inquiry into the case will occur in the future and that her client would participate."

!!!

Obviously she's not a police officer, but I assume she has a lot of experience with this topic, so that's interesting that she believes that.

It came up, many, many threads ago, about inquiries, and inquests, and coroner's inquest (and other words that sound like that). Since the accused can't be taken to trial, there will more than likely one of those --not sure which one because they are different in different provinces.

 

[MistyWaters]

The BC coroner's service is conducting the examination into the cause(s) of Dr. Dyck's death, and not the RCMP at this point.

Perhaps there are multiple possibilities, which would make the actual cause difficult to determine.

It’s the responsibility of the Coroner’s Office to determine cause of death as their medical examiners conduct autopsies, not the RCMP.

But I agree, there may've been multiple possibilities, indicating he was attacked by two people and perhaps why both B&K were originally charged with 2nd degree murder.

I’ve also wondered if LD was drug into the bushes but he was able to survive long enough to make it to the rest stop. If that was the case, had the two thought his body was hidden and therefore wouldn’t be found, if ever, and the burning truck and camper might not’ve attracted a whole lot of attention, especially if it couldn’t be identified. Or the two could’ve claimed it was stolen, then burned. But the discovery of LDs body the same time as the burning vehicle changed everything. JMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

It came up, many, many threads ago, about inquiries, and inquests, and coroner's inquest (and other words that sound like that). Since the accused can't be taken to trial, there will more than likely one of those --not sure which one because they are different in different provinces.

So if there is an inquest, will the proceedings be open to the public to view, either during or after the fact?

 

[MistyWaters]

It came up, many, many threads ago, about inquiries, and inquests, and coroner's inquest (and other words that sound like that). Since the accused can't be taken to trial, there will more than likely one of those --not sure which one because they are different in different provinces.

A coroner’s inquest is held so safety regulations, laws or policies can be revised, amended or implemented with the hope of preventing similar, future deaths. Lay people would be unable to determine a medical cause of death so no, I’m certain a coroner’s inquest wouldn’t be held in this case.

 

[sandbar]

So if there is an inquest, will the proceedings be open to the public to view, either during or after the fact?

Maybe there's someone out there who knows? I'd have to look it up, and...

 

[copkid]

Interesting, so Alberta Press and CBC are saying Alan only saw the 30 seconds of the video that everyone else was shown but National Post is saying he saw the whole thing. Also, @NJSleuth91 that part towards the bottom of the National Post article caught my attention as well about Leonard. I mean which is it? They still haven't determined his cause of death (mind blown.) OR His cause of death has not yet been released. I've been enjoying the National Posts coverage of this whole thing but could this Tyler Dawson's reporting be that brazenly inaccurate? I'm unsure how many articles he's written on the story however.

‘It’s not an easy thing’: Father of B.C. murder suspect says he saw part of video recorded before son’s suicide

"No cause of death has been determined in Dyck’s case; the B.C. coroner’s service says the investigation is ongoing."

This quote from the National Post is "mind blowing" @SovereignSnake!
Doesn't sound like he was shot at least not fatally?
JMO

 

[Trooper]

A Coroners inquest in any country operating under the Westminster system, as Canada is, is always public, being a tax payer funded independent operation, attached to and under the auspices of the Justice Department, but of an independent authority.

UNLESS, a specific request is made by a person directly affected by the proceedings, that would be a very close family member, there is provision for this, but it isn't granted indiscriminately, it is adjudicated by a panel, generally, and a decision handed down.

Where I live, and I would think Manitoba wouldn't be much different, there would be no reservations on any one attending the inquiry, and generally, these days, the results ( the Coroners summing up, which is always very detailed and plenty of I's and T's crossed is bunged up on the website pronto, and published in daily newspapers)

A Coroner is an officer of the court, and is empowered to compel people to testify, to answer questions under apprehension of incarceration, in extreme cases of holding people in prison unless and until they answer the Coroners questions, this has happened.

So I expect the outline of the crime and the subsequent death that occurred due to the crime being made public, in the absence of the factor of the family request.

 

[Trooper]

Crime is a public matter, ( once one commits crime, one is a public figure and loses all claims to privacy in most cases ) Law enforcement is a public matter, Jurisprudence is a public matter, ie, this is all paid for out of public funds, and the procedure, and conclusions are owned, so to speak, by the public. Transparency is the obligation of a publicly funded org.

No reason that I can see that Manitoba , or British Columbia, or any of the provinces would not be operating under that proviso.

 

[sandbar]

So if there is an inquest, will the proceedings be open to the public to view, either during or after the fact?

Death Investigations and Panels - Province of British Columbia

Scroll down and you'll see the different names and foci...

 

[Trooper]

It’s the responsibility of the Coroner’s Office to determine cause of death as their medical examiners conduct autopsies, not the RCMP.

But I agree, there may've been multiple possibilities, indicating he was attacked by two people and perhaps why both B&K were originally charged with 2nd degree murder.

I’ve also wondered if LD was drug into the bushes but he was able to survive long enough to make it to the rest stop. If that was the case, had the two thought his body was hidden and therefore wouldn’t be found, if ever, and the burning truck and camper might not’ve attracted a whole lot of attention, especially if it couldn’t be identified. Or the two could’ve claimed it was stolen, then burned. But the discovery of LDs body the same time as the burning vehicle changed everything. JMO

The delay , if one could call it that, was because the burning vehicle and the dead body didn't link up, because they burned their own vehicle and took Prof Dycks. And burned his body, also.

That took a while to unravel, and it is a fair assumption to make that Prof. Dycks death, the manner of it, was ( if 'similar circumstances ' as Miss Deese and Mr Fowlers death is true , then it was terrible and made it difficult to identify. )

I don't see any anomaly in the wording of the Prof Dycks death. His family had put an embargo on it, and that's that . . it is their prerogative to do so, and it will be a matter for the Coroner to pronounce any further, bearing in mind their request, which one assumes now is a formal legal request.

 

[Trooper]

A burned body doesn't leave a lot of leeway for resolving the 'cause of death'. That is, usually, why people who murder other people burn the victims body. It's not a random decision. And not a random process, it requires a lot of well thought out steps.

It prevents a definitive exposure of the manner and means of death, and the general idea is that the body burns to infinity. This rarely happens, because the temperature required for that doesn't usually exist outside the construction of crematoriums, with the exception in the case of ferocious bushfires. Wildfires, I think they are called in Canada, etc.

And it isn't easy , setting a body on fire. There is a lot of literature out there that will explain very thoroughly what the procedure and outcome is likely to be, and because of that, it is reasonable to assume that burning Prof Dyck's body took a lot of time, and a lot, a hell of a lot of effort, and many starts and re starts, not a spur of the moment thing, by any means.

 

[MistyWaters]

If a coroner’s office is unable to determine the professor’s cause of death, how would a public inquiry into what medically caused it be helpful?

“The provincial and federal governments have the power to convene public inquiries to investigate and examine matters that implicate public policy or public concern. Throughout Canada, various commissions have been established to conduct such inquiries and make reports and/or recommendations to address the concerns raised in the inquiry and inform public policy making. “
Inquiries and Inquests

 

[kmclaren]

You might want to double check that headline, he only saw the same 30 seconds...

Oh wow! They actually let him view the entire thing, not just the 30 seconds.

‘It’s not an easy thing’: Father of B.C. murder suspect watched entire video recorded before son’s suicide

Yeah this report must be coming out really soon. Also I guess that rules out that Bryer specifically excluded his dad from the video, which I never believed for a second.

 

[missy1974]

Oh wow! They actually let him view the entire thing, not just the 30 seconds.

‘It’s not an easy thing’: Father of B.C. murder suspect watched entire video recorded before son’s suicide

Yeah this report must be coming out really soon. Also I guess that rules out that Bryer specifically excluded his dad from the video, which I never believed for a second.

I'm hoping this also puts to rest that AS "lost" his parental rights.

The parties negotiated a non-disclosure agreement, which Leamon said was to balance the “rights as a father” with the protection of the ongoing police investigation, so she said there were no further details about the video that could be released.

 

[sandbar]

If a coroner’s office is unable to determine the professor’s cause of death, how would a public inquiry into what medically caused it be helpful?

“The provincial and federal governments have the power to convene public inquiries to investigate and examine matters that implicate public policy or public concern. Throughout Canada, various commissions have been established to conduct such inquiries and make reports and/or recommendations to address the concerns raised in the inquiry and inform public policy making. “
Inquiries and Inquests

My understanding is that the RCMP can't say whether they did it or not, they collect and present evidence. An inquest (and your link refers mainly to federal inquests) can state responsibility.
Check this out:
Death Investigations and Panels - Province of British Columbia

Scroll down

 

[raffielle]

they released a sketch of Mr Dyck prior to him being identified by family (I remember thinking that it was strange it took the family 2 days to id him - he looked like the sketch and was in that area). So if they burned him it would be difficult to do the sketch - I am very curious as to his cause of death.

 

[MistyWaters]

The delay , if one could call it that, was because the burning vehicle and the dead body didn't link up, because they burned their own vehicle and took Prof Dycks. And burned his body, also.

That took a while to unravel, and it is a fair assumption to make that Prof. Dycks death, the manner of it, was ( if 'similar circumstances ' as Miss Deese and Mr Fowlers death is true , then it was terrible and made it difficult to identify. )

I don't see any anomaly in the wording of the Prof Dycks death. His family had put an embargo on it, and that's that . . it is their prerogative to do so, and it will be a matter for the Coroner to pronounce any further, bearing in mind their request, which one assumes now is a formal legal request.

I’m not sure what request you’re referring to. It’s the responsibility of the BC Coroner’s Office to determine causes of death, if at all possible. The family doesn’t have to request it.

If at the conclusion of the Coroner’s investigation it’s still uncertain what was the specific medical cause resulted in his death because he incurred various types of different injuries (ie stab wounds, gunshot wounds, head trauma, etc) it’s possible the final autopsy report might conclude the Cause to be Undetermined, the manner of death - Homicide. Within the report the specific injuries would still be specified and the family would have the right to obtain the final report.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

The delay , if one could call it that, was because the burning vehicle and the dead body didn't link up, because they burned their own vehicle and took Prof Dycks. And burned his body, also.

Where is it shown that they burned his body? They were able to get a composite sketch of him.