Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[Trooper]

Where is it shown that they burned his body? They were able to get a composite sketch of him.

Nowhere is it claimed that the composite sketch was done by an artist viewing his burned body ..

Of course, maybe in Canada they actually do let sketch artists do that, before any coronial examination or.. no. no I genuinely don't think so.

I think that composite sketch was lifted from documents, perhaps photo's, perhaps digital pics on his PC, or phone, I never imagined that it was done by some one with paper and pencil hovering of the body of Prof Dyck. Truly, I don't think that could be the case.

 

[SteveP]

Where is it shown that they burned his body? They were able to get a composite sketch of him.

There is no report anywhere, to my knowledge, that states that Prof Dyck was burned. As you stated, a composite sketch was made that, imo, was one of the best I have ever seen, so I think we can be assured that if he was burned at all, he clearly was not burned beyond recognition.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nowhere is it claimed that the composite sketch was done by an artist viewing his burned body ..

Of course, maybe in Canada they actually do let sketch artists do that, before any coronial examination or.. no. no I genuinely don't think so.

I think that composite sketch was lifted from documents, perhaps photo's, perhaps digital pics on his PC, or phone, I never imagined that it was done by some one with paper and pencil hovering of the body of Prof Dyck. Truly, I don't think that could be the case.

Why wouldn't you just use the photo then?

 

[Trooper]

I’m not sure what request you’re referring to. It’s the responsibility of the BC Coroner’s Office to determine causes of death, if at all possible. The family doesn’t have to request it.

If at the conclusion of the Coroner’s investigation it’s still uncertain what was the specific medical cause resulted in his death because he incurred various types of different injuries (ie stab wounds, gunshot wounds, head trauma, etc) it’s possible the final autopsy report might conclude the Cause to be Undetermined, the manner of death - Homicide. Within the report the specific injuries would still be specified and the family would have the right to obtain the final report.

What I wrote was, there would be provision for a family member to request that the findings of the coroner were not made public. It is rare, but it is possible, and has been done, .

Family members request this provision for a lot of various reasons. Some times a request is knocked back if it is direct conflict with public interest, to a certain degree that weighs heavily in favour of the public interest as opposed to private interests.

Coroners findings, by their very nature are public matters, and it does require a lot of heavy lifting to prevent the findings of any coroner being made public. But , it does happen . Every now and then.

 

[SteveP]

Nowhere is it claimed that the composite sketch was done by an artist viewing his burned body ..

Of course, maybe in Canada they actually do let sketch artists do that, before any coronial examination or.. no. no I genuinely don't think so.

I think that composite sketch was lifted from documents, perhaps photo's, perhaps digital pics on his PC, or phone, I never imagined that it was done by some one with paper and pencil hovering of the body of Prof Dyck. Truly, I don't think that could be the case.

I believe that, if they had access to any of the things that you suggest may have been used to draw the composite, they would not have needed to draw a composite. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

My understanding is that the RCMP can't say whether they did it or not, they collect and present evidence. An inquest (and your link refers mainly to federal inquests) can state responsibility.
Check this out:
Death Investigations and Panels - Province of British Columbia

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Yes inquests can state responsibility and that’s why they’re involved in matters of policy making.

If a worker falls off scaffolding, an inquest might be held to improve safety regulations. If a senior dies in a care facility but there’s no indication when somebody last checked on them, recommendations for more stringent attention to documentation would be made. The purpose of inquiries is to make recommendations to prevent future deaths. Unfortunately the recommendations are not binding and not always followed.

The Coroner’s Office conducts autopsies to determine Cause and Manner of Death. Police investigate homicides to determine who was responsible. Working with the B.C. Prosecution Service (ie Crown), homicide charges are laid. But inquests are not held for the average person on the street to determine what specific medical injury caused somebody to die by homicide.

 

[NJSleuth91]

You might want to double check that headline, he only saw the same 30 seconds...

Yes, the original news article had an error in it saying he saw the whole thing. It was corrected after the fact.

 

[amizeee]

A little info re: an update or lack of...

Father of B.C. triple-murder suspect views ‘difficult’ video recorded before son’s death

The RCMP will not be discussing any private communications or discussions we have had with families connected with this file,” said B.C. RCMP spokesperson Janelle Shoihet in an email.

“We are still committed to providing an update, however we have no definitive plans as to what will form that update, nor when the update will be provided.”

 

[Trooper]

I believe that, if they had access to any of the things that you suggest may have been used to draw the composite, they would not have needed to draw a composite. JMO

maybe the photo's or/and pics, or digital images were not the property of the sketch artist to publish, which is often the case under these circumstances and he/she had to draw off them , … but your original claim was that the sketch artist drew the pics from viewing the actual body , the face of Prof Dyck. I truly do not think that would be applicable in this circumstance.

Just my opinion, naturally.

 

[JoshuaTree]

the burning vehicle and the dead body didn't link up, because they burned their own vehicle and took Prof Dycks. And burned his body, also.

SBM / BBM

Source link?

 

[Zella]

Just read several articles. (News updates in this case always happen when I have no interest access. ) I get the impression that the NDA is temporary until the investigation is wrapped up?

In any event, I'm glad Alan was finally able to see the video. As soon as we discussed that a video is not considered a valid will, I thought the "next of kin" excuse didn't hold water, to be honest.

And it also does seem to be the sole reason he wasn't allowed to see the video to begin with was concerns about him going to the media as opposed to Bryer actually requesting he not see it. I really don't know why they didn't just discuss an NDA with Alan from the beginning.

The attorney's apparent belief that portions of the video will eventually be released kind of surprised me.

I saw some earlier discussion about an indication he was getting counseling but didn't see that in any of the sources I found. Could someone please share that source again?

On another note, I am absolutely baffled about the National Post article that says Prof. Dyck's cause of death is unknown. That sure does seem to contradict the earlier reports that his cause of death wasn't being released out of respect to the family.

All MOO

 

[cartman]

@Zella here is the article where AS’ lawyer talks about the counselling he is receiving.

Update: Father of B.C. teen murder suspect allowed to see video of son's ‘last will and testament’

 

[amizeee]

I saw some earlier discussion about an indication he was getting counseling but didn't see that in any of the sources I found. Could someone please share that source again?

SBM

Update: Father of B.C. teen murder suspect allowed to see video of son’s ‘last will and testament’

Leamon said Al is currently “marginally housed” but he is getting the support he needs.

“He is in regular contact with counsellors and is able to access those types of resources,” said Leamon.

“He does have people around him who are supporting him and ensuring that he is getting the counselling and the debriefing he needs in order to be properly supported throughout this very difficult process.”

...

I was glad to read about this. Also, glad he finally got a lawyer to speak on his behalf.

 

[Zella]

DBM Duplicate post

 

[NJSleuth91]

I get the impression that the NDA is temporary until the investigation is wrapped up?

I think so.

I really don't know why they didn't just discuss an NDA with Alan from the beginning.

NDAs aren't worth much if the person has almost no assets. Probably the only reason they let him view it now is because the report is likely going to come out very soon. Plus they probably think his lawyer will kind of monitor the situation. JMO.

The attorney's apparent belief that portions of the video will eventually be released kind of surprised me.

Same but she knows more on this subject than any of us, probably, so I trust her judgment and I hope she's right. If there is a public inquiry as she said there likely would be, I imagine pretty much all the evidence would be presented.

On another note, I am absolutely baffled about the National Post article that says Prof. Dyck's cause of death is unknown. That sure does seem to contradict the earlier reports that his cause of death wasn't being released out of respect to the family.

I don't think that was accurate. That same article had another error saying Bryer's dad was allowed to watch the entire video, not just the 30 seconds everyone else saw, which was later corrected.

 

[Zella]

Ugh the website keeps acting up, but thank you @cartman and @amizeee! I am glad to see he is finally getting some support. Sounds like his attorney has his best interests in mind.

 

[Zella]

NDAs aren't worth much if the person has almost no assets. Probably the only reason they let him view it now is because the report is likely going to come out very soon. Plus they probably think his lawyer will kind of monitor the situation. JMO.

That's very true! I'm wondering if the report will come out maybe on Monday or some time next week?

I don't think that was accurate. That same article had another error saying Bryer's dad was allowed to watch the entire video, not just the 30 seconds everyone else saw, which was later corrected.

That makes more sense--thank you!

 

[Kubirai]

I think that composite sketch was lifted from documents, perhaps photo's, perhaps digital pics on his PC, or phone, I never imagined that it was done by some one with paper and pencil hovering of the body of Prof Dyck. Truly, I don't think that could be the case.

RCMP didn't know who he was, and issued that sketch to identify him. We assume all identification was removed from his pockets, and of course his vehicle was gone.

 

[cartman]

Not to continue beating a dead horse but the NP still says LD’s cause of death has not been determined. The article has been up for over 4 hours now and there’s an editors note about the correction made to how much video AS was able to watch.

 

[NJSleuth91]

That's very true! I'm wondering if the report will come out maybe on Monday or some time next week?

My guess is sometime next week. I don't pay attention to the fact that they said today they don't know when the update would be. They have always kept everything very under wraps. Like they didn't drop even a hint about the items found near the boat until days later.