Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[CanadianSleuther]

I have feeling that maybe Leonard could have been run over or beaten up.

 

[Jan424]

The attorney's apparent belief that portions of the video will eventually be released kind of surprised me.
All MOO

SBM
This surprised me too. As much as I have a morbid curiosity to see the video, I kind of wish they don’t release it. It would have to be excruciatingly painful for all families involved. Maybe a transcript would suffice. JMO

 

[Kubirai]

… but your original claim was that the sketch artist drew the pics from viewing the actual body , the face of Prof Dyck. I truly do not think that would be applicable in this circumstance.

Just my opinion, naturally.

Two sketches were released by RCMP, before Prof. Dyck was positively identified. Artists have drawn faces of unknown victims even in worse murders.

Early TV reports show the Stikine River lookout where the body was found, with orange outlines by police and tracks of two vehicles.

The body location is covered by a tarp, so we don't know if there was a fire. My hunch was that he was run over.

 

[Zella]

SBM
This surprised me too. As much as I have a morbid curiosity to see the video, I kind of wish they don’t release it. It would have to be excruciatingly painful for all families involved. Maybe a transcript would suffice. JMO

Yes, I was actually assuming a transcript would be them releasing a lot of info (as opposed to just a summary).

I am morbidly curious about the video but definitely understand the arguments for why it shouldn't be released. I think it is more likely to be released if they confess in it. MOO

 

[NJSleuth91]

I have feeling that maybe Leonard could have been run over or beaten up.

I've suspected he was run over. That would explain why they had to burn their car...to get rid of forensic evidence.

Yes, I was actually assuming a transcript would be them releasing a lot of info (as opposed to just a summary).

I am morbidly curious about the video but definitely understand the arguments for why it shouldn't be released. I think it is more likely to be released if they confess in it. MOO

I think they definitely confessed in it and that's why it would be released. JMO.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I don't think we're getting a report any time soon. Definitely need to dial down those expections.

 

[Trooper]

Two sketches were released by RCMP, before Prof. Dyck was positively identified. Artists have drawn faces of unknown victims even in worse murders.

Early TV reports show the Stikine River lookout where the body was found, with orange outlines by police and tracks of two vehicles.

The body location is covered by a tarp, so we don't know if there was a fire. My hunch was that he was run over.

Run over , a very workable theory.

It doesn't say if the body was found on the road, only that it was 2 klms from the burning vehicle that belonged to Kam. So that calls for some linear thinking. . What was the separation caused by ? Way back in the original report, it was said a burned body was found close to the burning vehicle, and then it was found that the body and the vehicle had no relation to each other, hence, whoever had the vehicle belonging to the body was the killer/killers. = Kam and Bryer.



How did Prof Dyck get 2 klms away. ( unknown if it was backwards or forwards of the burning vehicle ) .. Did he stagger?? run? was he chased? was he driven? who drove him? then who drove the Kam vehicle back? .. Nowhere has the RCMP claimed or stated that any of the victims were shot. I know that is the assumption, but to me, the RCMP has been very specifically vague on this, going only as close as 'gun violence' which does not discount a whole lot of other manners of death apart from shooting.

All of these victims were difficult to indentify. Chynne Deese's brother claims that Chynna was so hard to identify, it took so long because of the 'brutal violence done'.. Prof. Dyck , ditto. A long time to identify, and Trever Pierre was struck by the brutality in regard to the death of Miss Deese and Mr Fowler. It is reasonable to assume that there were other methods of death OTHER than shooting involved .

It may be as simple as one of them forgot to bring the spare box of ammo along, .. nowhere did they buy more ammo, and at that store where the vid clip was, I reckon Bry shoplifted something, small , rectangular, but not a box of ammo. They probably carefully kept their small supply of ammo dry and carefully close at hand , for the finale.

I thought it odd that they didn't do a shootup at that store. They definitely wanted to be captured by the camera, and I put lack of ammunition down to them giving the store a free pass. Odd, too that Kam was heavily bearded and mustachioed, and Bryer was extremely clean shaven. Then again, I don't know how heavily Bry had to shave in his past life, before his last venture.

 

[Zella]

I don't think we're getting a report any time soon. Definitely need to dial down those expections.

You might be right, but hope springs eternal.

 

[Jan424]

Yes, I was actually assuming a transcript would be them releasing a lot of info (as opposed to just a summary).

I am morbidly curious about the video but definitely understand the arguments for why it shouldn't be released. I think it is more likely to be released if they confess in it. MOO

Good point about a video confession.

 

[MistyWaters]

SBM

Update: Father of B.C. teen murder suspect allowed to see video of son’s ‘last will and testament’

Leamon said Al is currently “marginally housed” but he is getting the support he needs.

“He is in regular contact with counsellors and is able to access those types of resources,” said Leamon.

“He does have people around him who are supporting him and ensuring that he is getting the counselling and the debriefing he needs in order to be properly supported throughout this very difficult process.”

...

I was glad to read about this. Also, glad he finally got a lawyer to speak on his behalf.

I think his agreement to counselling and support services enabled him to be shown the 30 seconds of video. Parental rights and so forth are one thing but it doesn’t supersede his own personal welfare, if health experts determined showing him the video earlier may’ve been detrimental to his mental health and well-being. He seemed to be riding a very emotional rollercoaster and some of the things he was quoted as saying were somewhat troubling (ie kudos). Hopefully he’ll come to realize talking to the media isn’t helpful in dealing with his grief. Better it be councillors behind closed doors than front page headlines IMO.

 

[SovereignSnake]

I'm still mind blown that it's been 7 weeks and they still have not determined Leonard's cause of death. I have said before, it is possible some kind of face to face relationship or encounter may have developed between Kam, Bryer and Leonard. Either very brief or maybe even over the course of a few days, but something really bizarre happened between the three of them. Perhaps, could it even have been something like they struck him with the Dodge on accident in the darkness, not paying attention, possibly under the influence and then panicked? Like they hit him the night of the 18th and deliberated the remainder of the night into the afternoon of the 19th on whether or not they should go to the RCMP and said; "No! They're never going to believe it was an accident or we're going to be in serious trouble because we hit someone, killed them and we had been drinking. Let's burn any incriminating evidence and get out of here and get as far away as we can as fast as we can." Now I know to most this sounds like an absolutely terrible idea but also keep in mind Kam and Bryer's ages. I just can't let go the notion that whatever happened between the boys and Leonard really frightened them, hence the impromptu trans-Canadian road trip.
~All pure speculation of course.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I'm still mind blown that it's been 7 weeks and they still have not determined Leonard's cause of death.

SBM

I don't think we should take at face value one source that was already known to have errors, saying that the cause of death was unknown. The RCMP said in their press conference after Kam and Bryer's bodies were found that the cause of death would not be released due to his family's wishes, which indicates they knew what it was. Just because the editors of this news source corrected the one error about how much of the video Bryer's dad watched, doesn't mean they noticed the other error.

 

[MistyWaters]

SBM

I don't think we should take at face value one source that was already known to have errors, saying that the cause of death was unknown. The RCMP said in their press conference after Kam and Bryer's bodies were found that the cause of death would not be released due to his family's wishes, which indicates they knew what it was. Just because the editors of this news source corrected the one error about how much of the video Bryer's dad watched, doesn't mean they noticed the other error.

The source appears to be an “independent” publication. I live in the same province and must say I’ve have never heard of it before. It’s not what I’d consider MSM. It’s also very unusual for a somewhat obscure Alberta source to obtain information not being shared by BC news sources first. I think so too, good chance it’s a reporting mistake.

 

[Zella]

Whoa this just came across my Google Alerts for this case:

B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

 

[MistyWaters]

Run over , a very workable theory.

It doesn't say if the body was found on the road, only that it was 2 klms from the burning vehicle that belonged to Kam. So that calls for some linear thinking. . What was the separation caused by ? Way back in the original report, it was said a burned body was found close to the burning vehicle, and then it was found that the body and the vehicle had no relation to each other, hence, whoever had the vehicle belonging to the body was the killer/killers. = Kam and Bryer.



How did Prof Dyck get 2 klms away. ( unknown if it was backwards or forwards of the burning vehicle ) .. Did he stagger?? run? was he chased? was he driven? who drove him? then who drove the Kam vehicle back? .. Nowhere has the RCMP claimed or stated that any of the victims were shot. I know that is the assumption, but to me, the RCMP has been very specifically vague on this, going only as close as 'gun violence' which does not discount a whole lot of other manners of death apart from shooting.

All of these victims were difficult to indentify. Chynne Deese's brother claims that Chynna was so hard to identify, it took so long because of the 'brutal violence done'.. Prof. Dyck , ditto. A long time to identify, and Trever Pierre was struck by the brutality in regard to the death of Miss Deese and Mr Fowler. It is reasonable to assume that there were other methods of death OTHER than shooting involved .

It may be as simple as one of them forgot to bring the spare box of ammo along, .. nowhere did they buy more ammo, and at that store where the vid clip was, I reckon Bry shoplifted something, small , rectangular, but not a box of ammo. They probably carefully kept their small supply of ammo dry and carefully close at hand , for the finale.

I thought it odd that they didn't do a shootup at that store. They definitely wanted to be captured by the camera, and I put lack of ammunition down to them giving the store a free pass. Odd, too that Kam was heavily bearded and mustachioed, and Bryer was extremely clean shaven. Then again, I don't know how heavily Bry had to shave in his past life, before his last venture.

The location where the professor’s body was found was at a rest stop. It’s shown near the beginning of this video and presumably the white tarp was the body location. We don’t know what the cones signify. Some have speculated bullet casings but it could be anything. Definitely there was interest in the visible tire tracks.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Whoa this just came across my Google Alerts for this case:

B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Wow. I mean, I can't say I'm really that surprised at all. I would expect it from people that age, and they were raised on Youtube and video games, right? But still. Wow. I'm dying to know what they said.

Also "while on the run at the end of July and start of August"...does that mean that they lived until August or did the reporter just say that because they were found August 7th?

 

[MistyWaters]

Whoa this just came across my Google Alerts for this case:

B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

From your link, not sure what she means by “in recent communication”.

“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing the Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.”

 

[NJSleuth91]

Also if people authorized to speak about the investigation are confirming the existence of other videos, that seems to indicate to me that they might be getting into "releasing information" mode. Because normally they don't say anything.

 

[LoisLane]

they released a sketch of Mr Dyck prior to him being identified by family (I remember thinking that it was strange it took the family 2 days to id him - he looked like the sketch and was in that area). So if they burned him it would be difficult to do the sketch - I am very curious as to his cause of death.

Good point. I am skeptical that they did in fact need to appeal to the public to identify him. I think RCMP did know LD’s identity and the family was aware prior to the sketch being released. I think it was some sort of tactic so that the suspects felt they had more time which would buy LE a bit more room to track them.

 

[MistyWaters]

Also if people authorized to speak about the investigation are confirming the existence of other videos, that seems to indicate to me that they might be getting into "releasing information" mode. Because normally they don't say anything.

Don’t get your hopes up. They weren’t authorized.

“The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation..