Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[Zella]

Wow. I mean, I can't say I'm really that surprised at all. I would expect it from people that age, and they were raised on Youtube and video games, right? But still. Wow. I'm dying to know what they said.

Also "while on the run at the end of July and start of August"...does that mean that they lived until August or did the reporter just say that because they were found August 7th?

Yeah I was kind of thinking that if they filmed one, they probably filmed more than one. I am perhaps most surprised people close to the investigation are anonymously confirming information. I can't think offhand of when that has happened previously in this case.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Don’t get your hopes up. They weren’t authorized.

“The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation..

Oh. Yeah, I will admit in my shock over this new development, I misread that as that they were authorized. Sorry.

Yeah I was kind of thinking that if they filmed one, they probably filmed more than one. I am perhaps most surprised people close to the investigation are anonymously confirming information. I can't think offhand of when that has happened previously in this case.

Yeah I definitely didn't rule it out that they filmed more than one.

That is really surprising to me also. What's in it for them? Why risk their jobs over that? I wonder if it's actually authorized but they're saying it isn't for some reason.

 

[ErinBat]

If AS was granted permission to view I’m pretty certain they are ready to give their update/summary. The RCMP know he’s a talker.

 

[SovereignSnake]

Whoa this just came across my Google Alerts for this case:

B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Great find @Zella!

NOW my mind is blown. Could this be a series of video diaries or just random clips and outtakes? Just when we thought this can't get any crazier...

From the article:
"On Thursday morning, an RCMP investigator showed Al Schmegelsky and his lawyer the 30-second clip, which is one of a handful of videos The Globe and Mail has learned Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod recorded while on the run at the end of July and start of August.

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation."

 

[LoisLane]

Snipped:

I think that composite sketch was lifted from documents, perhaps photo's, perhaps digital pics on his PC, or phone, I never imagined that it was done by some one with paper and pencil hovering of the body of Prof Dyck. Truly, I don't think that could be the case.

I think so too. Which for me means they did know his identity. I’m leaning towards drivers license photo or school ID tag.

 

[FactFinder3000]

(Duplicate post. Somebody beat me to it by 4 minutes, lol.)

 

[Zella]

Great find @Zella!

NOW my mind is blown. Could this be a series of video diaries or just random clips and outtakes? Just when we thought this can't get any crazier...

From the article:
"On Thursday morning, an RCMP investigator showed Al Schmegelsky and his lawyer the 30-second clip, which is one of a handful of videos The Globe and Mail has learned Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod recorded while on the run at the end of July and start of August.

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation."

Yeah I am curious if this is part of what will eventually be released, and if it is more formal like a video diary or if it is just video clips of the 2 of them but not necessarily them talking to the camera.

 

[MistyWaters]

Good point. I am skeptical that they did in fact need to appeal to the public to identify him. I think RCMP did know LD’s identity and the family was aware prior to the sketch being released. I think it was some sort of tactic so that the suspects felt they had more time which would buy LE a bit more room to track them.

I’m not so sure the RCMP knew. It’d be highly unusual for them not to immediately issue a public alert for the year, make and model of the missing vehicle belonging to a murder victim.

 

[LoisLane]

A little info re: an update or lack of...

Father of B.C. triple-murder suspect views ‘difficult’ video recorded before son’s death

The RCMP will not be discussing any private communications or discussions we have had with families connected with this file,” said B.C. RCMP spokesperson Janelle Shoihet in an email.

“We are still committed to providing an update, however we have no definitive plans as to what will form that update, nor when the update will be provided.”

Sounds to me that RCMP will not comment on the situation of withholding the video from AS or it’s resolve or the dynamics with the family. That seems fine.. as long as they have not crossed any lines legally.

And the update to the public ... could be a long ways away.

 

[tabitha111]

Breaking~B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation.

 

[MistyWaters]

“On Thursday, before viewing the clip at the RCMP’s B.C. headquarters in Surrey, Mr. Schmegelsky signed a non-disclosure agreement stating he would not discuss its contents until “the time that the RCMP releases the video or a portion of the video to the general public, should it choose to do so,” Ms. Leamon said.

RCMP Sergeant Janelle Shoihet said Thursday that Mounties are still committed to providing an update on the case, “however we have no definitive plans as to what will form that update, nor when the update will be provided.”...”
B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

 

[SovereignSnake]

Wow. I mean, I can't say I'm really that surprised at all. I would expect it from people that age, and they were raised on Youtube and video games, right? But still. Wow. I'm dying to know what they said.

Also "while on the run at the end of July and start of August"...does that mean that they lived until August or did the reporter just say that because they were found August 7th?

Agreed! You're probably right, the reporter was likely implying August 7th. Still, I have to wonder, did this "source" let it slide that the final video was dated in August? Perhaps they did make it into the first few days of August. Maybe even Bryer's Brithday on the 4th? It's such a long shot but if I've learned anything from this case, anything is possible.

 

[Esprite]

Yeah I am curious if this is part of what will eventually be released, and if it is more formal like a video diary or if it is just video clips of the 2 of them but not necessarily them talking to the camera.

It is possible that the RCMP will call a press conference after releasing a new update. Hopefully, this will be in a sensitive manner that causes no further pain to any of the families involved in this tragedy.

 

[Zella]

It is possible that the RCMP will call a press conference after releasing the information publicly. Hopefully, this will be in a sensitive manner that causes no further pain to any of the families involved in this tragedy.

I feel like, for the most part, RCMP seems to have been sensitive to most of the families involved, both victim and perpetrator, so I am assuming however they choose to handle it will be tactful. (I still don't get not letting Alan Schmegelsky see that video footage for so long, but they at least resolved that finally. Really, that's been the only aspect of their management of the case that has seemed insensitive to me.) MOO

 

[cartman]

From your link, not sure what she means by “in recent communication”.

“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing the Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.”

The two were in recent communication after his son left town in July.
What? After? And I’m pretty sure BS told AS he was headed to Alberta, not the Yukon.
Not sure what any of this means either but I am reading it as either a misprint or that AS had contact with BS while he was on the road. If it’s the latter there’s going to be a media circus.

MOO

 

[sandbar]

I feel like, for the most part, RCMP seems to have been sensitive to most of the families involved, both victim and perpetrator, so I am assuming however they choose to handle it will be tactful. (I still don't get not letting Alan Schmegelsky see that video footage for so long, but they at least resolved that finally. Really, that's been the only aspect of their management of the case that has seemed insensitive to me.) MOO

The RCMP only let AS see it after he signed a non-disclosure agreement, and one article I read kinda made it sound like his lawyer had to sign one too. Someone mentioned that NOAs work better on someone with more to lose than AS. But there may be jail time if he breaks it.

I was thinking too, LE had to "clear" family members, maybe former co-workers, do big checks, etc. And AS did use the term "blaze" and 2 fires were involved...

I also imagine some actual humans within RCMP thought it was sh!tty that a dad couldn't see the video, maybe they received email? Maybe there was some pressure for RCMP to resolve. Plus, he got a lawyer.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I think during negotiations the lawyer probably mentioned ligation and that had something to do with them coming to an agreement. That way they still can have some control over the situation with a non-disclosure agreement, where a judge may have just granted him access with no agreement.

 

[Zella]

I think getting an attorney and that strategic leak to the media about him not getting to see it--which nobody owned up to--is why he finally got to see the video. I imagine RCMP felt like whatever issues developed from him watching it was not worth the bad PR in forbidding him from seeing it. MOO

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I do think if he never spoke to the media beyond a simple statement, he probably would have gotten access to it without much trouble.

 

[sandbar]

they released a sketch of Mr Dyck prior to him being identified by family (I remember thinking that it was strange it took the family 2 days to id him - he looked like the sketch and was in that area). So if they burned him it would be difficult to do the sketch - I am very curious as to his cause of death.

This is a great article with details about Prof. Dyck.
Family of B.C. murder victim remembers Leonard Dyck as ‘gentle soul,’ family man

He was supposed to be somewhere else.