Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[Chingaling]

I feel like, for the most part, RCMP seems to have been sensitive to most of the families involved, both victim and perpetrator, so I am assuming however they choose to handle it will be tactful. (I still don't get not letting Alan Schmegelsky see that video footage for so long, but they at least resolved that finally. Really, that's been the only aspect of their management of the case that has seemed insensitive to me.) MOO

I feel like, for the most part, RCMP seems to have been sensitive to most of the families involved, both victim and perpetrator, so I am assuming however they choose to handle it will be tactful. (I still don't get not letting Alan Schmegelsky see that video footage for so long, but they at least resolved that finally. Really, that's been the only aspect of their management of the case that has seemed insensitive to me.) MOO

I think they didn't let him see it because they knew how unstable he is and didn't want to cause another death.So he was forced to hire a lawyer and get his ducks in a row.I think it was probably the best decision they could have made.

 

[LoisLane]

Whoa this just came across my Google Alerts for this case:

B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Very possible they took turns killing and filming and documenting along the way.

 

[Esprite]

I feel like, for the most part, RCMP seems to have been sensitive to most of the families involved, both victim and perpetrator, so I am assuming however they choose to handle it will be tactful. (I still don't get not letting Alan Schmegelsky see that video footage for so long, but they at least resolved that finally. Really, that's been the only aspect of their management of the case that has seemed insensitive to me.) MOO

Possibly because of previous threats that Alan made against the RCMP, and/or other family members. The RCMP probably didn't trust him to keep the information to himself given his long history of public disclosure.

Also, Sarah Leamon commented that Al is currently “marginally housed” but he is getting the support he needs.

“He is in regular contact with counsellors and is able to access those types of resources,” said Leamon.

“He does have people around him who are supporting him and ensuring that he is getting the counselling and the debriefing he needs in order to be properly supported throughout this very difficult process.”

This indicates that he's now under the care of social services that are providing housing and counselling, and probably social workers as well, who provide other support. None of this was possible unless he took responsibility for his own well-being, and accepted the help offered to him.

 

[Esprite]

Very possible they took turns killing and filming and documenting along the way.

Whoa! So chilling, but definitely a possibility.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Very possible they took turns killing and filming and documenting along the way.

I'm not sure about that because it says they were filmed on the run, and filmed in late July and early August. The murders took place in the middle of July and they weren't technically on the run during that time, as nobody was looking for them.

 

[LoisLane]

The two were in recent communication after his son left town in July.
What? After? And I’m pretty sure BS told AS he was headed to Alberta, not the Yukon.
Not sure what any of this means either but I am reading it as either a misprint or that AS had contact with BS while he was on the road. If it’s the latter there’s going to be a media circus.

MOO

I think this could be a telling point.. maybe AS has the lawyer for more than the video viewing request. If he didn’t disclose at the time of communication to the police or they found out after the fact (and not by him) then that will be a tough one to sort out.

 

[sandbar]

None of this was possible unless he took responsibility for his own well-being, and accepted the help offered to him.

Sometimes it's as simple as not knowing how to access the services, how to navigate the system, or believing the system can help you.

The system doesn't always want to be accessed...

 

[LoisLane]

I'm not sure about that because it says they were filmed on the run, and filmed in late July and early August. The murders took place in the middle of July and they weren't technically on the run during that time, as nobody was looking for them.

Good catch! I hope the time estimate is accurate.

 

[sandbar]

dbm

 

[Esprite]

Sometimes it's as simple as not knowing how to access the services, how to navigate the system, or believing the system can help you.

The system doesn't always want to be accessed...

As a social worker, I can assure you that help is easily accessed, but psychological assessment would be the first step to get the ball rolling. This is because it's possible that social workers put their own lives at risk working with volatile individuals, who often lay the blame on perceived authority figures, and take no responsibility for their own actions.

 

[Iwondertoo]

Great find @Zella!

NOW my mind is blown. Could this be a series of video diaries or just random clips and outtakes? Just when we thought this can't get any crazier...

From the article:
"On Thursday morning, an RCMP investigator showed Al Schmegelsky and his lawyer the 30-second clip, which is one of a handful of videos The Globe and Mail has learned Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod recorded while on the run at the end of July and start of August.

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation."

BBM

The article is behind a paywall so I haven't actually read it but if what you quote above is how it's written, does anyone else think the 2 'confidential' sources are Alan and his lawyer? Sure Alan may have signed an agreement not to talk about the 30 sec. of video he was shown, but does that stop them from 'confidentially' talking to the Globe and Mail about other information that was told to them?

It certainly seems to me quite a coincidence that talkative Alan and his lawyer viewed the video this morning and maybe 10 hours later, the G&M has two confidential sources for a new piece of information.

JMO

 

[LoisLane]

Sometimes it's as simple as not knowing how to access the services, how to navigate the system, or believing the system can help you.

The system doesn't always want to be accessed...

Especially when trauma strikes. I think the support by people he felt safe with helped him get there. Possibly his lawyer or the reporter he was with for two weeks.

 

[KR72]

BBM

The article is behind a paywall so I haven't actually read it but if what you quote above is how it's written, does anyone else think the 2 'confidential' sources are Alan and his lawyer? Sure Alan may have signed an agreement not to talk about the 30 sec. of video he was shown, but does that stop them from 'confidentially' talking to the Globe and Mail about other information that was told to them.

It's certainly seems to me quite a coincidence that talkative Alan and his lawyer viewed the video this morning and maybe 10 hours later, the G&M has two confidential sources for a new piece of information.

JMO

My first thoughts, and I'm not surprised the RCMP took their time letting him view the portion of the video. I remember thinking back when the news that he hadn't seen the video first broke that they'd wait till they were just about finished with their investigation and then let him see it.

 

[LoisLane]

dbm

I imagine there would be a lot of questions and looking into. As for AS he may have been untrustworthy of the line of questioning but not necessarily abetting. The families houses where KM and BS resided were also searched.

 

[KR72]

I'm hoping that the families of the victims have supports in place as I imagine that they've been updated in regards to the presence and perhaps some content of the video/s.

 

[LoisLane]

BBM

The article is behind a paywall so I haven't actually read it but if what you quote above is how it's written, does anyone else think the 2 'confidential' sources are Alan and his lawyer? Sure Alan may have signed an agreement not to talk about the 30 sec. of video he was shown, but does that stop them from 'confidentially' talking to the Globe and Mail about other information that was told to them?

It certainly seems to me quite a coincidence that talkative Alan and his lawyer viewed the video this morning and maybe 10 hours later, the G&M has two confidential sources for a new piece of information.

JMO

Seems to be the M.O.

 

[LadyL]

Great find @Zella!

NOW my mind is blown. Could this be a series of video diaries or just random clips and outtakes? Just when we thought this can't get any crazier...

From the article:
"On Thursday morning, an RCMP investigator showed Al Schmegelsky and his lawyer the 30-second clip, which is one of a handful of videos The Globe and Mail has learned Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod recorded while on the run at the end of July and start of August.

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation."

“On Thursday, before viewing the clip at the RCMP’s B.C. headquarters in Surrey, Mr. Schmegelsky signed a non-disclosure agreement stating he would not discuss its contents until “the time that the RCMP releases the video or a portion of the video to the general public, should it choose to do so,” Ms. Leamon said.

RCMP Sergeant Janelle Shoihet said Thursday that Mounties are still committed to providing an update on the case, “however we have no definitive plans as to what will form that update, nor when the update will be provided.”...”
B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

From your link, not sure what she means by “in recent communication”.

“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing the Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.”

Wow @ this news! Thanks for posting. Is there anything else interesting in the article? I can't read due to paywall.

 

[Esprite]

Especially when trauma strikes. I think the the support by people he felt safe with helped him get there. Possibly his lawyer or the reporter he was with for two weeks.

Whenever there's a long history of one parent creating trauma in the lives of other members of the child's family that trail remains forever. Constantly railing against the system accomplishes nothing, but the risk of being ignored; however, if he were suicidal now, or a perceived threat to himself, then help is readily available.

 

[LoisLane]

“On Thursday morning, an RCMP investigator showed Al Schmegelsky and his lawyer the 30-second clip, which is one of a handful of videos The Globe and Mail has learned Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod recorded while on the run at the end of July and start of August.

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation.”
...
“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.”
...

B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

 

[LoisLane]

Whenever there's a long history of one parent creating trauma in the lives of other members of the child's family that trail remains forever. Constantly railing against the system accomplishes nothing, but the risk of being ignored; however, if he were suicidal now, or a perceived threat to himself, then help is readily available.

And in BS’s case it sounds like it was both parents.

Yes help is readily available but it still involves being in the right place at the right time with the right people. Many can’t do it alone and do require assistance getting in the door.