Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[SovereignSnake]

I still really wonder what they talked about during all those hours of driving.

I could see this. I actually don't think it's that weird at all that they filmed multiple videos. This is by far the most important thing they had ever been part of. And especially as part of the social media generation, they knew other people would want to know what they were thinking, what the trip was like, etc.

It was said in an article that Bryer shared a video of himself pretending to masturbate to a picture of Hitler on Snapchat.

@NJSleuth91 Thank you for that update from way earlier today. I just got done catching up on everyone's comments. Now that you say that, yes, I do remember the Hitler masturbation photo. Was the gun in the mouth photo also Snapchat? I remember those reports but I must have completely spaced on the Snapchat parts or my disdain for Snapchat made me black it out perhaps...

Anyway, I totally agree I have found myself day dreaming when I'm in my car on longer trips what Kam and Bryer could have talked about, what kind of music they listened to, how the trip went overall, were they doing any sort of route planning. I wondered too, could it have been Bryer was filming all the videos on his phone since he seems to have not had a provider? Perhaps Kam kept his off completely, lost it or even burned it? Or stowed it unless they absolutely needed it. I'm sure when they realized there was no reception, it was mostly just an expensive paper weight. I'm sure they were aware that they could be tracked even with the faintest signal. I mean sure you can switch to airplane mode or just take your SIM out and still make videos and take photos absolutely but I get this sense that Bryer was more the camera man of the two and also wanted to be on camera. I also noted someone mentioned earlier asking how they filmed their farewell video. My instincts tell me one simply filmed the other and they took turns saying their piece or perhaps they put it in front facing camera (selfie) mode and and they filmed each other together while one of them held it one last time. Hmm, that's really quite heartbreaking actually. I'm not sure if they were implying they killed themselves on camera because I think we can all agree that did not happen.

 

[Trooper]

'really quite heartbreaking'...


?????

 

[KR72]

Hmm, that's really quite heartbreaking actually.

I see it as cowardly. Heartbreaking is reserved for the victims whose lives were snuffed out by these two cowards imo.

 

[Trooper]

Then maybe the Australian 60 Minutes reporter was on to something when she softly accused him of "planting the seed" in Bryer's mind.

I reckon she was on the money, too. .. .

 

[CanadianSleuther]

It'll be heartbreaking if they were found to not be responsible or if it was an accident and they felt they had no choice but to run.

 

[MistyWaters]

Respectfully, while you may have inferred something unstated, nothing that I read in that article suggests that AS was the source of the leak.

It doesn’t? If not for AS’s first anonymous leak as the family member who was denied the 30 second “Last Will and Testament” (noticing that how his lawyer referred to it as well) nobody would know an video apparently exists. And then just by chance, the Globe finds a anonymous source who reveals what else is on the video the exact same time it’s reported AS has seen the 30 second video clip. Doesn’t that seem far too coincidental?

“The father of #BryerSchmegelsky has now seen the video clip his son recorded before he and #KamMcLeod killed themselves in the wilds of Manitoba. @globeandmail has now confirmed the murder suspects took a handful of other videos whilst on the run:”

 

[Trooper]

I see it as cowardly. Heartbreaking is reserved for the victims whose lives were snuffed out by these two cowards imo.

Cowardly in the extreme, …. .. lots of teenagers have trod the heavy path of accusation, trial and conviction, and life sentence serving, but not these two , the last word was important to them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that they actually filmed themselves killing each other, or themselves, or variations on that theme. It makes perfect sense that they would do that, for a whole lot of reasons,...

To punish Mum and Dad. Gran, perhaps. This would be the prime reason.

To teach a lesson to the kids back in Port Al.. . and to the teachers, neighbors, local cops, Walmart managers, et al.

As a finger to the RCMP.

As an attempt to invalidate, and disrespect their three victims, the underlying message being ' see what you made me do !'.... the old , age old howl of the self-enchanted. Nothing new, there.

 

[Inkblot]

That's a heck of a huge call , to claim this could have been prevented.. That Kam and Bry were somehow merely misunderstood, and a preventative tool is actually out there, one only has to tap into it....

One is tempted to ask just exactly how.

I think it's entirely possible they filmed themselves, either during, or just before, or just after they murdered all three of their unwary victims. It's not a new thing. Brian Draper and Torey Adamcik did, young men, only a few months younger than Bryer….. Their mothers and fathers were entranced by their sons, and probably still are.

Maybe Kam was as cool with himself, as enchanted with himself as Christopher Gribble... ditto Bryer . They may have seen themselves as righteous avengers and all that stuff..

Nothing seemed to faze Gribble, and it's a fair call to say that Kam and Bryer were pretty much unfazed by the time they intercepted Prof. Dyck.


What does make Kam and Bryer somewhat unusual, not a lot, but a bit unusual, is they had no distinction , re gender, of their victims. And, as far as is known, no indication of any stimulant, alcohol, crystal meth, crocodil, rohypnol, nothing chemical , prescription or illegal, has been mentioned. This is unusual, and there is significance in that they could actually do this, together, stone cold sober.

Generally, young men will murder young women. . Older men do to, at an even higher rate, but it is worth a raised eyebrow that Kam and Bryer murdered both a woman and two men.

Lucas Fowler was a physically fit young man, a surfer, a skier, a trekker, ( he had done the Milford Sound track a few times ) , a young man used to working long hours in challenging environments, and not because he had to for fiscal reasons, but because he enjoyed it, combined with his love of travel to exotic places ( yes, Canada is exotic to Australians ) .. He had just concluded a 5 month placement on a cattle ranch, not a job for the physically frail or the faint hearted.

He would have been an imposing adversary, under the circumstances, and obviously, he must have been disabled immediately, by Kam and/or Bryer, so that the female target could be dealt with, and if psychiatric terms could be used here, that must have been a moment of tremendous triumph for them both. Possibly, they filmed this. It would have been the equivalent of ascending Katchenjunga. Something historic and to be savoured and re-lived, in down times, of which many were on the horizon.

The digital world had meaning to them, and I am convinced they would have made sure that in their jaunt off into the blue north, they had secured some way to remain connected to the internet and to their digital world of validation. . I just don't see them going cold turkey on this. It would have been like an amputation.

I like your rationale. There seems to be a common thread with these young killers. The feeling of empowerment must be overwhelming to them. Thank you for the videos. I remember the Stoddart murder case - Shocking! And Gribble, speaking with zero emotion or remorse - Frightening.

 

[KR72]

It'll be heartbreaking if they were found to not be responsible or if it was an accident and they felt they had no choice but to run.

Do you think they accidentally killed three people though? What would the odds of that be, especially since we know that at least two of the victims were shot?

 

[SteveP]

It doesn’t? If not for AS’s first anonymous leak as the family member who was denied the 30 second “Last Will and Testament” (noticing that how his lawyer referred to it as well) nobody would know an video apparently exists. And then just by chance, the Globe finds a anonymous source who reveals what else is on the video the exact same time it’s reported AS has seen the 30 second video clip. Doesn’t that seem far too coincidental?

“The father of #BryerSchmegelsky has now seen the video clip his son recorded before he and #KamMcLeod killed themselves in the wilds of Manitoba. @globeandmail has now confirmed the murder suspects took a handful of other videos whilst on the run:”

As I said, you made an inference. While he could be, AS is certainly not the only possible "anonymous source" of information.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Then maybe the Australian 60 Minutes reporter was on to something when she softly accused him of "planting the seed" in Bryer's mind.

The seed was planted by a confluence of many, many factors. Blaming it on buying an Airsoft rifle is a huge oversimplification.

 

[MistyWaters]

I reckon she was on the money, too. .. .

The reporter apparently spent two weeks with AS but if so, very little of AS being interviewed was aired during those 60 minutes. I have no doubt every unedited interview was later obtained by the RCMP to further their efforts in understanding what led AS to believe the two wanted to be shot by police. That’s a very extraordinary claim for him to have made. It wouldn’t even surprise me if L’s dad was involved in facilitating the AU arrangements.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Do you think they accidentally killed three people though? What would the odds of that be, especially since we know that at least two of the victims were shot?

I think they are responsible for Leonard's death. Chynna and Lucas I'm on the fence. If it wasn't for them taking Leonard's car I wouldn't believe they were responsible for any of the murders.

 

[Inkblot]

Cowardly in the extreme, …. .. lots of teenagers have trod the heavy path of accusation, trial and conviction, and life sentence serving, but not these two , the last word was important to them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that they actually filmed themselves killing each other, or themselves, or variations on that theme. It makes perfect sense that they would do that, for a whole lot of reasons,...

To punish Mum and Dad. Gran, perhaps. This would be the prime reason.

To teach a lesson to the kids back in Port Al.. . and to the teachers, neighbors, local cops, Walmart managers, et al.

As a finger to the RCMP.

As an attempt to invalidate, and disrespect their three victims, the underlying message being ' see what you made me do !'.... the old , age old howl of the self-enchanted. Nothing new, there.

I have to admit, I see it that way too.

 

[Trooper]

I like your rationale. There seems to be a common thread with these young killers. The feeling of empowerment must be overwhelming to them. Thank you for the videos. I remember the Stoddart murder case - Shocking! And Gribble, speaking with zero emotion or remorse - Frightening.

I believe it is a fundamental error, to regard K and B as unique. They are most assuredly not. They come from a long line of similar individuals , sharing a common perspective. And no doubt, a future line as well.

 

[KR72]

The seed was planted by a confluence of many, many factors. Blaming it on buying an Airsoft rifle is a huge oversimplification.

Yes, and I agree. But if AS was aware of or concerned about Bryer having mental health issues, then why would he go out and buy him a realistic looking replica gun that would only further immerse Bryer in violent thoughts/fantasies?

I'm not blaming AS, because I think that either he didn't know the whole truth about his son, or else he was in denial. If he was aware, then that's a bit different. Not that he'd be responsible for his sons actions, but I would say that buying him an airsoft, which could be seen as encouragement to mimic violence in a mentally disturbed individual, would not be a wise or responsible parenting choice.

 

[srper2]

@NJSleuth91 Thank you for that update from way earlier today. I just got done catching up on everyone's comments. Now that you say that, yes, I do remember the Hitler masturbation photo. Was the gun in the mouth photo also Snapchat? I remember those reports but I must have completely spaced on the Snapchat parts or my disdain for Snapchat made me black it out perhaps...

Anyway, I totally agree I have found myself day dreaming when I'm in my car on longer trips what Kam and Bryer could have talked about, what kind of music they listened to, how the trip went overall, were they doing any sort of route planning. I wondered too, could it have been Bryer was filming all the videos on his phone since he seems to have not had a provider? Perhaps Kam kept his off completely, lost it or even burned it? Or stowed it unless they absolutely needed it. I'm sure when they realized there was no reception, it was mostly just an expensive paper weight. I'm sure they were aware that they could be tracked even with the faintest signal. I mean sure you can switch to airplane mode or just take your SIM out and still make videos and take photos absolutely but I get this sense that Bryer was more the camera man of the two and also wanted to be on camera. I also noted someone mentioned earlier asking how they filmed their farewell video. My instincts tell me one simply filmed the other and they took turns saying their piece or perhaps they put it in front facing camera (selfie) mode and and they filmed each other together while one of them held it one last time. Hmm, that's really quite heartbreaking actually. I'm not sure if they were implying they killed themselves on camera because I think we can all agree that did not happen.

It is heartbreaking that they killed Mr Dyck and possibly also Chynna and Lucas.

 

[sandbar]

Respectfully, while you may have inferred something unstated, nothing that I read in that article suggests that AS was the source of the leak.

Agreed.

 

[Trooper]

I have to admit, I see it that way too.

And I don't believe they flew under the radar all the time. When this is 'over', so to speak, people will come out of the woodwork, people who saw things, and heard things that were disturbing in the extreme , and didn't think they'd be believed, so outrageous were their conclusions.

In a small town, everyone knows a bit about everyone, and some people know a lot about some people, and then some others know a very great deal of stuff about people ( like the local doctor, the local copper, the park ranger, the dog catcher, the district nurse, etc ) that cannot be understood, or discussed in the normal course of events.

So I expect that kind of information to filter down, once the RCMP report is released.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes, and I agree. But if AS was aware of or concerned about Bryer having mental health issues, then why would he go out and buy him a realistic looking replica gun that would only further immerse Bryer in violent thoughts/fantasies?

I'm not blaming AS, because I think that either he didn't know the whole truth about his son, or else he was in denial. If he was aware, then that's a bit different. Not that he'd be responsible for his sons actions, but I would say that buying him an airsoft, which could be seen as encouragement to mimic violence in a mentally disturbed individual, would not be a wise or responsible parenting choice.

I don't have kids and never plan to, so I am not qualified to answer this question.