Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[MistyWaters]

I think they are responsible for Leonard's death. Chynna and Lucas I'm on the fence. If it wasn't for them taking Leonard's car I wouldn't believe they were responsible for any of the murders.

We’ll eventually learn what “significant evidence” Hackett is referring to, but that’s very precise wording as opposed to “maybe will prove to be...” or “hoping to find...”.

“(B.C. RCMP Assistant Commissioner Kevin Hackett) did confirm, however, that there is “significant evidence” linking the suspects to both crime scenes....

....Hackett said while the investigation is ongoing, he is “confident” there is no ongoing risk to the public, and said there is no evidence suggesting the suspects were linked to any other incidents in B.C.

He also said the RCMP are not actively looking at any other suspect in connection with the case......
B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

 

[FactFinder3000]

Yes, and I agree. But if AS was aware of or concerned about Bryer having mental health issues, then why would he go out and buy him a realistic looking replica gun that would only further immerse Bryer in violent thoughts/fantasies?

I'm not blaming AS, because I think that either he didn't know the whole truth about his son, or else he was in denial. If he was aware, then that's a bit different. Not that he'd be responsible for his sons actions, but I would say that buying him an airsoft, which could be seen as encouragement to mimic violence in a mentally disturbed individual, would not be a wise or responsible parenting choice.

Maybe he felt that providing Bryer with a harmless release for his violent thoughts or fantasies might cause him to eventually lose interest and move on?

 

[CanadianSleuther]

He also said the RCMP are not actively looking at any other suspect in connection with the case......
B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

That was taken when they found their bodies. They hadn't checked there DNA or done ballistics so if neither are found at Lucas and Chynna's crime scene then they may be looking for another suspect.

 

[sandbar]

“(B.C. RCMP Assistant Commissioner Kevin Hackett) did confirm, however, that there is “significant evidence” linking the suspects to both crime scenes....

I'm thinking that they left some sort of statement or signature at the two crime scenes, and I bet if they did, it's airsoft pellets. That would account for so many evidence markers at both scenes. It might also contribute to the reported gruesomeness, make ID difficult.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Airsoft is a game. Very unlikely it's related to the murders in any way.

 

[Zella]

Airsoft pellets aren't going to leave gruesome damage. They're designed to be used on people without hurting them. (Not my scene but that's why they exist--for recreational shooting games.) It's even safer to shoot someone with one of them than a BB gun or a pellet gun.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I'm thinking that they left some sort of statement or signature at the two crime scenes, and I bet if they did, it's airsoft pellets. That would account for so many evidence markers at both scenes. It might also contribute to the reported gruesomeness, make ID difficult.

I think maybe they left traces of clothing at both scenes. That or maybe someone saw them around the same time as each murder took place.

 

[sandbar]

Airsoft is a game. Very unlikely it's related to the murders in any way.

It's a game played with pellets that could be left at a crime scene as a signature, or a statement. It's possible.

 

[sandbar]

Airsoft pellets aren't going to leave gruesome damage. They're designed to be used on people without hurting them. (Not my scene but that's why they exist--for recreational shooting games.) It's even safer to shoot someone with one of them than a BB gun or a pellet gun.

I guess, but they could have just left a handful around.

And also, I get that the pellets aren't meant to cause damage, but if you shot at skin long enough, in around the same area, like a face, damage would occur.

 

[Zella]

, but if you shot at skin long enough, in around the same area, like a face, damage would occur.

SBM

Not really according to people I've talked to.

MOO

 

[Trooper]

SBM

Not really according to people I've talked to.

MOO

Lots of ways to murder people, apart from shooting. With either pellets, or bullets. No reason at all to assume that Miss Deese, Mr Fowler or Prof. Dyck died 'quickly and cleanly' by an exact bullet fired with marksman precision. I am not assuming that, not for a nanosecond. These murders had a distinct air of killing for the hell of it, therefore, anything goes as far as means and method is involved.

Chynna Deese's brother said her body was so difficult to identify because of the brutal violence inflicted upon her. Possibly a reason for the order to make it a closed casket at her burial, also.

 

[sandbar]

SBM

Not really according to people I've talked to.

MOO

Point blank, in sensitive tissue on the face repeatedly, IMO, would cause damage.

 

[KR72]

Airsoft pellets aren't going to leave gruesome damage. They're designed to be used on people without hurting them. (Not my scene but that's why they exist--for recreational shooting games.) It's even safer to shoot someone with one of them than a BB gun or a pellet gun.

That's not the point though, and I never said that airsoft is dangerous, or that the pellets are harmful, or that BS murdered anyone with airsoft pellets. I was initially responding to another poster who wondered if AS knew along that BS had mental health issues, and the system prevented him from getting his son help.

I was trying to say that IF AS knew that Bryer suffered from mental illness and had violent thoughts, and was trying to get him help, would an getting him an airsoft gun be a good idea/ Not due to his physical health/safety, but because of his mental state. Of course airsoft is harmless physically, but is it a good idea for a teen who has fantasies about joining a militia, has trouble dissociating from video games, wants video games to be real etc..? IMO, an already troubled teen could become more immersed in dark fantasies. Not a good combo, imo.

 

[Trooper]

If, in the absence of any other bodies being discovered, Lucas and Chynna were their first venture into murder. It is highly likely that it was messy, incoherent and ghastly.

There is no reason to assume they knew what they were doing, in a technical sense. They would have been jacked up to the max with adrenalin, the both of them getting in each other's way, it is difficult to believe they practiced some sort of choreography, the noise, the scents, the unexpected resilience of the human body, the probably totally unexpected resistance of Lucas and Chynna to being murdered, almost inhuman strength they would have produced up against the adrenalin determination of Kam and Bryer.

There wouldn't have been time to waste on pinging pellets , they had to disable both Chynna and Lucas immediately, to have any success.

Therefore, death by pellet just doesn't make the cut.

 

[Trooper]

That's not the point though, and I never said that airsoft is dangerous, or that the pellets are harmful, or that BS murdered anyone with airsoft pellets. I was initially responding to another poster who wondered if AS knew along that BS had mental health issues, and the system prevented him from getting his son help.

I was trying to say that IF AS knew that Bryer suffered from mental illness and had violent thoughts, and was trying to get him help, would an getting him an airsoft gun be a good idea/ Not due to his physical health/safety, but because of his mental state. Of course airsoft is harmless physically, but is it a good idea for a teen who has fantasies about joining a militia, has trouble dissociating from video games, wants video games to be real etc..? IMO, an already troubled teen could become more immersed in dark fantasies. Not a good combo, imo.

The thing is, Bryer would have got a taste of the thrill of shooting at a human target with the airsoft. That's the point of it. To act out the fantasy without the repercussions, a truly stupid avenue to send a kid down, a kid with , in his own words, problems. And I would bet $100 that AS was asked not to get it , possibly by the mother ( guaranteed not to work, and possibly by the grandmother , almost guaranteed to be disregarded ) .

Until the kid actually desires the repercussions. The actual death , blood, guts, etc.

Bryer probably charmed his way into getting the airsoft. Pleading, sulking, pleading, sulking, the usual 14 yr old boy well documented and well established methods, sometimes they work. AS probably got it to end the nagging. Also, to keep Bryer in the loop of being on AS's side with his war against the Canadian Gov.

 

[LoisLane]

Heard he isn't. In any case, he needs to visit Vancouver if he wants to see his lawyer. She's located downtown Vancouver.

I didn’t realize he was on the mainland. I figured he and his lawyer would use modern conveniences to meet like video conferencing.

 

[KR72]

Memorial for Leonard Dyck planned for September.

Family of B.C. murder victim remembers Leonard Dyck as ‘gentle soul,’ family man

 

[Zella]

That's not the point though, and I never said that airsoft is dangerous, or that the pellets are harmful, or that BS murdered anyone with airsoft pellets. I was initially responding to another poster who wondered if AS knew along that BS had mental health issues, and the system prevented him from getting his son help.

I was trying to say that IF AS knew that Bryer suffered from mental illness and had violent thoughts, and was trying to get him help, would an getting him an airsoft gun be a good idea/ Not due to his physical health/safety, but because of his mental state. Of course airsoft is harmless physically, but is it a good idea for a teen who has fantasies about joining a militia, has trouble dissociating from video games, wants video games to be real etc..? IMO, an already troubled teen could become more immersed in dark fantasies. Not a good combo, imo.

Yes, I understand all that. I was responding specifically to the post that said airsoft pellets would cause significant damage to a person. I don't agree with that statement.

 

[Zella]

Point blank, in sensitive tissue on the face repeatedly, IMO, would cause damage.

Possibly but I feel like at that point why bother, especially since they were almost certainly using real guns?

 

[SovereignSnake]

It is heartbreaking that they killed Mr Dyck and possibly also Chynna and Lucas.

I agree, the whole thing is heartbreaking. For everyone involved. In that comment I was referring specifically to how things ended and why it had to end this way. That in itself is heartbreaking, to me at least. However, I'm not passing judgement or speaking ill or making accusations of anyone involved in this until I see the final report and actual definitive evidence. Everyone is welcome to speculate and there have been a lot of great posts, comments and theories on what actually took place. The small amount of information available is one of the key things which has made this case so utterly fascinating Very obviously yes, Kam and Bryer did kill Leonard. But was it intentional or accidental? I'm unconvinced about Chynna and Lucas. It's also the foremost reason I tend not to talk about them in my comments. If the report comes out and Kam and Bryer are responsible for everything then I will own that.