Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[KR72]

Here's another piece on Leonard. It's from early on in the investigation, but there's some good video of the burned out camper truck for anyone interested.

Who was B.C. murder victim Leonard Dyck?

 

[sandbar]

Possibly but I feel like at that point why bother, especially since they were almost certainly using real guns?

Only if it's a rampage. But really, I'm thinking more like a handful, maybe scattered, as a signature or statement.

 

[Jessthinkin]

Airsoft pellets aren't going to leave gruesome damage. They're designed to be used on people without hurting them. (Not my scene but that's why they exist--for recreational shooting games.) It's even safer to shoot someone with one of them than a BB gun or a pellet gun.

I had a troubled 5th grade student in my class years ago, and his mother gave him airsoft gun.

A few days later, his 3rd grade sister came to school with a massive black eye. When I asked her what had happened, she replied, "Joey shot me in the face." So while airsoft pellets might not kill you, I could see them being used to subdue someone, injure someone, potentially disfigure someone (postmortem?)

 

[Zella]

I had a troubled 5th grade student in my class years ago, and his mother gave him airsoft gun.

A few days later, his 3rd grade sister came to school with a massive black eye. When I asked her what had happened, she replied, "Joey shot me in the face." So while airsoft pellets might not kill you, I could see them being used to subdue someone, injure someone, potentially disfigure someone (postmortem?)

Ouch!

 

[LoisLane]

The reporter apparently spent two weeks with AS but if so, very little of AS being interviewed was aired during those 60 minutes. I have no doubt every unedited interview was later obtained by the RCMP to further their efforts in understanding what led AS to believe the two wanted to be shot by police. That’s a very extraordinary claim for him to have made. It wouldn’t even surprise me if L’s dad was involved in facilitating the AU arrangements.

I wonder how that would have been organized. Maybe between the Aus reporter and RCMP or prearranged through Lucas’s father’s (NSW Chief Inspector) and herself and then turned over to RCMP.

Maybe the communications between AS and BS after they left Port Alberni (mentioned by his lawyer) were in the presence of the 60-Minutes Reporter.

“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.”
B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

 

[KR72]

Does anyone remember the date of the interview when AS said he knew his son would be dead, "in a day or two"?

I don't think that he had anything to do with aiding/abetting, but the Mounties knew a lot more then than they let on and must have told AS something at that point. There was a very quick change in AS's outlook, from "they're two good boys on an adventure to find work" to "suicide mission."

 

[Inkblot]

It's a game played with pellets that could be left at a crime scene as a signature, or a statement. It's possible.

That's a good point. And actually, looking at some photos on Google, the pellets (or BB's) can do some damage or even lodge right in the skin, so yes, in my opinion, it's possible. Maybe BS brought that Airsoft rifle along because it does look very threatening.

 

[MistyWaters]

Here's another piece on Leonard. It's from early on in the investigation, but there's some good video of the burned out camper truck for anyone interested.

Who was B.C. murder victim Leonard Dyck?

This is a screenshot from the video at 00:40. It’s not of the rest stop where the professors body was found because that was quite muddy. And it’s not adjacent to where the truck burned because there’s no white tarp when the camera panned the wreck. But it’s definitely a site of interest just off the side of the road, that somehow connects with the murder investigation of LD.


Who was B.C. murder victim Leonard Dyck?

 

[sandbar]

That's a good point. And actually, looking at some photos on Google, the pellets (or BB's) can do some damage or even lodge right in the skin, so yes, in my opinion, it's possible. Maybe BS brought that Airsoft rifle along because it does look very threatening.

Thanks, and they could have just left a handful scattered around too.

 

[KR72]

This is a screenshot from the video at 00:40. It’s not of the rest stop where the professors body was found because that was quite muddy. And it’s not adjacent to where the truck burned because there’s no white tarp when the camera panned the wreck. But it’s definitely a site of interest just off the side of the road, that somehow connects with the murder investigation of LD.

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Who was B.C. murder victim Leonard Dyck?

Good catch!

 

[LoisLane]

I'm thinking that they left some sort of statement or signature at the two crime scenes, and I bet if they did, it's airsoft pellets. That would account for so many evidence markers at both scenes. It might also contribute to the reported gruesomeness, make ID difficult.

I’m thinking the knife Bryer was pictured with could also be linked to both crime scenes.

 

[MsBetsy]

It'll be heartbreaking if they were found to not be responsible or if it was an accident and they felt they had no choice but to run.

Weren't the murders described as being particularly brutal?
I'm not sure how that could be mistaken for an accident. Imo

 

[MistyWaters]

Does anyone remember the date of the interview when AS said he knew his son would be dead, "in a day or two"?

I don't think that he had anything to do with aiding/abetting, but the Mounties knew a lot more then than they let on and must have told AS something at that point. There was a very quick change in AS's outlook, from "they're two good boys on an adventure to find work" to "suicide mission."

July 21st - RCMP issue media press release asking K&B to contact them.
RCMP in British Columbia - Update - Police seek public assistance in Dease Lake investigation

first interview was recorded July 22nd. He “found out his kid was in northern B.C. this morning”. They’re good kids!
Extended video from Monday: Father of Port Alberni suspect in northern B.C. murder case speaks to CHEK News

July 23rd, the two were named suspects, “armed and extremely dangerous”.

The interview claiming he knows his son will be dead in a day or two was on July 24th.
https://www.lakecowichangazette.com...hs-expects-son-will-go-out-in-blaze-of-glory/
“Alan Schmegelsky, father of Bryer Schmegelsky, poses for a photo during an interview with The Canadian Press in Mill Bay B.C. on Wednesday, July 24, 2019.”

 

[mmsshh]

The fact that they have taken a number of videos raised a lot of questions for me.

First, who did they take the videos for? For the police? I don't think so. I don't think they wanted those videos to be ended up with the police and never see the light of the day. They took those videos because they wanted them to be seen.

Did they take those videos for their families? Not likely. I believe only those 30 seconds were addressed to their families. Saying goodbye and their will and testament.

Did they document those moments hoping that later, when they're safe and successfully evaded the police somehow, and when everyone forgets about them, they upload it on social media? Possible. I don't think suicide was their ultimate move all along. You don't bother driving half the country in panic, hike 8 km in harsh terrains if you want to eventually kill yourself. I think they were hoping that they can get away with it. It was at the very end that they realized there's no escape. So they recorded their last video addresses to their families and killed themselves. Maybe they were hoping that a passer by finds them and their phone, and publish their videos on the internet.

 

[MsBetsy]

SBM

Not really according to people I've talked to.

MOO

They certainly can cause damage, especially to the eyes and ears. That's why goggles and sometimes masks are required during games. Imo

 

[Zella]

They certainly can cause damage, especially to the eyes and ears. That's why goggles and sometimes masks are required during games. Imo

Yes, they should be used with standard gear, but they were being discussed within the context of causing substantial damage, and I just really don't see that. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

Yes, they should be used with standard gear, but they were being discussed within the context of causing substantial damage, and I just really don't see that. MOO

I think the OP had suggested they left pellets behind as a sort of signature, not to suggest they were used as part of the crime, or with the intention of injuring the victims with it.

It was another poster who brought up the fact that they were not dangerous, so I think that's what was misunderstood. Imo

 

[Trooper]

The fact that they have taken a number of videos raised a lot of questions for me.

First, who did they take the videos for? For the police? I don't think so. I don't think they wanted those videos to be ended up with the police and never see the light of the day. They took those videos because they wanted them to be seen.

Did they take those videos for their families? Not likely. I believe only those 30 seconds were addressed to their families. Saying goodbye and their will and testament.

Did they document those moments hoping that later, when they're safe and successfully evaded the police somehow, and when everyone forgets about them, they upload it on social media? Possible. I don't think suicide was their ultimate move all along. You don't bother driving half the country in panic, hike 8 km in harsh terrains if you want to eventually kill yourself. I think they were hoping that they can get away with it. It was at the very end that they realized there's no escape. So they recorded their last video addresses to their families and killed themselves. Maybe they were hoping that a passer by finds them and their phone, and publish their videos on the internet.

eminently workable scenario. I agree, not for the police, not for their families, and certainly , highly likely a part of them wanted the clips for a wider, more … oh.. how shall I put it, a more amenable, a more laissez-faire audience, one that would say 'oh.. naughty , naughty boys.. tsk tsk.. one that might even say, 'well.. they couldn't help it, .you know how it is..'...

For themselves, though, for sure. They wanted to display themselves for each other, mainly. I fear that some of their videos, which I hope never see the light of day will be of them filming each other doing unspeakable things to their victims. It doesn't look like robbery was the motive behind Miss Deese's death, and Mr Fowlers... nothing, a few CD"s perhaps , were taken, so.. one is left with a big gap of why on earth, and your theory and mine works for me.

 

[Zella]

I think the OP had suggested they left pellets behind as a sort of signature, not to suggest they were used as part of the crime, or with the intention of injuring the victims with it.

It was another poster who brought up the fact that they were not dangerous, so I think that's what was misunderstood. Imo

I could see that, but the post I was responding to referred to, and I quote, "gruesome damage."

 

[srper2]

I agree, the whole thing is heartbreaking. For everyone involved. In that comment I was referring specifically to how things ended and why it had to end this way. That in itself is heartbreaking, to me at least. However, I'm not passing judgement or speaking ill or making accusations of anyone involved in this until I see the final report and actual definitive evidence. Everyone is welcome to speculate and there have been a lot of great posts, comments and theories on what actually took place. The small amount of information available is one of the key things which has made this case so utterly fascinating Very obviously yes, Kam and Bryer did kill Leonard. But was it intentional or accidental? I'm unconvinced about Chynna and Lucas. It's also the foremost reason I tend not to talk about them in my comments. If the report comes out and Kam and Bryer are responsible for everything then I will own that.

Sorry, my post didn't explain what I was thinking! I can understand why you were feeling that way. I was also thinking that it is heartbreaking that CD, LF and LD were all murdered for no reason and the two accused wasted their lives and three others for seemingly no reason at all, leaving all their families heartbroken