Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[MistyWaters]

I don't think he was offered an NDA to begin with. Alan has issues, but he was so desperate to see that footage that I think if given the opportunity, he would have signed right away. MOO

AS’s issues could’ve be another reason. The police aren’t going to show a video such that if there’s even a remote chance it could cause him to jump off the deep end, particularly if he’d refused mental health support or was only in the early stages. His personal well-being and as well as the safety of others supersede his rights as a father. Hopefully now he’s now dealing with his issues with somebody who can actually help him heal, as opposed to the media.

 

[Errrr]

Does anyone remember the date of the interview when AS said he knew his son would be dead, "in a day or two"?

I don't think that he had anything to do with aiding/abetting, but the Mounties knew a lot more then than they let on and must have told AS something at that point. There was a very quick change in AS's outlook, from "they're two good boys on an adventure to find work" to "suicide mission."

I’m thinking his son let him in on his dark thoughts now and again.

 

[MsBetsy]

I’m thinking his son let him in on his dark thoughts now and again.

I'm thinking the son may have had similar issues as his father. Imo

 

[Zella]

AS’s issues could’ve be another reason. The police aren’t going to show a video such that if there’s even a remote chance it could cause him to jump off the deep end, particularly if he’d refused mental health support or was only in the early stages. His personal well-being and as well as the safety of others supersede his rights as a father. Hopefully now he’s now dealing with his issues with somebody who can actually help him heal, as opposed to the media.

That's very possible. I would hope, though, that that was communicated to him and Victim Services tried to assist him with receiving help rather than him just being told, "Nope, you can't see it" without any elaboration on why.

 

[MistyWaters]

Other conclusive evidence that would put someone at the scene of any crime would be, finger prints, hair fibers (one or both may have owned pets), fibers from the burned truck & camper, etc.

I agree, I think “significant evidence” is something that directly connects the two to the crime scenes such as you’ve listed. Perhaps even blood droplets on the ground or DNA under the victim’s fingernails if any of the 3 victims had the opportunity to attempt to defend themselves. Could be covering up deep scratches or bites on Bs arms is why he’s wearing the camo jacket in Meadow Lake, while K is only wearing a shirt.

DNA or fingerprints would be huge in linking them to the van, such as on door handles and if they pilfered it or attempted to steal it, anything touched inside.

Tire tracks but shoeprints as well. In a prior Calgary murder trial police were able to determine what footwear the perp was wearing through store receipts and then demonstrate how the sole treads correlated to the shoeprints found at the crime scene.

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm thinking the son may have had similar issues as his father. Imo

This quote is from the book AS apparently wrote in 12 days in October while he was drunk, which he later turned over to the media at the same time the manhunt for his son was ongoing. I don’t get why he released it but this passage eludes to AS regretting turning himself in because the police did him no favours (his version).

It’s eerily sort of on topic of Bs choice to flee and die by suicide.

Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online
“The 53-year-old construction worker wrote that he turned himself in to police over the harassment charge, rather than prompting a 'multi-million dollar, province-wide search', but complained that RCMP wrote a report for the judge in his case casting him as a 'homicidal, suicidal schizophrenic maniac'.

'This proceeding contained three reports: The RCMP Report; the homicidal, suicidal schizophrenic maniac off his meds and going to murder. The Forensic Psychiatric Assessment Report; the delusional, untreatable and needs medication for the rest of his life. And the Probation Services Report; hard worker, never missed an appointment, always courteous, never does drugs, no apparent alcohol problem,' he wrote. ...”

 

[Satchie]

I think AS used the media to get his own way against his ex-wife, rather than against RCMP.

I really don't think RCMP get involved in social welfare cases or try to mediate family disputes, IMO RCMP protocol would be to show the video to next of kin, and allow the primary next of kin ie BS's mother, to decide who would also be in the room to view it, such as BS's grandmother. IMO BS's mother didn't invite AS to view it, and normally that would be the final word as far as RCMP are concerned. They don't want to go around making separate arrangements for all the members of a broken family, they just want one point of contact and let the family sort it out.

But by going to the media/threatening with a lawsuit, RCMP had to make a viewing just for him.

 

[FactFinder3000]

AS’s issues could’ve be another reason. The police aren’t going to show a video such that if there’s even a remote chance it could cause him to jump off the deep end, particularly if he’d refused mental health support or was only in the early stages. His personal well-being and as well as the safety of others supersede his rights as a father. Hopefully now he’s now dealing with his issues with somebody who can actually help him heal, as opposed to the media.

He could just as easily go off the deep end not seeing it.

The RCMP said it was because he wasn't next of kin. So that's why he didn't automatically get to see it.

I said at the very outset that he was panicking and of course they would show it to him eventually. He just needed to approach them the right way. I thought it might happen when they ended their investigation, but it seems the investigation is not going to end any time soon, hence the NDA.

 

[Satchie]

Also to add, the RCMP are the police force in Port Alberni and therefore the local detachment have been interacting with both families from the beginning. However RCMP don't have detachments in the Victoria region, there would be no one to assign this video-viewing project to. Surrey is central headquarters for the RCMP in BC.

I imagine that, in addition to showing the video, detectives might have had a lot of delicate questions to ask close family members, about whether the footage was consistent with the teens personalities, past behaviour, etc. For example, was one being coerced by the other...

 

[Satchie]

I’m thinking his son let him in on his dark thoughts now and again.

Sadly, it might have more often been the other way round, Dad dumping his emotional stuff on his son.

 

[Zella]

I imagine that, in addition to showing the video, detectives might have had a lot of delicate questions to ask close family members, about whether the footage was consistent with the teens personalities, past behaviour, etc. For example, was one being coerced by the other...

SBM

I realize there's a good chance we the public will never see this footage, but I have been very curious if one of them seems to look to the other for cues. They're certainly equally guilty of the crimes, but it could certainly be a clue to see which one was the leader. MOO

 

[FactFinder3000]

... the homicidal, suicidal schizophrenic maniac off his meds and going to murder.

It's interesting how his son ended up being a homicidal, suicidal maniac who murdered. One has to wonder if schizophrenia wasn't involved. It is thought to be somewhat hereditary. And the age of onset tends to be in the teens.

 

[MistyWaters]

He could just as easily go off the deep end not seeing it.

The RCMP said it was because he wasn't next of kin. So that's why he didn't automatically get to see it.

I said at the very outset that he was panicking and of course they would show it to him eventually. He just needed to approach them the right way. I thought it might happen when they ended their investigation, but it seems the investigation is not going to end any time soon, hence the NDA.

I really doubt police showed him the video to prevent him from going off the deep end. If that were so, he indeed requires mental health treatment because what’s going to happen when police release the investigation to prove whatever “significant evidence” links the two to both crime scenes and it’s not blaming his ex wife?

 

[KR72]

SBM

I realize there's a good chance we the public will never see this footage, but I have been very curious if one of them seems to look to the other for cues. They're certainly equally guilty of the crimes, but it could certainly be a clue to see which one was the leader. MOO

I get the feeling that Kam was pulling the strings more than the other way around. Bryer was keen, he reads as almost overly keen and serious. Kam seemed more cool and calm, and not nearly as overt which makes me think he was more of the leader and Bryer his eager accomplice. All moo, and of course I think that they were equally responsible.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I really doubt police showed him the video to prevent him from going off the deep end. If that were so, he indeed requires mental health treatment because what’s going to happen when police release the investigation to prove whatever “significant evidence” links the two to both crime scenes and it’s not blaming his ex wife?

I never said it was shown to him to prevent him from going off the deep end.

 

[MistyWaters]

I get the feeling that Kam was pulling the strings more than the other way around. Bryer was keen, he reads as almost overly keen and serious. Kam seemed more cool and calm, and not nearly as overt which makes me think he was more of the leader and Bryer his eager accomplice. All moo, and of course I think that they were equally responsible.

If this had just been a case of missing teens, I can sure see why B might be eager to flee the years of chaos between his mother, grandmother and his noncustodial father, him stuck in the middle. From the little we know, there were high risk signs of domestic homicide occurring within his family. Then B goes on to be involved in the murder of three innocent people almost as soon as he leaves home. What’s K’s story we don’t know but I’d wonder if B was inappropriately projecting a lot of built up rage onto innocent strangers. I’m not sure B was an accomplice.

 

[Seattle1]

I pleased to read AS was able to see the video. If the video truly withheld due to ongoing investigation, then why allow mother access?

And who defined "next of kin" here -- AS is the father, blood relative!

If about the custodial parent, BS was no longer a minor. MOO

Father of Bryer Schmegelsky seeks access to final video taken before murder suspect’s suicide

August 25, 2019

The video is about what Bryer Schmegelsky wanted to be done with his body after he died, according to an email exchange between the RCMP and Leamon obtained by The Canadian Press.

In the email, an RCMP officer writes that information about Bryer’s wishes was passed on to his mother, who is next of kin.

“At this time we will not be providing access to the video for Alan,” the officer wrote in the email. The message doesn’t say why, but Leamon said the RCMP told her it’s because the investigation is ongoing.

 

[KR72]

And who defined "next of kin" here -- AS is the father, blood relative!

Blood relative doesn't always mean next of kin. Since BS had a job at Walmart, he likely designated his mother as his next of kin.

 

[Jan424]

Perhaps even blood droplets on the ground or DNA under the victim’s fingernails if any of the 3 victims had the opportunity to attempt to defend themselves. Could be covering up deep scratches or bites on Bs arms is why he’s wearing the camo jacket in Meadow Lake, while K is only wearing a shirt.

This could also explain why so much brutal violence was done to Chynna’s face.... if she tried to fight back and inflicted some damage on Bryer (scratches, bites, etc). I can see him becoming enraged in that scenario... MOO

 

[Zella]

I've actually suspected for awhile that the damage to Chynna's face may have been because she was shot in the head from behind and it was an exit wound in her face. MOO