Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[CanadianSleuther]

or two people who were repeatedly described as anxious, paranoid, etc — you’d think the last thing they’d want to do is attract attention on the open roads.

But burning one's truck is a funny way to avoid attracting attention. That alone is still a huge question mark for me? Even if they were responsible for all three murders, the truck is what brought the attention squarly on them in the first place.

 

[Grouper]

But burning one's truck is a funny way to avoid attracting attention. That alone is still a huge question mark for me? Even if they were responsible for all three murders, the truck is what brought the attention squarly on them in the first place.

To me, this seemed like a desperate, panicked attempt at deleting their presence from the scene. They probably thought the truck would burn down to cinders and no one would know they’d ever been there, leaving them to jet off in the RAV

 

[Grouper]

@JoshuaTree too sleepy to express myself on the matter, so just gonna leave some articles here as food for thought:

‘Murder is not a private matter’: RCMP owe public more answers about suspected B.C. killers, critics say | The Star

Toronto shooting survivor says details helped her as RCMP mum on B.C. cases

Edit: I know that there are no living victims in this case, so the second article may be less relatable, but I still think a case like this — which has traumatized a community (Gillam and surrounding area) and affected countless lives across the world — should be put to rest somehow, in some statement. A good portion of Canadians lived in very real fear for their lives for two weeks. Uncertainty and the question of “why?” only fuels the residual effects of trauma. Maybe those people in Northern Manitoba are getting more information than we are due to circumstances/to put them at ease? (but I don’t think that’s likely).

 

[JoshuaTree]

To me, this seemed like a desperate, panicked attempt at deleting their presence from the scene. They probably thought the truck would burn down to cinders and no one would know they’d ever been there, leaving them to jet off in the RAV

Very plausible

 

[Iwondertoo]

and now for something completely different: I know that people found info about BS and KM playing RUST, but is it just a coincidence that there is actually a kids' game called "Death Road to Canada?"

Feature: Road Tripping With Death Road To Canada's Rocketcat Games

apparently there are a a lot of "road trip" video games... makes me go hmmm.

Oh wow. Video games have changed since my kids have played them or maybe I didn't realize games like this were available.

No comment on the game itself so as not to derail the thread but thank you for posting that link. It was very informative to me.

 

[JoshuaTree]

@JoshuaTree too sleepy to express myself on the matter, so just gonna leave some articles here as food for thought:

‘Murder is not a private matter’: RCMP owe public more answers about suspected B.C. killers, critics say | The Star

Toronto shooting survivor says details helped her as RCMP mum on B.C. cases

Thank you for this. I will definitely read the articles in your links (I'm almost ready for bed as well). The more knowledge/education, the better!

 

[MistyWaters]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> ... I think it’s also easy to forget the families of the victims who’s loss and grief is real as opposed the general public anxiousness to read media headlines about a case that has no direct impact on our personal lives whatsoever.

Three unrelated victims families plus B&K’s will be presented the police report prior to hosting a media event. There’s logistics in that happening, which takes time as well. One family is from Australia, another from the US, AS has finally sought support services, who knows what others are presently dealing with but they’re the RCMP’s priority to focus on at this time, not the general public. Families and friends of victims often say hearing the evidence is as bad or worse than the initial devastating shock of learning their loved ones were murdered. Nothing good will come from rushing the process.

 

[Grouper]

Agreed with above. All in due time, of course. I personally have not yet been offended by anyone’s comments, and hope that mine have been taken well. In my previous post I just wanted to point out that there was a community of people that was directly, deeply affected by the case. By no means do I wish to diminish the impact on the Fowler, Deese, and Dyck families.

I thoroughly enjoy the discussion that occurs here and hope it continues. The report will come when it comes, and I trust the rcmp are working honestly and diligently on the case.

 

[Pyecraft]

BUT ..... I need to ask .... truly, what right do we (the public) need to know?? What obligation does the RCMP really owe us - the common public? According to the RCMP (at the moment) there are no other suspects, so they really do not need to tell us anything.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

We are entitled to know if the rcmp believe the dead suspects were responsible for the murders, as citizens of the Province where the crimes were committed. We have a right to public safety, and do not deserve an unnerving silence from the people we pay to enforce our people's laws.

The rcmp obligation is to their half of a contract agreement - we the tax-payer, pay up readily and in return their obligation should be for an honest explanation of how they've earned their part of the agreement by enforcing our laws. Their silence speaks of an arrogant disregard.

If there are no other suspects, then yes they really do need to tell us definitively that our roads are now safe and the killers have been caught. Period. No reason to hedge your bets or fudge the language if you are confident of the truth. But, its looking evermore that they're not confident in their suspicions and are having trouble joining the dots to prove guilt, beyond public scrutiny.

Perhaps you are correct in that a law enforcement agency be allowed exist outside responsibility.
Just that I can't shake off, expecting a little accountability for my tax dollar.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I don't expect the public to know every detail. But a basic timeline and summary on why or why not these two men are responsible is warranted.

 

[Grouper]

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

We are entitled to know if the rcmp believe the dead suspects were responsible for the murders, as citizens of the Province where the crimes were committed. We have a right to public safety, and do not deserve an unnerving silence from the people we pay to enforce our people's laws.

The rcmp obligation is to their half of a contract agreement - we the tax-payer, pay up readily and in return their obligation should be for an honest explanation of how they've earned their part of the agreement by enforcing our laws. Their silence speaks of an arrogant disregard.

If there are no other suspects, then yes they really do need to tell us definitively that our roads are now safe and the killers have been caught. Period. No reason to hedge your bets or fudge the language if you are confident of the truth. But, its looking evermore that they're not confident in their suspicions and are having trouble joining the dots to prove guilt, beyond public scrutiny.

Perhaps you are correct in that a law enforcement agency be allowed exist outside responsibility.
Just that I can't shake off, expecting a little accountability for my tax dollar.

I don’t see the value in arguing about this, as ultimately it will not impact when or if a report comes out. We all have different opinions on the matter, and no one is going to change anyone’s mind here.

Also, I really don’t want this thread shut down. Let’s try to stay on topic

 

[MsBetsy]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>

Is there no Freedom of Information Act there?
Aren't they required to release certain information if it's requested?

 

[Grouper]

Deleted because redundant question, answer below.

 

[MistyWaters]

Is there no Freedom of Information Act there?
Aren't they required to release certain information if it's requested?

A police open investigative file isn’t a court record so no, it’s not available by a FOIA request.

 

[MistyWaters]

Did a (very) brief google and did not find anything of the sort for Canada, but interestingly enough, I found this for Australia:

Freedom of Information Act 1982 - Wikipedia

I wonder what this could mean for the case, if anything. Not sure how much officials in Australia will get in terms of detail from rcmp.

Maybe someone with more knowledge about the subject could unpack this and the potential ramifications for the case?

Even if it were, FOIA requests often take months if not longer. They’re not granted immediately and “private” information is usually blacked out.

Can you imagine the hay-day criminals would have if they could request information in police investigative files under FOIA? Even considering more liberal Sunshine laws in some states in the US, police investigations are always confidential which is why they often to refer to not releasing details as “the importance of the integrity of an investigation”.

Most recently they’ve said the investigation is still ongoing. Toxicology tests often take weeks. We just have to wait.

 

[Esprite]

I do believe it was actually Prof. Dyck's cousin ..... do you happen to have a link to his sister's quote? I have not seen that before.


“We haven’t heard anything from the police… The way that he died — violently and murdered in cold blood — makes it very difficult to process any thoughts at this moment,” Friesen said."

Family of B.C. murder victim remembers Leonard Dyck as ‘gentle soul,’ family man

Also read the cousin's interview, and unable to post a social media link on this site.

My previous comment was in response to the continuing speculation that Dr. Dyck died accidentally.

 

[LoisLane]

2018 is not very long ago

B.C. murder suspect's father reveals details of troubled life in book

Yes, my mistake. I was stuck in 2012 for some reason.

 

[JudgeJudi]

As mentioned, for some reason I also thought it’d been mentioned the investigators made the tripod to sift through the ashes but I’m unable to find the link.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent...ng-twice-about-hiking-camping-trips-1.5223024

 

[JudgeJudi]

So after an odd couple of days, I somehow happened upon the RCMP Press Conference from August 7th. ... Anyway, so I watched it and once again some of the careful wording stuck out to me. At one point Assistant Commissioner Hackett says they have definitive evidence linking the two crime scenes.

After mentioning the autopsies of AM and BS, he said at 1:30, “While we are still waiting for the definitive confirmation of the identities of the two deceased men, we believe that they are in fact the individuals that we were searching for”. This is radically different to having definitive evidence linking the two crime scenes.

He went on to say at 2:30, “We still need to ensure that our investigative findings, whether it’s statements, evidentiary timelines, physical or digital evidence continues to confirm our investigative theory and eliminates any other possibilities or suspects. Until that is completed, we will not conclude this file”.

 

[SovereignSnake]

After mentioning the autopsies of AM and BS, he said at 1:30, “While we are still waiting for the definitive confirmation of the identities of the two deceased men, we believe that they are in fact the individuals that we were searching for”. This is radically different to having definitive evidence linking the two crime scenes.

He went on to say at 2:30, “We still need to ensure that our investigative findings, whether it’s statements, evidentiary timelines, physical or digital evidence continues to confirm our investigative theory and eliminates any other possibilities or suspects. Until that is completed, we will not conclude this file”.

Forgive my use of the words "definitive evidence" I meant "significant evidence." (11:00 in the video) Sorry, it was a long night @JudgeJudi.