CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

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Alexis Daish
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Consistent rain falling here in Gillam today - the military’s Hercules aircraft is helping the search but may be hindered by lightning in the area.

Current weather at Gillam airport (moderate rain, thunderstorms)...

 

[scrappinkat]

Recently?

He’s said he wrote it in October over the span of 12 days.

 

[puppyraiser]

DBM

 

[minorone]

The camper is a separate entity from the truck. These are often found in people’s driveways and yards for sale. A camper of this age likely wouldn’t have an ownership nor would most ask for it on a unit this old.

Everyone I know who owns one has insured it for replacement cost. You either have it added as a rider on your home ownership insurance or by an endorsement on your auto insurance. If your automobile, camper or rv are stolen, any claims for personal items are covered by your homeowner policy.

 

[10ofRods]

I've likely enjoyed your TripAdvisor posts, especially if they are full of common sense and direct information! I follow California, Hawaii, and Road Trip forums. Amazing the absolute lack of planning out there, despite all that's available out there even with just a google search.

With this crime spree, I endorse trying to express the travel conditions, terrain, and climate to those, like myself, who haven't been in those very northern parts of the provinces and who haven't seen what it takes to function in those regions.
For example, it's one thing to look at a Google map and think of these two plotting a course from Ft. Nelson BC to Churchill, MB, but it's another thing entirely to plan out the segments of what you have to do.

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People misinterpret google maps all the time. They pull up a map of "California" and think it's the size of their state (or even the size of their county, ha). A friend of mine (from Michigan) told her parents they could go from L.A. to Sequoia to Yosemite to Tahoe in one day, without any driving after dark. She thought they "looked so close" on the map.

Map reading skills are definitely a thing and not everyone is very good at it.

I keep turning it over in my mind. Kam and Bryer are either very good map readers (and remembers), or they are average (ahem, good luck to them) or they have no skills at all.

The second issue is of course whether they think (or thought) they have skills. Many studies show that it's the people who are average, or below, who are more competent they have the skill/can pass the test, etc. They have apparently gotten themselves from BC through a very long drive - but...we don't know if it was intended and mapped out. Their frustration, if where they are and what they ended up doing was unintentional, must be exceedingly high, and they are probably completely lost at this point. Or dead.

If it turns out that they have actually managed to elude LE and are somewhere far away, then I'm going with "know how to remember maps and geography pretty well." I am not sure I can call that mere luck.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Another tidbit on BS's dad

"Court records indicate his father has a lengthy criminal record."

Western Canada: Nationwide manhunt for B.C. murder suspects stretches on

 

[afitzy]

Article describing a bit more of the initial missing report and how the body was located:
Teens Reported Missing In Canada After Their Burning Vehicle Is Discovered Near Dead Body
Quotes from article:
"The Dease Lake Royal Canadian Mounted Police discovered the vehicle fire on Highway 37, on Friday, July 19. However, the drivers of the vehicle, 19-year-old Kam McLeod and 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, have now been reported missing, according to a statement from authorities".

"As police were responding to the fire, a motorist driving by reported that he spotted what he thought was a man’s body just over a mile away from the fire. Authorities searched and discovered a dead male, according to The Vancouver Sun".

 

[gitana1]

Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online

Holy smokes ya'all. Way to capitalize on your son's murder spree and ultimate death.

 

[Gardenista]

Another tidbit on BS's dad

"Court records indicate his father has a lengthy criminal record."

Western Canada: Nationwide manhunt for B.C. murder suspects stretches on

We can't discuss it, but somebody posted the link last night so we could look it up.

CSO - Search Traffic/Criminal By Participant Name

 

[Herat]

All this talk of accepting risk while travelling triggered a memory of a story that happened here in Manitoba a couple of summers ago - in the vicinity of where BS and KM were last seen.

These two (very lucky) dimwits who tried to paddle the Hayes with a fibreglass canoe made it on foot all the way from the Hayes River to Gillam, over 100 km through the dense bush and muskeg.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/german-paddlers-unprepared-hayes-canoe-trip-1.4269352

Wow, what a great story.

Very timely, too.

 

[Gina20]

Yes it was both HIV and Hep C. The payouts were as low as $10,000.

Sadly, needles used in Canada for medical purposes were recycled until sometime during the 1960s or early 1970s. Now baby boomers who had none of the risk factors for hepatitis are being urged to seek out testing, through no fault of their own. This saga may not be over. OT, sorry.

 

[Errrr]

All this talk of accepting risk while travelling triggered a memory of a story that happened here in Manitoba a couple of summers ago - in the vicinity of where BS and KM were last seen.

These two (very lucky) dimwits who tried to paddle the Hayes with a fibreglass canoe made it on foot all the way from the Hayes River to Gillam, over 100 km through the dense bush and muskeg.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/german-paddlers-unprepared-hayes-canoe-trip-1.4269352

Well, they don’t look moth eaten! Same time of year too.

 

[OldCop]

Going back to the beginning of this whole tragedy, we have discussed whether this is all a large, planned thrill kill for these suspects or something else. Here are my thoughts/theories:

7/15 I believe the murders of LF and CD were unplanned. KM and BS may have come upon the van and believed it to be abandoned on the side of the road, but unoccupied. They were short of cash and may have thought they could break in and steal something that they could use. Is it possible that the suspects planned to steal the van not realizing it was broken down?
I believe they may have awakened Lucas and Chynna when they opened the side door to the van. I would guess the victims were sleeping towards the back and when they woke up, they startled the 2 suspects. A shot was fired towards them causing the glass to spray outside the van as indicated in some reports. One of them may have been hit. At some point the victims were murdered. We don’t know if they were murdered in or out of the van. They may have been led outside and executed there or dragged out after being shot. LE have not indicated if there was blood inside the van or if the bodies had been moved.
Is there any chance that the “argument” described by a witness could have been KM and BS arguing with each other because one had fired the shots that killed the victims?
At any rate, they were now on the run.

The killers then made they way over 7 hours away to the vicinity of Dease Lake where they laid low for a few days.
7/18 they were spotted at Dease Lake around 3:15. They were probably listening to radio reports and knew neither the victims nor the suspects had been identified.
On 7/19, suspect’s truck/camper was found burning about 12 miles south of Dease Lake, LD’s body was found about a mile away from the burning vehicle. A few people had come forward by this time who were witnesses at the double homicide site before the murders. Perhaps KM and BS thought a witness might come forward who had seen their camper at the scene. This propelled them to burn their camper, kill LD, and steal his vehicle. This was a panicky move and not well thought out. They were probably very happy to hear later on that LD was unidentified at the time and so there was no bolo for the vehicle in which they were traveling.
By 7/21, they had made their way about 22 hours east to Cold Lake where they were assisted after being stuck, (maybe they had camped in there), and an hour and a half further to Meadow Lake where they were picked up on the video camera. I believe they took Route 16 to Cold Lake.
By 7/22, they had driven an additional 14 hours to Gillam where they eventually burned the RAV4. They may have realized they were at a dead end and would have to double back and couldn’t risk being seen in the dead man’s vehicle.
It wasn’t until 7/23 that they were named suspects in the murders. By that time they very well could have found a way out of Gillam. If that was the case and they were able to get far enough east, all they have to do is stay out of sight by keeping to backwoods hunting and fishing cabins spread over hundreds and thousands of acres until the search is scaled back. Hopefully, they have not harmed anyone else.
I do not think we have any genius killers here. We have 2 boys on the run who have always been one step ahead of LE, not because of their smarts and cunning, but because of pure luck i.e. not being connected with the double homicide and then being thought to be missing themselves as victims, not perpetrators. They were running because they knew what they had done, but LE initially did not.

MOO trying to put together a scenario based on what we do know.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Forgive me if this is already posted, but this article contains the first page of some of the chapters in AS's book. No, I am not going to buy the book and I realize that it probably has not been fact checked. But he does allude to having issues in his writings. Also, he is considered a victim on this site so we must be very careful in sleuthing anyone peripheral to the suspects per TOS, unless MSM declares otherwise. I just wanted to post this as a reminder to us all and for newbies. Thanks. Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online

Wow. Just wow. Daily Mail's byline:

"EXCLUSIVE: Brazen father of Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new memoir he wrote in 12 days while drunk and it lays bare the dysfunctional household in which the 'killer' was raised"

 

[Gina20]

I don't think psychopaths really care what their mothers have to say. JMO.

Not a critique of anyone, just a statement of how young men's minds normally work in normal situations. Which these are not.

 

[SnooperDuper]

We can't discuss it, but somebody posted the link last night so we could look it up.

CSO - Search Traffic/Criminal By Participant Name

Thank you for that. That's a lot of hits.

 

[SiciC]

Some people are saying the grandmother or family of one of the teens reported them missing? I don't think so, I was under the impression they were only considered missing after their burned out truck was located without them anywhere to found... LE probably traced the truck back to it's owner which we can assume was one of their families, likely Kams, and then learned that they hadn't heard from the teens and the truck they were travelling in shouldn't be burned without them nearby, and in an area where murders had recently taken place... and so they became "missing".

 

[10ofRods]

Article describing a bit more of the initial missing report and how the body was located:
Teens Reported Missing In Canada After Their Burning Vehicle Is Discovered Near Dead Body
Quotes from article:
"The Dease Lake Royal Canadian Mounted Police discovered the vehicle fire on Highway 37, on Friday, July 19. However, the drivers of the vehicle, 19-year-old Kam McLeod and 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, have now been reported missing, according to a statement from authorities".

"As police were responding to the fire, a motorist driving by reported that he spotted what he thought was a man’s body just over a mile away from the fire. Authorities searched and discovered a dead male, according to The Vancouver Sun".

Thank you. So, in this report, Dyck's body is over a mile away (from the burning camper and truck.) But not far from where they grabbed the Rav4, right?

The pair must have carried quite a few things (in backpacks?) away from their burning truck. If Dyck was shot (which we don't know), then one of those things was a gun. LE hasn't mentioned whether they left behind their airsoft, but I bet they didn't. And I don't think Chynna and Lucas were shot with the airsoft, personally.

So...when they went into the Co-op, where could their stuff have been? Did they still have the RAV4 at that point?

 

[MassGuy]

Some people are saying the grandmother or family of one of the teens reported them missing? I don't think so, I was under the impression they were only considered missing after their burned out truck was located without them anywhere to found... LE probably traced the truck back to it's owner which we can assume was one of their families, likely Kams, and then learned that they hadn't heard from the teens and the truck they were travelled in shouldn't be burned without them nearby, and in an area where murders had recently taken place... and so they became "missing".

That’s exactly what appears to have happened.

 

[Peace777]

The cover of the dad's "book/manuscript" (but it's really just a drunken rant/crazy thoughts) gives me the creeps . I hope he's being watched as well, this case is getting weirder and weirder. JMO