CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[Ksask]

Any one else think that they are already dead?

I think they committed suicide.

 

[Errrr]

Yall ever get the feeling that somewhere in a cheap motel room outside Winnipeg, that these two young killers, just might be sitting up in beds, eating pizza, and laughing at all this hardware and manpower up near Gillam ?....moo

LOL, and now a pizza parlour 45 minutes out from the ninth largest city, population 1,265!!!

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I imagine that the Hercules C130-H can take very high resolution photographs of every square inch of the area.

The question then is, how good is their software at finding images of bodies in that data?

 

[Trooper]

Bonjour / bonsoir mes frères et soeurs canadiens, un autre jour.

Another day, eh?....

Maybe they've joined up with Derek and combining their meagre stock of food and ammo. Or keeping each other warm. Or, maybe, Derek dealt with them swiftly and terminally and is taking advantage of the search for them to head off in the opposite direction.

Thankyou to all contributors, it takes yonks to read but is worth every minute.

I do think they are dead . By their own hand is possible, or more likely by a series of idiotic choices and mistakes, or a shoot out between each other. Over the last biscuit.

My money is on the RCMP , whatever the outcome.

 

[Andreee]

Did the bear look satiated?

As a Canadian, I keep reading here about how a polar bear may've attacked and/or consumed the 2 men, but I have to say that attacks by polar bears on humans are fairly rare.

 

[scrappinkat]

If I were a black fly, that’s what I would tell them to do.

There’s nothing to say that they even have one rifle, except maybe a BB gun from Walmart. They’ve been charged with second degree murder of LD, but the police have not specified (publicly) the cause of death as being shot. They are only suspects in the Fowler and Deese but not charged. The police say they are armed and dangerous which could be referring to their knowledge that one of them has a knife.

 

[Snoop Sister]

As a Canadian, I luv our wildlife, and sometimes black bears make their way into urban centres and for safety reasons

As a Canadian, I keep reading here about how a polar bear may've attacked and/or consumed the 2 men, but I have to say that attacks by polar bears on humans are fairly rare.

Yes I know...I was joking.

 

[Andreee]

Yes I know...I was joking.

Ah, ok I should've noticed that you are a Canadian as well We know our bears!

 

[Kaie]

Any one else think that they are already dead?

I lean a bit toward them having fled the area, and not having burned that 2nd vehicle before they knew where the next one was coming from. They clearly knew from the start that keeping on the move, and moving fast, is the key.

The possibility of them already being dead is pretty high on my list still though. If that were the case, I wonder what the degree of difficulty would be for finding them. Treacherous conditions, but an enormous amount of resources.

 

[Estrojane]

I really don't think Bryer is the leader... I think they're mostly on the same level but (imo) Kam clearly looks like the more confident one, while Bryer appears to be blindly following him through the store .. not even looking at Kam at all, just following him obediently while fidgeting around with his hands and Kam appears to be looking for something. Possibly they were just trying to act nonchalant while Bryer concealed something they had shoplifted, as some people have speculated he was doing... Kam also says something as they're leaving, possibly a "thank you" to the cashier, but Bryer appears to be quiet.

Also, one of them being in front of the other wouldn't really matter in regards to LE finding them... they'd both be going down either way

They seem to have a sort of Dellen Millard/Mark Smich thing going on. Kam coming from a well to do family and Bryer from, well,.... Bryer always at Kams house and never the other way around. Both discovering shared interests in things normal people don't have an interest in. Kam is the leader and Bryer his willing minion.

If they are heading towards the 3 hydro dams, thus trying to fulfil a Lanius Fallout game fantasy, then Kam is Ceasar and Bryer is Lanius(hence his dorky looking camo wear).

However, I could be totally off base with this.

 

[PingTheRouter]

I called non-emergency OPP line, gave all the info, descriptions, etc heard lots of typing

takes a lot of guts to pick up the phone and call its an intimidating process, i think you did a good job for whatever thats worth

 

[huntergerrard]

I lean a bit toward them having fled the area, and not having burned that 2nd vehicle before they knew where the next one was coming from. They clearly knew from the start that keeping on the move, and moving fast, is the key.

The possibility of them already being dead is pretty high on my list still though. If that were the case, I wonder what the degree of difficulty would be for finding them. Treacherous conditions, but an enormous amount of resources.

Nothing says they didn't drive two vehicles into Gillam and leave with one.

 

[modernpenny]

I think they committed suicide.

I am starting to wonder myself, or if they just succumbed to the elements. Infuriating...I think every one wants answers.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Bonjour / bonsoir mes frères et soeurs canadiens, un autre jour.

Another day, eh?....

Maybe they've joined up with Dennis and combining their meagre stock of food and ammo.Or keeping each other warm. Or, maybe, Dennis dealt with them swiftly and terminally and is taking advantage of the search for them to head off in the opposite direction.

Thankyou to all contributors, it takes yonks to read but is worth every minute.

I do think they are dead . By their own hand is possible, or more likely by a series of idiotic choices and mistakes, or a shoot out between each other. Over the last biscuit.
BBM
My money is on the RCMP , whatever the outcome.

Bonjour my friend from down under...
Why do you keep calling him Dennis? lol...his name is Derek or am I missing something?

 

[Trooper]

So, NSW police were working at odds with the RCMP after all.

It’s looking ‘less likely’ that B.C. murder suspects are still in Gillam, Man.: expert

When Fowler and Deese’s deaths were announced publicly, the RCMP didn’t initially include the detail that they had been shot. That fact was, however, released by NSW Police.

A harsh call, and would be the first time in history that the NSW were at odds with the RCMP. .. Way back in 2010, when Gittany murdered a Canadian girl in Sydney, not far from where I live, a horrible , horrible event, the RCMP and the NSW police worked in the smoothest harmony and professional expertise. It was /is the usual thing.. …

This was probably the kind of mixup that can happen over two different time zones and two continents. .. The fact that the father put the info up is significant, too.

 

[huntergerrard]

They seem to have a sort of Dellen Millard/Mark Smich thing going on. Kam coming from a well to do family and Bryer from, well,.... Bryer always at Kams house and never the other way around. Both discovering shared interests in things normal people don't have an interest in. Kam is the leader and Bryer his willing minion.

If they are heading towards the 3 hydro dams, thus trying to fulfil a Lanius Fallout game fantasy, then Kam is Ceasar and Bryer is Lanius(hence his dorky looking camo wear).

However, I could be totally off base with this.

I've said this all along, they reminded me of Millard and Smich. Thrill killing, even down to playing on Steam. Unlikely, but I wonder if they ever played on the same games together.

 

[minn77]

Nothing says they didn't drive two vehicles into Gillam and leave with one.

Other than it being reported Bryer didnt know how to drive. K could have taught him without his family knowing

 

[Canadagurl]

Sorry if I've missed it but what was LD doing on that road?
How did the boys get this gun?
Was it LDs gun? Was LD a hunter?

Could the boys have accidentally hit LD and dragged his body before they realized?

Again, I apologize. I cannot wrap my head around this!
Maybe it's the 'mom of teens' in me that wants to believe this was never their first intention.

 

[SteveP]

I think KM and BS are still alive and out of town, still on the move, but IF they are dead, I do not believe it is from suicides. For those of you who believe that they have committed suicide, I am curious as to why you believe that. As I stated earlier, I don't think they have the balls to, but I think if they did kill themselves, it would only be as the last resort, once they are pinned down and about to be taken...and I don't see the situation being close to that yet. Why would they kill themselves at this point?

 

[afitzy]

Thank you for the link.

Yeah, you have to be a pretty seasoned canoeist with experience in overcoming rapids. Are these two seasoned? Did they learn how to manoeuvre a canoe with ease? Maybe they can walk along the bank if they encounter water that is too turbulent. Somehow I don't think their survivalist skills are that awesome, how could they be, they were not born in the bush, so to speak. And Mother Nature is unforgiving and deadly a lot of the time even when your skills are awesome. But these two deranged individuals are very determined, so I'll count that the as a strong force to keep them going, hopefully into the path of a pack of wolves or a polar bear....

Don't disagree with the challenges of this at all. Did some of this type of travel in CO and even being prepared and experienced I was oftentimes shocked at the wildlife factor along the rivers (bears, coyote, wolves etc.) along with the quickly changing weather conditions.

But am trying to think about options the 2 suspects might have had available to them around the time of the RAV4 burning?

There was a window where they had the jump on the RCMP and I wonder what options did they see as being viable escape choices? Would they go low risk choice or high risk choice? Stay in Gillam or go on the move? Go back east or try to head north or even head south?

Heading into the bush seems unlikely IMO as even they would have realized they were unprepared and under supplied. These were 2 guys from the suburbs that had just gotten stuck in the muck in a RAV4 and probably already had a taste of what further travel into the bush would entail.

They might not be the brightest bulbs but don't seem them intentionally heading to their deaths by going into the bush under prepared. They most likely didn't have much money either at this point and it appears they didn't take any of the camping gear in their prior vehicle. Or, could they have help and someone that provided them with the resources and things that would allow them to stay hidden for now 4 days? IDK.

But then again maybe they are on a suicide mission and they went into the bush and let mother nature take its course? IDK. Not sure I buy this as at heart I would bet that they are cowards and do not want to die. But, we shall see.