CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #7

[MistyWaters]

I think it’s possible when they got to town the gas station was already closed and they had no where to go.

They were at a gas station at Split Lake on the Monday, bought only $20 worth of gas. They can’t have intended to go very far on that.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/b-c-homicide-suspects-manitoba-1.5222542

 

[Estrojane]

A report above said they were running erratically. Exhaustion surely, and who knows what they have eaten along the way. Hoping they give up.

Could be because they though they would be shot at.

 

[Carpetchick]

If you follow the tracks out of Gillam they come close to a road which forks away from the tracks and heads to York Landing, so it might make sense that they are in York Landing but one sighting is not 100% so ....we will have to see. I can’t see being able to use dogs in this type of terrain.

 

[SBurrus]

I wondered if their game plan was to get to York Factory and then try to sail Hudson Bay to land somewhere in upper Ontario/Quebec. It would have been crazy, but then so is murdering people IMHO.

But if they were going to sail Hudson Bay, they were closer to Hudson Bay in Gillam, rather than traveling 200 km southwest to York Landing.

 

[jmarshmarsh]

They were at a gas station at Split Lake on that same Monday, bought only $20 worth of gas. They can’t have intended to go very far on that.

True. They could’ve just been topping up the tank or that was the last of their cash too? I feel like we will never know many details.

 

[MNT]

They were at a gas station at Split Lake on that same Monday, bought only $20 worth of gas. They can’t have intended to go very far on that.

Enough to drive only a little further then use the rest to torch the vehicle perhaps? The fire was said to be sizeable.

 

[10ofRods]

"Schmegelsky writes in the book that a forensic psychologist diagnosed him as "delusional," a conclusion he disagreed with. His lawyer described him as "autistic" at one point, he writes, and he was ordered to attend a crisis counselling centre but couldn't afford to attend for very long as it wasn't a government program."

News Article from CTV News:

I think that this excerpt from BS' dad is so telling. In order for a client to have an assessment provided by forensic psychiatry they:
1) may have a significant mental health history warranting further investigation on a particular charge OR
2) are charged with a crime in which they may deemed "not criminally responsible" after having a psychiatric assessment.

Either way, this information leads me to believe that BS may be predisposed to a potentially psychotic mental illness (ie. Psychosis - ie. schizophrenia or otherwise - aka a delusional disorder).
As a nurse whom works within psychiatry in Canada, AB, this is my current assessment given the provided information.

I honestly can't help but be fascinated by this case. MOO.

It seems almost certain that BS has fixed delusions, interesting that his dad was the same diagnosis. It's definitely got a genetic component. However, I don't think it's schizophrenia or any other Axis I diagnosis (too functional; isn't impeding their progress on a difficult mission; is able to locate and use resources - unless of course his partner is doing all that, which I doubt). I am referring to what we apparently know about his liking of both Nazis and Putin/Trump. Of course, at his age, this could definitely be the onset of schizophrenia. Will be interesting to see how it's handled legally.

Nice to meet you - I'm not a clinician, I do applied research in jails and mental hospitals.

 

[Kubirai]

I think it’s possible when they got to town the gas station was already closed and they had no where to go.

They purchased $20 worth of gas at Split Lake, and drove to Fox Lake, almost end of the road.

Then they burnt the vehicle in a bush, using a lot of gasoline, probably thinking all DNA evidence will be completely destroyed.

 

[Herat]

If I had to guess, the landfill would be the lower right hand corner of that pic. I was looking earlier on google maps as well and this is the only place that makes sense to me.

I think it's the small turnout with towards the north next to the "waste water ponds".

Maps

Fairly solid woods there. The heat seeking radar would be extremely helpful.

As long as LE can get a perimeter around the north end, they have them controlled and it's only a matter of time

Most of all, they need to be kept away from the townspeople and stopped from attacking LE.

 

[MesquiteO21]

They've got to have a case of foot rot developing by now.

Ohhhh file that under “things I definitely should not have google image searched”

 

[musicaljoke]

I would think if they were holed up in a cabin, too, they wouldn't have had to go rummage through the dump for food since folks have been talking about how the cabins are usually kept stocked.

Actually, I don't think that the cabins have a lot of food. There wouldn't be a fridge. Stuff freezes in the winter. Mice get into everything. There might not be much food in the cupboards. Probably some salt, and maybe a jar of rice.

 

[otto]

i believe the landfill is the green and the sewage lagoon is the red

I was thinking farther East

 

[Satchie]

We will have to see. I can’t see being able to use dogs in this type of terrain.

I was thinking, the dogs are often used in my neck of the woods to take down suspects in heavy bush. The dogs go into attack mode and the suspect surrenders to get the dog off them.

 

[Herat]

you will smell or hear the bear before you see it, at night

what exactly does a bear smell like? lol

My dad told me that bear attack victims always complained about the smell of rotten meat on it's breath

 

[srper2]

All very true! There are a lot of assumptions right now. I strangely hope these two are responsible for all the horror because if it is not them.....?

I don't yet believe they are responsible for "all the horror". I don't know what happened with Mr. Dyck, but none of that makes any sense and we don't know if other people were also involved. It is far more likely that Chynna and Lucas were murdered by the man seen arguing with them and making gestures right near their van late at night (11.30pm?), after which their bodies were discovered and reported a few hours later (6.45am?)- than the speculative scenario that the 2 teenagers detoured down to stop on the side of the road and murder/rob them. If they were murderers to this scale, they would have certainly killed other people in the past extremely stressful week and as far as reported, they have not even threatened anybody during this time, when desperate have not even stolen clothing and have gone to the dump.

 

[zecats]

A little more about York Landing, the sight of police searches from Kat Eschner.

The community of York Landing is approximately 11 sq km and has a population of 443 people, according to the 2016 census, and about 116 dwellings. It sits on the eastern bank of the Nelson River, which flows into Hudson’s Bay.

The pair were spotted by members of the Bear Clan Patrol, an Indigenous patrol group based in the provincial capital of Winnipeg that has been assisting community members in the Fox Lake Cree Nation, which is beside Gillam, and nearby communities, as the RCMP look for the fugitives.

When the men were spotted, they ran into the trees, according to members of the Bear Clan Patrol.

Canada murders: York Landing residents told to stay indoors as police search for suspects - live

 

[cc73]

Also, same article mentioned that BS' dad "couldn't afford to attend for very long as it wasn't a government program."
My comment is that I am:
- not sure if mental health services are the same in BC as they are in Alberta however there are many low- to no cost services available for people experiencing mental health concerns.

That there is!!!!

 

[Estrojane]

The walk is too long, and they would have to cross Nelson River. The train goes north at Fox Lake.

If these guys are actually found in York Landing First Nation community, they may have taken a canoe down Nelson River from the converter station area, at the very end of the road.

Back in July 2017 those 2 German tourists were canoeing down Hayes River, to get to historic York Factory.

Theseg guys may have heard about their muskeg hike to Gillam from someone working at Keeyask.

I think they did cross the Nelson River.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I wonder if they even have a gun at this point.

 

[Snoopster]

I wondered if their game plan was to get to York Factory and then try to sail Hudson Bay to land somewhere in upper Ontario/Quebec. It would have been crazy, but then so is murdering people IMHO.

York Landing is different than York Factory. York Factory is on Hudson's Bay, while York Landing is across a lake from Split Lake MB, well southwest of Gillam.