CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #7

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Kate Lyons ✔ @MsKateLyons


UPDATE: suspects still at large, emergency teams continuing searches with dogs and heavily armoured officers. From Leroy Constant, chief of York Factory First Nation. #Canadamanhunt

Follow for updates: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/jul/29/canada-manhunt-police-travel-to-york-landing-after-sighting-of-teen-suspects-live …

Very odd what the Guardian is doing. It has UK, US and Australian editions, and they’ve decided to try and run this story from Australia instead of from their NY office, which works with Canadian writers. Maybe their Australian office is underworked

Generally a good newspaper though; I read it daily.

 

[minorone]

The police have not said how Mr Dyck died, and they have not said that they believe these guys shot the couple, they have said they are suspects only. The police have not even provided any evidence these guys even had a gun!

That is standard LE protocol in Canada. They do not release the evidence to the public prior to the trial.

 

[Kiantra]

They are currently charged with the murder of all three.

Omg haven’t seen that. I thought only one charge as of today. Can you please share the link on this info.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Does each province have more than one federal pen? Because...if not...they may end up in two different provinces, right?

Most do and BC have 2 ...Stony and Mission. Ontario have 4 and Alberta 4 including the remand. Inmates are placed in accordance with their security level assessment. Anyone is welcome to correct me if wrong,

 

[MistyWaters]

Pretty well all of northern Manitoba is First Nations territory...
First Nations were on alert. RCMP seemingly wasnt

Not sure why the darts directed at the RCMP but I thought the RCMP leveraging with the Bear Clan Patrol was absolutely brilliant! They know their people who in turn know their land and territory best.

Winnipeg's Bear Clan Patrol to act as 'ambassadors' as Mounties hunt fugitives
“For the first time, members of the Winnipeg-based Bear Clan Patrol are travelling to remote First Nations in Northern Manitoba amid the massive hunt for two fugitives suspected in two homicides in Northern B.C.

Six Bear Clan Patrol members from Winnipeg flew into Gillam, Man., to provide support and services for residents in three smaller communities surrounding the town at the centre of a nationwide search for the suspected killers....”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mani...loyed-gillam-manitoba-first-nations-1.5227719

 

[otto]

@otto - please confirm.

Several posts here showing Gillam (not Fox Lake car burn) to the Split Lake Ferry via MB 280 is about 2 hour drive -- 173.km.

Big discrepancy to your 7 hour post.

(Ferry: Split Lake to York Landing about 1.5 hours).

Thanks.

MOO

This map illustrates the distance from the current search area to their burned car including a stop in Gillam.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Chief Leroy Constant reports "Currently heavy winds are limiting helicopter and drones". Canada murders: York Landing residents told to stay indoors as police search for suspects - live

 

[Zella]

So some think these two are holing up in terrible conditions and searching dumps for food for just running over a man by accident?Sorry I don't buy it.

Thank you! They had ample time to come forward when they were only declared missing, too. These are not the actions of innocent men. MOO

 

[srper2]

Very odd what the Guardian is doing. It has UK, US and Australian editions, and they’ve decided to try and run this story from Australia instead of from their NY office, which works with Canadian writers. Maybe their Australian office is underworked

Generally a good newspaper though; I read it daily.

DD

 

[Herat]

BS may have a jacket but it sounds like KM doesnt have a coat. It will be ~ 43 tonight with 90% chance of light rain. That's very cold, damp, and really uncomfortable. KM might actually be at risk of hypothermia, depending on how cold it gets. A long miserable night for these two, likely with the sound of search dogs not far away

 

[Peace777]

Any links please?

I don't remember where the "rumor" was posted even if I remembered where it was i couldn't post it

 

[scrappinkat]

Anyone else think this wasn’t something planned? Not the killing spree and real life game of survival we originally thought? It seems like they are running scared. I’m not convinced they killed the young couple and is it possible they killed LD accidentally and panicked.

I’m sitting right beside you.

 

[10ofRods]

Thank you! They had ample time to come forward when they were only declared missing, too. These are not the actions of innocent men. MOO

Why would anyone come forward if they heard they were missing? They might make a phone call to their families, if they wanted. But apparently their families never claimed they were missing.

I agree they're not acting innocent. And I believe there are plenty of reasons to charge them with Prof Dyck's homicide. But let's not overstate the charges. It's a second degree murder charge, implying no premeditation (which could change of course).

At any rate, I doubt they knew that they were in the media until after they stole the RAV4.

 

[CanadianMade]

Can I just say that I am impressed with the patience some of you seem to have.
I'm over hear fuming about people claiming all these things that are not verified and you guys are just so calmly asking for links.

 

[Seattle1]

A community in northern Manitoba continues to be on lockdown after two B.C. murder suspects were reportedly spotted at its landfill Sunday afternoon.

Members of a volunteer patrol group told police they spotted Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky near York Landing.

James Favel, the executive director of Bear Clan Patrol, said seven members headed up to York Landing, a town of around 400 people, and spotted two strange men matching the descriptions of McLeod and Schmegelsky near the dump around 4:15 p.m. local time.

“They appeared to be scavenging food out of the dump.”

Favel said that when the two men realized they were seen “bolted across the road past through sewage lagoon and into a tree line and disappeared.”

In an update posted just before 9 p.m. local time, Manitoba RCMP said no one was in custody and Mounties remain on scene.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/new...lowing-tip-about-b-c-murder-suspect-sighting/

 

[Ruprect]

I have not read about any evidence mentioned by LE that they came into contact with any of those found dead other then their say so. We know that charges have been laid in relation to one but no idea what they are based on. My own thinking is, it has to do with the them being linked to the car that the professor was driving, possibly cards and or phone used since, also the proximity of their burned truck... but again, just me guessing.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

As of July 25th:

B.C. RCMP say they’re still working on charging suspects for Fowler, Deese murders

 

[minn77]

We also have Health Units in small and bigger cities that offer mental health help, grief counselling and the like, for free.

You usually get what you pay for. I have nothing good to say about the mental health help in canada.

 

[Charzien]

Does each province have more than one federal pen? Because...if not...they may end up in two different provinces, right?

While on remand - awaiting or attending trial - they would be held in one of the provincial facilities. Once sentenced, if the sentence is over 2 years, they would go to a Federal Penitentiary, and could go to any province. They could be in the same provincial facility while on remand, but likely would not be housed on the same units. The reason they might be in the same facility is if their lawyers argue for them to, for example, remain housed on Vancouver Island for ease of family visits. I worked in Youth Corrections in BC for 15 years, but also: here's a Wikipedia page on incarceration in Canada: Incarceration in Canada - Wikipedia

 

[Seattle1]

York Landing is located to the southwest of Gillam, where police previously believed McLeod and Schmegelsky to be. A trip by car is about 3.5 hours or 200 kilometres long and requires a ferry but locals say about 62 kilometres of train tracks, as well as a trail, connect the two communities.

Mounties are asking residents to not reveal exact police locations.

https://www.surreynowleader.com/new...lowing-tip-about-b-c-murder-suspect-sighting/