CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #7

[LadyL]

According to Wikipedia York Landing has a population of 464 and it consists of 123 dwellings. Is it possible that a couple of residents were out at the dump getting rid of something they shouldn't be disposing of, or possibly rooting around for some useful stuff - a piece of discarded furniture or something - and when they saw the FN truck they hightailed it into the bush, thinking they might get fingered for breaking the local dump rules? I hope the sighting was really of the fugitives but there is the question of the how they traversed the water as well as the fact of that railway from Churchill to Winnipeg, right through Gillam. A passenger train at least once a week, according to the VIA Rail schedule at Winnipeg-Churchill - Train Schedules and definitely freight trains as well carrying goods to those isolated communities at other times. Looks like a bit of a twist and turn on the tracks near Gillam - perfect for hooking a ride.

they were wearing the same clothing as the suspects

 

[CanadianMade]

It’s in quotes, and matches other things they quoted him saying. So yes, I believe he said it.

Here is a link to the video:

Father of murder suspect speaks out

He doesn't actually say "go down in a blaze of glory"

 

[Trooper]

I’ve seen discussion and anger about the dad’s interview where he broke down crying and saying he failed his son. There’s been much disdain about his saying his son wants to go down in a blaze of glory. Did the dad actually say that?? Or was it the person who wrote the article?

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It appears so. In a perfect world, someone would pull Dad back into the woodshed and keep him there till any reporter was 1000 klms away. He is unable, I think, to distinguish the impact of his words in a global sense.

 

[LoisLane]

Here is what the head of the Bear Clan Patrol told Global about what happened at the dump:

Am I understanding correctly? Shots were fired before officers/tactical arrived? If so and if these are in fact the suspects and the BCP do not carry guns then the suspects still have ammunition and guns?

 

[MassGuy]

I’ve seen discussion and anger about the dad’s interview where he broke down crying and saying he failed his son. There’s been much disdain about his saying his son wants to go down in a blaze of glory. Did the dad actually say that?? Or was it the person who wrote the article?

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Judging by the book he is plugging, I believe every word.

I think he said it on television as well.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

No, that's not the way it happened.

According to live radio interview I heard (Global News with James Favel, Exec Director of Bear Clan Patrol), there was a problem at the sewage plant and mechanical contractors were on site today performing maintenance.

Clan Patrol were traveling in a vehicle and as they approached the landfill (dump), they could see a couple individuals. Not initially alarmed, they thought it was contractor personnel. However, as they were getting closer to the dump and individuals, they saw no contractor company vehicle at the dump. As soon as the individuals saw the Patrol vehicle, they ran towards the tree line and out of sight of the Patrol.

Patrol did not pursue. They immediately contact 911/RCMP who arrived York Landing in about 20 minutes or less!

MOO / recollection of live radio call.

Yes, I’ve now linked the video in post #578 above.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

He was buying cat litter and cat food when he got the call. I like this guy.

RCMP responded in about 20 minutes.

Seven members will be there to secure the community. One member did hear shots. Focus is an area of a football field.

 

[Kaley Smith]

I very much doubt there’s 2 unknown people who fit their description in the area. Two tall white teens would for sure be noticed out there.

Plus they were wearing the same clothes as on the video from the Co-op.

 

[Seattle1]

James Favel describes sighting

Elsewhere I read that the perps walked the hydro line to York Landing. Not sure if that is considered a winter road though.

Agree -- I don't know if it's passable during summer but it is during the winter months when frozen.

 

[mtnstream]

They are working on the warrants. B.C. RCMP say they’re still working on charging suspects for Fowler, Deese murders

Thank you for the link to that update and video, Neil Boyd's (criminologist) interview was very interesting. Technically, the suspects haven't been charged in the couple's murders yet, but as LE gets their case facts in order, it is just a matter of time. Mr. Boyd also had some great insight into the possibility that the suspects may indeed be armed with weapons.

 

[sprucetip]

Rual dumps in populated areas yes. Here, doubful. Especially up North things are quite hard to obtain, so waste of many things perhaps useful, are probably few and far between.

I’ve been to many rural dumps in the north, they are actually all plentiful.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

Am I understanding correctly? Shots were fired before officers/tactical arrived? If so and if these are in fact the suspects and the BCP do not carry guns then the suspects still have ammunition and guns?

My read of that is that Mr. Favel may be speculating on the issue of shots. I’m not sure he has his facts right on that.

 

[Satchie]

I’ve seen discussion and anger about the dad’s interview where he broke down crying and saying he failed his son. There’s been much disdain about his saying his son wants to go down in a blaze of glory. Did the dad actually say that?? Or was it the person who wrote the article?

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I saw him saying those things on video. The links are in earlier threads. It's evident to me from the footage that he is very upset when he says these things. I don't take the meaning all that seriously, I think he feels a need to express his fear, guilt and pain to all the people passing judgement on him/his son.

 

[Snoop Sister]

I live in BC. I have struggled with mental health issues including addiction for almost 30 years. I was in denial and opposed to help for about 20 years. When I admitted to needing help and actually wanted help and finally accepted help, I tried everything. I paid privately for high end psychologists, psychiatrists, and treatment. None if it worked. None of these people could relate to me or understand what I was going through. They felt cold and uncaring. Book smart but no life experience. Total disconnect. The best help I found was free counselling at my local community services organization and a treatment facility that was covered by government funding. Saved my life. Gave me tools to continue to live happily and productively. I will be five years clean, sober, and healthy this August. There is good help out there but you have to want it and not give up if you don’t find the right fit for you right away.

I assume this will eventually be deleted as it is off topic but in the meantime maybe it will help someone.

Right on congrats for your sobriety. It is really important to find support that works for you. Not every therapist, counsellor, etc will work for everyone. It is really important to shop around until you find one you can relate to. However, in some areas in Canada there are not that many supports to choose from. I wish these guys would have received the support they needed as well. Imo, there were many red flags but it seems the proper support was not provided.

 

[otto]

See the post directly above yours, #578. Nothing momentous turns on the differences.

What I gathered from watching CBC updates is that the local community of York Landing (accessible by ferry from Split Lake) is fairly certain that no locals would be digging through garbage when the bears are feeding, and everyone who might have a reason to be at the dump was not at the dump, so the sighting is most likely accurate.

 

[CharlotteBama]

I live in BC. I have struggled with mental health issues including addiction for almost 30 years. I was in denial and opposed to help for about 20 years. When I admitted to needing help and actually wanted help and finally accepted help, I tried everything. I paid privately for high end psychologists, psychiatrists, and treatment. None if it worked. None of these people could relate to me or understand what I was going through. They felt cold and uncaring. Book smart but no life experience. Total disconnect. The best help I found was free counselling at my local community services organization and a treatment facility that was covered by government funding. Saved my life. Gave me tools to continue to live happily and productively. I will be five years clean, sober, and healthy this August. There is good help out there but you have to want it and not give up if you don’t find the right fit for you right away.

I assume this will eventually be deleted as it is off topic but in the meantime maybe it will help someone.

Good for you!

 

[scrappinkat]

The timeline is not puzzling. They left Port Alberni on July 12, probably late morning or afternoon. They may have stayed in Alberta one night.

They were driving to Yukon via Alaska Highway during the night of July 14, and came across the blue van.

Lucas Fowler's dad is a police chief from Sydney. He thought the murders were much more than a simple robbery attempt gone wrong, so he made an assumption.

RCMP probably shared with him actual evidence, and he has not made any comments saying these two teens couldn't have murdered his son.

They were seen in Dease Lake on July 14th. The drive from Port Alberni to Dease Lake alone is 24hrs. After driving at least 24 hours they then drove another 6 and half hours to commit a random act of violence between 11:30pm and 7:00am of July 15?? Only to go right back to Dease Lake? They were camped near Dease Lake on the 19th. Only one of them drives.

 

[Herat]

Yeah rural dumps can be full of great, useful things, particularly if you’re desperate and on the run. Clothes(jackets, sweaters), shoes or boots, tarps, bags, possible weapons, etc. Not sure about food, but I guess if you’re desperate...

But this serves a very very small town of limited means. I would guess the inhabitants are pretty thrifty and don’t trash things unless they are really useless.

My guess is there isnt much useful there, certainly not a lot of only day-old food from shops & restaurants that cant be used past an expiration date. But likely lots of used disposable diapers, plastic bottles. Not tarps

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Am I understanding correctly? Shots were fired before officers/tactical arrived? If so and if these are in fact the suspects and the BCP do not carry guns then the suspects still have ammunition and guns?

I did not understand it that way. I understood it happened after the arrival of RCMP.

 

[Seattle1]

Yes, I’ve now linked the video in post #578 above.

Thank you -- I listened live!