Deceased/Not Found Canada - Lyle, 78, & Marie McCann, 77, Alberta, 5 July 2010 #2 *T. Vader guilty*

[Summersolstice]

This may be a repeat of info but I stumbled onto this while searching for other missing persons updates:

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/..._dive_100912/20100912?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Date: Sunday Sep. 12, 2010 12:31 PM PT

Dive team called in for McCann search

The dugout?

 

[Summersolstice]

Should the worst outcome occur, I hope investigators are aware of diatoms and their importance in such cases.

 

[RubyRed]

Should the worst outcome occur, I hope investigators are aware of diatoms and their importance in such cases.

I'm sure a forensic pathologist would know.

 

[dotr]

Search for missing couple expands to water

RCMP prepare dive team in hunt for missing seniors

By KRISTY BROWNLEE, QMI Agency



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/09/13/15328916.html


Lyle and Marie McCann have been missing since July 3.

EDMONTON — RCMP confirm a dive team will begin a search of a small body of water in relation to the disappearance of an elderly St. Albert couple.

“The ground search has now been completed and there will be some divers to search a small body of water located on a private property west of Edmonton,” RCMP spokesman Sgt. Tim Taniguchi said Sunday.

 

[nettie_82]

One neighbour, who asked not to be named, said the person whose land is being investigated this weekend used to be friends with Travis Vader – a man who's been named a suspect in the couple's disappearance. But according to the source, it's believed that relationship ended a number of years ago.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/..._dive_100912/20100912?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

I wonder if TV was hoping to frame someone else for this by disposing of evidence or whatever they have found on that property? Just a thought.

 

[IMO47]

The dugout?

The dugout in Alberta is a body of water akin to a pond but it is drinking water for the livestock. We found this out while property searching here in Alberta. It is often spring fed and they can be quite deep enough to swim in. I could not find the definition online so it seems to be a colloquial term.

The aerials in the photo show a dugout. There are no lakes or rivers there in that immediate area some boggy collections of water from the rain but it would not amount to the size of a dugout.

 

[Wondergirl]

WTH? The FIRST time???



For the first time in the ten weeks since Lyle and Marie McCann went missing, dive teams are being used in the investigation.

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/..._dive_100912/20100912?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

 

[IMO47]

Dugout definition etc

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/eng4696

 

[Wondergirl]

The RCMP have already finished a ground search at the rural property for clues to the disappearance of the couple.

They will not say what led them to search the property — which includes the pond and a scrapyard — near Nojack, a town about 140 kilometres west of Edmonton.

"It's just that our investigation is continuing. This search is just one of the many locations that we have searched through our investigation, and we remain hopeful to locate the McCanns," said RCMP Sgt. Tim Taniguchi.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/09/13/mccann-search-pond-diver.html#ixzz0zQWxqBUW

 

[Wondergirl]

This is a good example of why it is prudent to read more than one news report on the "same" information:

On Tuesday, police will have a special unit look underwater in two small ponds at a property between Edmonton and Jasper.

Searchers described the property as a 65-hectare “scrapyard,” littered with 20 to 30 rusting cars and pickups, an old bus and several abandoned sheds.

The search, according to a McCann family member, is part of a police bid to comb through multiple private properties in relation to the disappearance of the elderly couple. The RCMP have told the family that they are working to secure several similar search warrants.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rd-for-missing-alberta-couple/article1704829/

 

[Wondergirl]

Also, I just wanted to say, that I wondered if it was enough for TV to have known the property owner a few years ago, in order to get a warrant for the current search property?

Perhaps there was evidence that TV had been staying there, with or without the knowledge of his old friend (purportedly).

 

[Wondergirl]

I am curious to know how long it had been since TV contacted his sister, if he had been on the lam that long? I mean, if he is innocent of something with respect to the McCann's disappearance, and he hasn't talked/seen his sister in a long time, I find it a large coincidence that he showed up at her house the day after the McCann's disappeared.



The sister of a man RCMP have questioned about the disappearance of an Alberta couple says he showed up at her Edmonton home “tired and sick” the day after Lyle and Marie McCann vanished.

Bobbi-Jo Vader, who came to court Tuesday to see her brother face three charges unrelated to the disappearance, said the family had fallen out of touch with Travis.

But on July 4, she said, he drove up to the home she shares with her foster mother, Esther Rose McKay-Crosswell, looking for sanctuary.

“He was tired and he was sick and he needed to rest,” the sister said. “Travis has been running from the police for a while.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...lberta-couple-vanished-sister/article1653502/

 

[~PrinceSSa~]

I have a bad bad bad gutfeeling about that pond and what's in it.
I remained hopeful for the McCanns but gosh so much time has passed and really, what are the chances of finding this lovely couple alive?

And why did it take this long for the RCMP to check EVERYWHERE in and around the campsite, the location where the car was discovered and ALL locations associated with TV???

I pray for closure and may justice be swift!

 

[Summersolstice]

Scrapyard? Anyone thinking what I'm thinking?

And one more thing: is a plea deal in the works? Why else would TV suddenly cough up info, if that is what happened?

And another: BJV is actually BJV-Sztupovszky. I've seen that surname somewhere in connection to Summerland.

And thanks, IMO47. Seems like that dugout would have a pretty distinctive phytoplankton, being self-contained and sourced mainly from rainwater.

 

[memories]

Excerpts from below story:

The search, according to a McCann family member, is part of a police bid to comb through "multiple private properties" in relation to the disappearance of the elderly couple. The RCMP have told the family that they are working to secure several similar search warrants.

If there is something significant, meaning that it’s a break in the case, we would hold a press conference or send out at least a news release,” Sgt. Taniguchi said. “In this case, we haven’t even sent out a news release on the search. That should give you an idea of where this is.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rd-for-missing-alberta-couple/article1704829/

 

[RubyRed]

TV isn't going to give up where he put the McCann's. There is absolutely no leverage for LE and no deterrent for the criminal. If this were my parents a mandatory life sentence without possibility of parole for 25 years for first-degree murders wouldn't be good enough.

And then consider this:

Persons convicted of first degree murder are not eligible for full parole for 25 years, however, after serving 15 years offenders may apply to have the eligibility date reduced under Section 745 of the Criminal Code


And this a man found guilty for a first degree double homicide:

under Canadian law, his sentence is not doubled, and he will only be serving one life sentence.

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/policeandCourt/2009/dec/carroll-181209.aspx

 

[IMO47]

I called the listing agent for Al Campbell's property that has been named as the current searching place for the LE diving team. I was told it is two 40 acre parcels surrounded by crown land with a trout pond on it. I asked if this was a dug out and was answered yes. It is also abutting crown land.

I am looking for land and the agent did not reveal it was the land belonging to Campbell until I came out and asked. It has been listed for 2-3 weeks. I have access to the listing but it is not on the MLS yet so I do not feel comfortable posting it. Yes there is a lot of metal scrap on it that will be removed by the owner.

I find it creepy to even consider purchasing it but the realtor was rather nonchalant and knows nothing else.

 

[RubyRed]

A real estate listing is a public record. If we can't back information up with a link then we do not post about it. Just giving you the info because I see you are new here.

 

[Hazel]

Map showing new search area ( C ) in relation to where the RV was found ( H ) and where SUV was found ( G )

MAP = http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=MacKay,+Alberta+(TV+apprehended)&daddr=Unknown+road+to:Unknown+road+to:Trans-Canada+Hwy%2FYellowhead+Hwy+W%2FAB-16+W+to:Carrot+Creek,+Alberta+(just+a+reference)+toeers,+Alberta+(unconfirmed+sightings+of+TV)+to:Range+Road+144,+Yellowhead+County,+Division+No.+14,+Alberta+T0E+0G0+to:Minnow+Lake,+Alberta+(RV+found+burned)&geocode=FciIMgMdrVUc-SnPxX_rGu2eUzH2BECUr-BKsQ%3BFU8FMgMdkwQc-Q%3BFVHDMQMd-7ob-Q%3BFfQhMgMd-noZ-Q%3BFVAGMgMd1iwY-SmfT1Qh55CeUzFGHyNytI0utA%3BFRnnMgMd2yoW-SlFW_lrIJieUzHCZSGbtH8H2g%3BFeNqMQMdELwV-SldDvmTkZueUzHE0lEOZW6pVA%3BFZkxLgMdaWwV-Snr8VB99yqcUzEO34xziw7-Bw&hl=en&mra=dme&mrcr=1,2&mrsp=2&sz=13&sll=53.598923,-115.702686&sspn=0.059797,0.181789&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=53.59495,-115.62561&spn=0.500432,1.454315&z=10


( A ) MacKay, Alberta ---> (where TV was apprehended)

( B ) Nojack campground ---> (searched by LE)

( C ) New Searches ---> (dugout)

( D) Niton Junction, Alberta ---> (where TV grew up)

( E ) Carrot Creek, Alberta ---> (just a reference)

( F ) Peers, Alberta ---> (unconfirmed sightings of TV)

( G ) Range Road 144, Alberta ---> (where SUV was found hidden under trees)

( H ) Minnow Lake, Alberta ---> (where RV found burned)

 

[IMO47]

A real estate listing is a public record. If we can't back information up with a link then we do not post about it. Just giving you the info because I see you are new here.

I went back and here is the MLS#21891 But as I said I did not find it on MLS.ca sometimes it takes longer before it gets on there.


http://app2.interfacexpress.com/pcs/wcalberta/ViewDetail

Thanks for the info I can see there are a few newbies out there including myself