Deceased/Not Found Canada - Lyle, 78, & Marie McCann, 77, Alberta, 5 July 2010 #2 *T. Vader guilty*

[Hazel]

Here is Edson, AB to Chip Lake, AB. Apx. 70 KM's. Right on Highway #16.

Hopefully Hazel can add this to the working map of key locations?

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Edson,+Alberta+T7E+1L9+(Edson+Airport)&daddr=Chip+Lake,+AB+T0E&hl=en&geocode=FXyMMQMdX-MO-SGGR3nLL1C71A%3BFRciMgMdpL4e-Sl1oZtv9PGeUzFPpjpBHs552g&gl=ca&mra=pd&mrcr=0&sll=52.164241,-115.454423&sspn=13.220453,36.474609&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=9

*** UPDATED MAP *** ---> http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=MacKay,+Alberta+(TV+apprehended)&daddr=Unknown+road+to:Unknown+road+to:Trans-Canada+Hwy%2FYellowhead+Hwy+W%2FAB-16+W+to:Carrot+Creek,+Alberta+(just+a+reference)+toeers,+Alberta+(unconfirmed+sightings+of+TV)+to:Range+Road+144,+Yellowhead+County,+Division+No.+14,+Alberta+T0E+0G0+to:Minnow+Lake,+Alberta+(RV+found+burned)+to:Chip+Lake,+AB+T0E&hl=en&geocode=FciIMgMdrVUc-SnPxX_rGu2eUzH2BECUr-BKsQ%3BFU8FMgMdkwQc-Q%3BFVHDMQMd-7ob-Q%3BFfQhMgMd-noZ-Q%3BFVAGMgMd1iwY-SmfT1Qh55CeUzFGHyNytI0utA%3BFRnnMgMd2yoW-SlFW_lrIJieUzHCZSGbtH8H2g%3BFeNqMQMdELwV-SldDvmTkZueUzHE0lEOZW6pVA%3BFZkxLgMdaWwV-Snr8VB99yqcUzEO34xziw7-Bw%3BFRciMgMdpL4e-Sl1oZtv9PGeUzFPpjpBHs552g&mra=ls&sll=53.59495,-115.62561&sspn=0.478422,1.454315&ie=UTF8&ll=53.515001,-115.74646&spn=0.479326,1.454315&t=h&z=10

( A ) MacKay, Alberta ---> (where TV was apprehended)

( B ) Nojack campground ---> (searched by LE)

( C ) New Searches ---> (dugout)

( D) Niton Junction, Alberta ---> (where TV grew up)

( E ) Carrot Creek, Alberta ---> (just a reference)

( F ) Peers, Alberta ---> (unconfirmed sightings of TV)

( G ) Range Road 144, Alberta ---> (where SUV was found hidden under trees)

( H ) Minnow Lake, Alberta ---> (where RV found burned)

( I ) CHIP Lake Campground, Alberta ---> (where RV was seen by fisherman on Sunday, July 4th)

 

[Hazel]

If this is the trailer and this was in early July, there was no mention made of the car, it would have been mentioned if it was attached to the back.

What I'm thinking is that it WAS attached in the campsite they went to just before it was burned???

It would explain though where it had been in the earlier days.

Does anyone know if there's a park attendant at this site?

Also maybe someone can do us a map showing where Chip Lake is in comparison to the other areas of interest.

memories, map is updated, and I wrote Sunday, July 4th, according to what the fisherman says in the video clip.
Very good question regarding the SUV memories!

 

[Hazel]

Found this "Lyle and Marie McCann"video.

Well done though it is not up-to-date.


Click on Image, if it doesn't work immediately, Refresh the page​

http://www.youtube.com/user/nancydrew511

 

[Zort]

Chip Lake Park

Group area * Security Patrol

Contact Information

Chip Lake Park
Box 471
T0E 2M0
Wildwood
Phone: 780-325-2460

Open: May1-Oct.31

Directions
9 km N & 10.5 km W of Wildwood

http://www1.travelalberta.com/en-ca/index.cfm?pageid=3&Search=Details&ID=35901

It appears that the campground is on the North East side of the lake in a fairly remote area. One road in and out. If I knew how to map it for you I would.

 

[Zort]

If this is the trailer and this was in early July, there was no mention made of the car, it would have been mentioned if it was attached to the back.

What I'm thinking is that it WAS attached in the campsite they went to just before it was burned???

It would explain though where it had been in the earlier days.

Does anyone know if there's a park attendant at this site?

Also maybe someone can do us a map showing where Chip Lake is in comparison to the other areas of interest.

If the SUV was not attached, and the fisherman saw two people in the motorhome then its possible someone else was driving the SUV perhaps TV and so three perps involved.

 

[Zort]

I think this is link.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&sour...714,-115.059814&spn=0.720148,2.458191&t=h&z=9

 

[Summersolstice]

I sure hope that they have checked the sisters phone records.

I'm sure they're checking quite a number of people's phone records, including the McCanns. Where were the last pings detected? Would a perp use a victim's cellphone?

I'm sure they've also done some fancy footwork with social networking sites, too. That must be taking quite a bit of time, actually.

 

[Hazel]

Chip Lake Park

Group area * Security Patrol

Contact Information

http://www1.travelalberta.com/en-ca/index.cfm?pageid=3&Search=Details&ID=35901

It appears that the campground is on the North East side of the lake in a fairly remote area. One road in and out. If I knew how to map it for you I would.

RSBM for space

I believe you might be right about the location. Found this other site which pinpoints where the Campground is located (link HERE scroll all the way down) (Chip Lake Park); however, we don't know for sure if that is exactly where the event witnessed by the fisherman took place. I will change that location into my map.

Here is a map of the lake ... though it appears the map is upside down (note the arrow for North is pointing south) ... also just by comparing the shape of the lake we can tell the map is upside down

Chip Lake Park: http://www.campscout.com/campground/AB0266/

 

[Hazel]

*** UPDATED MAP *** to show location of the Campground on Chip Lake ---> http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=MacKay,+Alberta+(TV+apprehended)&daddr=Unknown+road+to:Unknown+road+to:Niton+Junction+to:Carrot+Creek,+Alberta+(just+a+reference)+toeers,+Alberta+(unconfirmed+sightings+of+TV)+to:Range+Road+144,+Yellowhead+County,+Division+No.+14,+Alberta+T0E+0G0+to:Minnow+Lake,+Alberta+(RV+found+burned)+to:Range+Road+101A,+Yellowhead+County,+Division+No.+14,+Alberta+T0E+2M0&geocode=FciIMgMdrVUc-SnPxX_rGu2eUzH2BECUr-BKsQ%3BFU8FMgMdkwQc-Q%3BFVHDMQMd-7ob-Q%3BFaAiMgMdOX8Z-Sl5qGtF1pOeUzFqvrp17mBmsA%3BFVAGMgMd1iwY-SmfT1Qh55CeUzFGHyNytI0utA%3BFRnnMgMd2yoW-SlFW_lrIJieUzHCZSGbtH8H2g%3BFeNqMQMdELwV-SldDvmTkZueUzHE0lEOZW6pVA%3BFZkxLgMdaWwV-Snr8VB99yqcUzEO34xziw7-Bw%3BFeEWMwMdWMUf-SmDI5duXuWeUzFjLwFbtwo5Pg&hl=en&mra=pd&mrcr=7&dirflg=ht&sll=53.560705,-115.688782&sspn=0.478809,1.454315&ie=UTF8&ll=53.524799,-115.647583&spn=0.479216,1.454315&t=h&z=10

( A ) MacKay, Alberta ---> (where TV was apprehended)

( B ) Nojack campground ---> (searched by LE)

( C ) New Searches ---> (dugout)

( D) Niton Junction, Alberta ---> (where TV grew up)

( E ) Carrot Creek, Alberta ---> (just a reference)

( F ) Peers, Alberta ---> (unconfirmed sightings of TV)

( G ) Range Road 144, Alberta ---> (where SUV was found hidden under trees)

( H ) Minnow Lake, Alberta ---> (where RV found burned)

( I ) CHIP Lake Park, Alberta ---> (where RV was seen by fisherman on Sunday, July 4th)

Note: ( I ) shows where Chip Lake Park (Campground) is located; exact location where the fisherman witnessed the RV backing onto tress, yet to be confirmed.

 

[nettie_82]

I wonder if the two in the RV were on a mission to dump the bodies in chip lake when they drove into Chip Lake Park and had to turn around and leave since there were other people around. If that is the case, I wonder if they just went to another location around Chip Lake to dump the bodies?! I certainly hope LE is thoroughly checking Chip Lake and surrounding area.

 

[Hazel]

I wonder if the two in the RV were on a mission to dump the bodies in chip lake when they drove into Chip Lake Park and had to turn around and leave since there were other people around. If that is the case, I wonder if they just went to another location around Chip Lake to dump the bodies?! I certainly hope LE is thoroughly checking Chip Lake and surrounding area.

ITA nettie, and that sure would be a huge task for LE, judging by the size and shape of the lake. I am also wondering if LE found any DNA evidence of the McCanns bodies' in the SUV (backseat or trunk), since IMO it would have been easier for the perps. to move around the lake (or any location for that matter) in the SUV rather than the RV, JMO.

Found this link with Panoramio photos of the lake (you can zoom in and out, move around and click on the pictures)

http://www.panoramio.com/map/#lt=53.655219&ln=-115.371552&z=5&k=1&a=1&tab=1

 

[Sillybilly]

Did we ever know if the McCanns' SUV was 4WD or not?

 

[Zort]

http://picolio.auto123.com/art-images/50878/2006_Hyundai_Tucson_07.jpg/scale-484x363This is a stock photo of 2006 SUV AWD. I looked at a movie clip of the rear end of the McCann Suv and didnt see this logo. I dont know how to copy a still frame otherwise I would have posted it for all to compare. So I would have to say it was not an AWD.

 

[memories]

Does anyone know how far it is from St. Albert to the Chip Lake Campsite or the turnoff to go there?

We also don't know when the motorhome arrived at the lake and left, do we? (if it did) and where the car was during this time?

It's starting to shape up into a bit of a trail, I think, going eastward all the way, till the motor home and car were found.
Then it appears Vader heads back to his homegrounds area.

Just thoughts floating in my mind...

 

[Hazel]

Does anyone know how far it is from St. Albert to the Chip Lake Campsite or the turnoff to go there?

We also don't know when the motorhome arrived at the lake and left, do we? (if it did) and where the car was during this time?

It's starting to shape up into a bit of a trail, I think, going eastward all the way, till the motor home and car were found.
Then it appears Vader heads back to his homegrounds area.

Just thoughts floating in my mind...

I got 1 hour and 50 minutes (136 Km) from the Gas Station in St. Albert to the Chip Lake Park (Campground) Perhaps someone from the area could confirm this.

MAP here: http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=15611+St+Albert+Trail,+St+Albert,+AB+T6V+1K1&daddr=Range+Road+101A,+Yellowhead+County,+Division+No.+14,+Alberta+T0E+2M0&geocode=FZodMgMdbps6-Sm1Z5tGKSSgUzE2HMfdyQnKLw%3BFeEWMwMdWMUf-SmDI5duXuWeUzFjLwFbtwo5Pg&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=53.62784,-114.492135&sspn=0.956084,2.90863&ie=UTF8&ll=53.628353,-114.458313&spn=0.956084,2.90863&t=h&z=9

ITA that there seems to be a pattern of going east, and also that whatever happened, happened really early on in their trip, as many of us had been thinking from the beginning.
It appears that on their way back, the perps first burned the RV, then dump the SUV and went home (wherever that is). Where are the McCanns?

 

[memories]

Thx Hazel,

I meant "It's starting to shape up into a bit of a trail, I think, going eastward all the way, till the motor home and car were disposed of."

I would love to know where the SUV was while they were at Chip Lake, was there a 3rd person, was it used to dispose of the McCanns, perhaps during the night of the 3rd.

I also doubt that they hitched back after disposing of the SUV, too much of a chance of being id'd.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Summersolstice]

I wonder if the two in the RV were on a mission to dump the bodies in chip lake when they drove into Chip Lake Park and had to turn around and leave since there were other people around. If that is the case, I wonder if they just went to another location around Chip Lake to dump the bodies?! I certainly hope LE is thoroughly checking Chip Lake and surrounding area.

Hunting season is here, and there are professional trackers at Chip Lake. Hopefully everyone will keep their eyes open.

From the sound of it, searching the lake would be quite a job, with 18' water depth in places and a lot of area to cover:

chip lake west of edmonton - Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum

 

[Sillybilly]

Hunting season is here, and there are professional trackers at Chip Lake. Hopefully everyone will keep their eyes open.

From the sound of it, searching the lake would be quite a job, with 18' water depth in places and a lot of area to cover:

chip lake west of edmonton - Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum

Decomp gases rise to the surface, and depending on surface and wind conditions, a good water cadaver dog can pick the scent up a few hundred feet distant. I hope they bring some highly trained canine teams in to conduct a shoreline search in accessible areas in the vicinity of where witnesses saw the RV.

 

[dotr]

Not sure where I should put this news, but could be relevant..
OTTAWA - An elderly couple has disappeared, causing their families to fear the worst.

Jim Dunne, 86, and Lily Blondin, 92, both have health problems and would not have just taken off without telling their family, daughter-in-law Peggy Dunne said.

"They don't go anywhere," she said. "They are quite often restricted to their home."

Dunne and Blondin left their Gracefield, Que., home for a doctors appointment in Ottawa Wednesday at about 2 p.m.

Before the appointment, Dunne went to his bank and Shoppers Drug Mart.

He then went to his doctors but was told the appointment wasn't until Monday.


After that it's a mystery where they may have gone.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/10/02/15556631.html

 

[dotr]

Could Richard Rupert be changing his MO now that he is on AMW?

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=74694