Deceased/Not Found Canada - Lyle, 78, & Marie McCann, 77, Alberta, 5 July 2010 #2 *T. Vader guilty*

[Valleyboy]

Not sure where I should put this news, but could be relevant..
OTTAWA - An elderly couple has disappeared, causing their families to fear the worst.

Jim Dunne, 86, and Lily Blondin, 92, both have health problems and would not have just taken off without telling their family, daughter-in-law Peggy Dunne said.

"They don't go anywhere," she said. "They are quite often restricted to their home."

Dunne and Blondin left their Gracefield, Que., home for a doctors appointment in Ottawa Wednesday at about 2 p.m.

Before the appointment, Dunne went to his bank and Shoppers Drug Mart.

He then went to his doctors but was told the appointment wasn't until Monday.


After that it's a mystery where they may have gone.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/10/02/15556631.html

There is already a thread on page 1 here about this couple.

CANADA Canada - Ontario, Jim Dunne (86) + Lily Blondin (92), Ottawa, 29.09.2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Sillybilly]

Could Richard Rupert be changing his MO now that he is on AMW?

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=74694

The AMW link to "The Full Story" has changed to another article now dotr. There's a Canada Wide Warrant out on Rupert for targeting seniors in frauds and robberies. Here are a couple of other articles on him:

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20100922/richard-rupert-fraud-americas-most-wanted-100922/

http://www.burnabynow.com/life/Police+looking+artist/3612666/story.html

He's been targeting the eldery from Ontario (St. Catherines and Toronto), Manitoba (Winnipeg in June), and BC (West Van in August and Burnaby on Sept 7)

IMO, TV is probably the perp in the McCanns' disappearance, but doesn't hurt to consider this dude in any cases related to the elderly.

 

[Wondergirl]

memories, map is updated, and I wrote Sunday, July 4th, according to what the fisherman says in the video clip.
Very good question regarding the SUV memories!

Thanks Hazel!

 

[Zort]

BBM: Oh, dear. Someone here at WS had worried way back when, that they did not search Minnow Lake or the campground enough. Now LE is back there.

I wonder if LE has some sort of forensic evidence from the SUV indicating access to water? I doubt the McCann's themselves would have been near any lakes etc. The mud caked on the SUV may have indicated something.

If you are right wonder girl then the forensic water evidence may well be that from Chip Lake.

 

[Summersolstice]

Decomp gases rise to the surface, and depending on surface and wind conditions, a good water cadaver dog can pick the scent up a few hundred feet distant. I hope they bring some highly trained canine teams in to conduct a shoreline search in accessible areas in the vicinity of where witnesses saw the RV.

I understand that trained volunteers and their dogs do some of the search and rescue work in Alberta, in conjunction with LE. This includes cadaver dogs. I also understand that volunteers and their dogs are trained at an RCMP facility near Bowden, Alberta.

http://www.sardaa.ca/understand.htm

Here's my question for anyone who knows: have dogs been used in the search for the McCanns, and were they police or volunteer-owned? If dogs were used, where did the searches occur?

 

[Zort]

Thx Hazel,

I meant "It's starting to shape up into a bit of a trail, I think, going eastward all the way, till the motor home and car were disposed of."

I would love to know where the SUV was while they were at Chip Lake, was there a 3rd person, was it used to dispose of the McCanns, perhaps during the night of the 3rd.

I also doubt that they hitched back after disposing of the SUV, too much of a chance of being id'd.

Just my thoughts.

I believe the trail begins at No Jack campground during the day and possibly the night of the 3rd. Hence LE search. Then the motor home is moved to the Chip Lake campground on the 4th. Possibly there for the night. Then onto the Minnow lake campground on the 5th and burned. What I don't get is why the perps keep the motor home for the three days. Why not abandon/burn it sooner.

 

[Wondergirl]

May Millings is an elderly lady who left Jasper to head home to BC, and hasn't been seen since. Someone posted this story of a trucker who was beaten, and left for dead on the Yellowhead Highway 34 KM's from Blue River, AB on May's WS Thread.

At least 2 men posed in a car on the side of the highway, and pretended to be broke down, to lure him in.

I couldn't help but think of the McCann's.

*Warning: There is a fairly graphic picture of the 67 year old trucker's facial injuries at link.

http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/.../309289986/good-samaritan-attacked-on-highway

 

[Zort]

This is quite disturbing as it is the same route the McCanns and May would/did take traveling to Vernon or Kelowna. I tell you when coincidences begin to stack up one begins to wonder if in fact they are indeed coincidences at all.

 

[Wondergirl]

This is quite disturbing as it is the same route the McCanns and May would/did take traveling to Vernon or Kelowna. I tell you when coincidences begin to stack up one begins to wonder if in fact they are indeed coincidences at all.

That's the thing - I hate coincidences. I leave an open mind when trying to correlate between cases, and the geography, age and circumstance of the 3 events you mention, make it impossible to ignore.

All 3 are rare events possible occurred on the same stretch of remote highway.

Makes me wonder.

 

[memories]

Murray McCann is looking for his aunt and uncle. Jack McCann is looking for his brother and his sister-in-law. What they both really want is an end to a terrible summer.

They are searching for answers and for an end to a family tragedy.

For the past three weekends the pair, along with other family and friends, has scoured the forests around Nojack, MacKay and Minnow Lake, all in the hopes of finding Lyle and Marie McCann, the St. Albert couple that has now been missing for four months.

While a suspect has been identified and the couple’s motorhome and SUV have both been located, they are still missing and the family fears the worst.

http://www.stalbertgazette.com/article/20101006/SAG0801/310069965/mccann-family-refuses-to-rest

There is a lot more posted to read at site.

 

[memories]

Sorry, it was my 1st time trying to include a picture, and I guess it didn't take...

 

[flipflop]

Its pretty scary with all these elderly people gone missing in western Canada. I read this article about an american fugitive found in Manitoba. It just makes me wonder, how long has he been in Canada, what path has he taken.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/s...oba.html?ref=rss&loomia_si=t0:a16:g4:r1:c0:b0

from this next article, he has been on the run since 2007
http://www.brandonsun.com/breaking-...ry-using-------fake-name-103848663.html?thx=y

 

[star traveller]

My WebSleuthing has led me to conclude that this is the actual location of the SUV find.

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UT...261,-116.017106&spn=0.009706,0.01929&t=h&z=16

I've compared media photos and video with Google Maps (topo and satelite) to come to this conclusion. I've driven highway 16 more times than I care to remember and this may have helped somehow.

 

[DEEA]

When I was growing up, and learning the art of waiting, my Mother always said, "No news is good news." How I hated those old sayings, then. Most have them have come to some kind of a resolve as I have aged, and most hold a great degree of meaning, but No news is good news.... does not hold water.... It is still as irritating today as it was back then,..... Surely someone, as well as the fisherman, has had to have seen the RV and or the SUV, when it was being driven around by the pair of hoolagans. It's like the fisherman said, it just wasn't normal like. You know if it isn't about the money and you do know something and you just don't want it to be known it is you. Then just walk on over, pick up the telephone, and dial *67, that again is * 6 7 , and then wait and you will hear a dial tone again, now dial 1 - 8 0 0 - 2 2 2 - 8 4 7 7 .... your name nor your number will come up. Now crimestoppers says they don't subscribe to call display, but just incase you are sceptical, or suspicious.

 

[Summersolstice]

That's the thing - I hate coincidences. I leave an open mind when trying to correlate between cases, and the geography, age and circumstance of the 3 events you mention, make it impossible to ignore.

All 3 are rare events possible occurred on the same stretch of remote highway.

Makes me wonder.

I'm sure the mention of a checkered safety vest worn by one of the two men seen by the witness in the RV at Chip Lake is just another coincidence! Roadside ruse, methinks.

 

[Summersolstice]

Its pretty scary with all these elderly people gone missing in western Canada. I read this article about an american fugitive found in Manitoba. It just makes me wonder, how long has he been in Canada, what path has he taken.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/manitoba/s...oba.html?ref=rss&loomia_si=t0:a16:g4:r1:c0:b0

from this next article, he has been on the run since 2007
http://www.brandonsun.com/breaking-...ry-using-------fake-name-103848663.html?thx=y

Closer to northern Alberta:

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/story.html?id=3c35f492-f926-46c4-9d2b-043d4f82d713

Grifters manage to hide out in plain sight all over the country.

 

[DEEA]

Where is Chip Lake Park, located on Chip Lake? I understood from one media clip that the spot where the fisherman was fishing and where he saw the RV pull in, was about 10 km off of Hwy 16 and it was called Chip Lake Park. Does someone here, know where it is?

 

[star traveller]

Where is Chip Lake Park, located on Chip Lake? I understood from one media clip that the spot where the fisherman was fishing and where he saw the RV pull in, was about 10 km off of Hwy 16 and it was called Chip Lake Park. Does someone here, know where it is?

Try this link: http://www.yellowheadcounty.ab.ca/de...dep_007a5.html

The location is described:
North off Hwy 16 on Green Court Road (Range Road 92) to TwnShp Road 544 and then 5 miles west.

A quick look around the lake from satellite photo can determine that that description is the only campground on the lake. As seen here: http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UT...67,-115.355759&spn=0.310193,0.617294&t=h&z=11

This location has already been posted in this thread by another member.

 

[Sillybilly]

Where is Chip Lake Park, located on Chip Lake? I understood from one media clip that the spot where the fisherman was fishing and where he saw the RV pull in, was about 10 km off of Hwy 16 and it was called Chip Lake Park. Does someone here, know where it is?

This link shows Chip Lake Park on the northeast side of Chip Lake, "9 km north and 10.5 km west of Wentwood". (I suspect they mean Wildwood, not "Wentwood").

http://www.campscout.com/campground/AB0266/

 

[DEEA]

I wonder if the two in the RV were on a mission to dump the bodies in chip lake when they drove into Chip Lake Park and had to turn around and leave since there were other people around. If that is the case, I wonder if they just went to another location around Chip Lake to dump the bodies?! I certainly hope LE is thoroughly checking Chip Lake and surrounding area.

The fisherman said, "FISHERMAN: Well it was really odd, if you backed into some trees, you’d get out and take a look to see how much damage you did. And they didn’t, one guy got out , he had a checkered vest on, a safety vest, the other guy was a big guy, drivin’, and he got back in and never saw him after and we were here about an hour after.
Now I would imagine the police have tried to find this man, the fisherman and ask more questions about the time etc... , but it sounds like he is saying he and the girl he was with, left about an hour after they last saw this the one man get out, and go back into the RV. It's all very odd, but then the whole case is. I hope and pray for a resolution to this.