CANADA Canada - Margaret McWilliam, 21, Toronto, 27 Aug 1987 'Cinderella Murder'

[SaintGertrude]

Serial murderers do have physical limitations over time with age. Although David Fuller was fit in his prime from bicycling and resistance training (published photos of both), he aged out at some point and turned to less strenuous, but still egregious, offences.

Sonia's killer, even if young, may have underestimated his own strength. The wooded location where he dumped her body was adequate enough. He had time to get away and tidy himself up. He has gotten away with murder so far. An out-of-practice serial murderer might make stupid mistakes.

I don't think that Sonia's killer left boot prints intentionally to taunt with a clue. This was very messy. But despite the supposed DNA on file with the police, no worries for him. He is Mr. Invisible.

Remember when I asked if Sonia had a bicycle in her garage, and if her killer had stolen it to get away?

Still thinking that when police tell the public a murderer may have left the country, they should be prepared to compare DNA with someone like Fuller. If it's worth the time and money for UK investigators to come over here, it's worth the time and money for Canadian police to compare his DNA and border control records of visits to our country.

I would like to know why police initially came to Canada when they were investigating the bed sit murders. Did they perhaps think a Canadian person had committed the crimes. This article was writen long before Fuller was even into the equation.
Who was the Tunbridge Wells Bedsit Killer?
Quote: Detectives have visited many persons of interest in the inquiry and to date have eliminated over 500 persons through DNA samples, and swabbed over 1000, visiting countries as far afield as Australia and Canada on the basis of information received. This elimination process continues as detectives still receive names and information from the public after every appeal. There are several high profile killers already serving life in UK prisons that, due to their MO and choice of victim when killing, it is the opinion of TTCE that they would undoubtedly be persons of interest to the inquiry. However, it is quite likely that because these killers DNA would be on the database already, they have been ruled out.

 

[jackal67]

Serial murderers do have physical limitations over time with age. Although David Fuller was fit in his prime from bicycling and resistance training (published photos of both), he aged out at some point and turned to less strenuous, but still egregious, offences.

Sonia's killer, even if young, may have underestimated his own strength. The wooded location where he dumped her body was adequate enough. He had time to get away and tidy himself up. He has gotten away with murder so far. An out-of-practice serial murderer might make stupid mistakes.

I don't think that Sonia's killer left boot prints intentionally to taunt with a clue. This was very messy. But despite the supposed DNA on file with the police, no worries for him. He is Mr. Invisible.

Remember when I asked if Sonia had a bicycle in her garage, and if her killer had stolen it to get away?

Still thinking that when police tell the public a murderer may have left the country, they should be prepared to compare DNA with someone like Fuller. If it's worth the time and money for UK investigators to come over here, it's worth the time and money for Canadian police to compare his DNA and border control records of visits to our country.

Do we know for certain that UK LE visited Canada in connection with Fullers murders? If so when did they visit and where in Canada? Thanks

 

[Gina20]

Is a noted criminologist named Mike Arntfield (Possibly Michael Andrew Arntfield on Wikipedia) still also involved with this case.
Another sleuth told me that he’s a former police officer and is now a professor. He is regularly called as an expert and notably has a cold-case team which includes students.

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December 27, 2016 ·
Margaret McWilliam

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Some people feel that the following person was involved in the murder of Margaret McWilliam:

James Marr was convicted in 1994 of the May 16, 1992 murder of Martha Watson McKinnon. Her body had been found behind an apartment against a fence. She had been beaten, strangled and sexually assaulted.

I think this is the man investigated by Michael Arntfield and his group? Nothing further seems to have developed from their report.

 

[Gina20]

Do we know for certain that UK LE visited Canada in connection with Fullers murders? If so when did they visit and where in Canada? Thanks

It was stated in British media that British police travelled to Canada and Australia to investigate David Fuller. No dates or specific locations were provided. We can trust the media, or confirmation by the officials themselves via the media, or not. It is what it is.

 

[Gina20]

David Fuller was called a "contractor" in one of the articles. Was he hired and employed by a maintenance company to work in hospitals? What is the name of that company?

 

[Gina20]

I would like to know why police initially came to Canada when they were investigating the bed sit murders. Did they perhaps think a Canadian person had committed the crimes. This article was writen long before Fuller was even into the equation.
Who was the Tunbridge Wells Bedsit Killer?
Quote: Detectives have visited many persons of interest in the inquiry and to date have eliminated over 500 persons through DNA samples, and swabbed over 1000, visiting countries as far afield as Australia and Canada on the basis of information received. This elimination process continues as detectives still receive names and information from the public after every appeal. There are several high profile killers already serving life in UK prisons that, due to their MO and choice of victim when killing, it is the opinion of TTCE that they would undoubtedly be persons of interest to the inquiry. However, it is quite likely that because these killers DNA would be on the database already, they have been ruled out.

If David Fuller was in fact an employee of a company contracted for hospital maintenance, and not a direct employee of a hospital at the time of his crimes, we might have our answer.

As an employee of an international facilities contractor, he could have been sent for temporary assignments wherever that contractor had its operations, all over the world, under the umbrella of one employer. This could be a real can of worms for investigators.

Even facilities like the seniors' residence where Margaret McWilliam worked have these sorts of arrangements.

 

[Lord Peter Flimsy]

Do you have the name of the lady who went missing in the woods in 1997? Not heard of that despite being local.

Margaret Costen went missing on the 23 Feb 1997. Coincidentally another teacher Australian Marion Barter went missing in Tunbridge Wells later that year. Very unlikely to be connected though.

 

[SaintGertrude]

If David Fuller was in fact an employee of a company contracted for hospital maintenance, and not a direct employee of a hospital at the time of his crimes, we might have our answer.

As an employee of an international facilities contractor, he could have been sent for temporary assignments wherever that contractor had its operations, all over the world, under the umbrella of one employer. This could be a real can of worms for investigators.

Even facilities like the seniors' residence where Margaret McWilliam worked have these sorts of arrangements.

https://www.mtw.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/nhs-report.pdf

This was who they had as bidders at Pembury hospital although this is a different hospital I think. I am not sure how they are linked to the one in Tunbridge Wells.
Quote: We chose two international bidders during the year – Carillion and Equion – to draw up detailed designs for the hospital with 100 percent single rooms for patients. Although the Government has now changed the way final bidders are selected, our hospital is still on course to open in 2010

 

[SaintGertrude]

Here we go is this any interest for you Gina20
http://www.townforum.org.uk/consultation/YourHealthServiceNewsletterOCT05.pdf
Two world-class developers are drawing up detailed designs for Kent’s new flagship PFI hospital at Pembury. Carillion and Equion have been asked by Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust to have detailed designs for the state of the art hospital and mental health unit ready by February next year. The Trust received more than 70 enquiries of interest in the development with Carillion and Equion emerging as its top two preferred developers. Both companies will continue to work closely with the Trust over the coming months, developing their plans around its requirements for state of the art facilities and services

 

[Gina20]

Here we go is this any interest for you Gina20
http://www.townforum.org.uk/consultation/YourHealthServiceNewsletterOCT05.pdf
Two world-class developers are drawing up detailed designs for Kent’s new flagship PFI hospital at Pembury. Carillion and Equion have been asked by Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust to have detailed designs for the state of the art hospital and mental health unit ready by February next year. The Trust received more than 70 enquiries of interest in the development with Carillion and Equion emerging as its top two preferred developers. Both companies will continue to work closely with the Trust over the coming months, developing their plans around its requirements for state of the art facilities and services

Interesting. I know Carillion had facilities contracts at William Osler Health System hospitals in Ontario that serve Brampton and Etobicoke. I wonder if David Fuller was a Carillion employee, and if the company ever sent him to work in these facilities.

 

[Gina20]

It was stated in British media that British police travelled to Canada and Australia to investigate David Fuller. No dates or specific locations were provided. We can trust the media, or confirmation by the officials themselves via the media, or not. It is what it is.

Correction: they travelled to investigate the "Bedsit Killer", who we now know is David Fuller. They might have suspected David Fuller. It would help to know when they came here, where they went and if they were using familial DNA and genetic genealogy at the time of their visit.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Full Episode - To Catch A Killer - Ep 102 Cold Case: Margaret McWilliam

'It is confirmed that Scarborough rapist Paul Bernardo was out of the country at the time so he can be ruled out of the enquiry'

 

[SaintGertrude]

I have noticed the UK bedist murder person I mentioned called Fuller was corresponding with someone in Canada on a genealogy website, and that you hope police will contact that person, or the person will contact them.

 

[dotr]

Do you have the name of the lady who went missing in the woods in 1997? Not heard of that despite being local.

UK - UK- Margaret Costen, 54, teacher, voluntary patient last seen leaving Pembury Hospital, 23 Feb 1997

 

[whiterhino]

Full Episode - To Catch A Killer - Ep 102 Cold Case: Margaret McWilliam

'It is confirmed that Scarborough rapist Paul Bernardo was out of the country at the time so he can be ruled out of the enquiry'

*crosses Paul Bernardo off of list*

I'm just throwing this out there: What if it were a student (maybe that is too young Idk)? University or college? Athletic? I don't know what makes me say that but this can't be the only case/victim especially if it were a matter of opportunity. Maybe there were other victims, other parks in that area?

Speaking of... Paul Bernardo sexually assaulted dozens of victims before moving on to murder. In fact along this exact same timeline and within close proximity, Paul Bernardo was active but still in the "assault phase" and hadn't yet begun killing his victims. Point being everyone starts somewhere.

 

[SaintGertrude]

*crosses Paul Bernardo off of list*

I'm just throwing this out there: What if it were a student (maybe that is too young Idk)? University or college? Athletic? I don't know what makes me say that but this can't be the only case/victim especially if it were a matter of opportunity. Maybe there were other victims, other parks in that area?

Speaking of... Paul Bernardo sexually assaulted dozens of victims before moving on to murder. In fact along this exact same timeline and within close proximity, Paul Bernardo was active but still in the "assault phase" and hadn't yet begun killing his victims. Point being everyone starts somewhere.

What I am not understanding is that on the Catch a killer documentary they thought they had their man and he matched the modus operandi, e-fit, place of assault and other similarities. What has happened between 2015 and now. Was this guy ever arrested as he was on parole after murdering someone else in the almost exact location on May 16th 1992. I cannot help but feel there is enough evidence yet police are still saying they do not have their killer and he may have died or be abroad. Is this because skin cell, sweat on Margaret's body was not a match or was there something else not placing him at the scene of the murder.

 

[SaintGertrude]

*crosses Paul Bernardo off of list*

I'm just throwing this out there: What if it were a student (maybe that is too young Idk)? University or college? Athletic? I don't know what makes me say that but this can't be the only case/victim especially if it were a matter of opportunity. Maybe there were other victims, other parks in that area?

Speaking of... Paul Bernardo sexually assaulted dozens of victims before moving on to murder. In fact along this exact same timeline and within close proximity, Paul Bernardo was active but still in the "assault phase" and hadn't yet begun killing his victims. Point being everyone starts somewhere.

With only 300 of the shoes from the shoeprint found at the murder scene what happened with tracing where all 300 shoes had been sold in Canda. Is it thought that the running shoe footprint may have been from the same shoes sold in Canada but purchased abroad. So many questions left unanswered.

 

[SaintGertrude]

This is the original 'Toronto star' report of the other lady who was murdered in the same vicinity and her murderer was jailed.

 

[SaintGertrude]

Murder list of murders in Canada with dates
Canada murderers list | Murderpedia
I don't want to teach people to suck eggs but some ideas.
A few things to check if person could be a suspect in a further murder could be as follows:-
Modus Operandi
Date of assault
Could the killer have been in a certain location at a certain time.
Any DNA evidence such as skin cells, sweat, shoe prints.
Does the victim look like any other previous victims.
Are there any available e-fits of the suspect or some CCTV footage even.
Age/Occupation of both the victim and the suspect
Method of transport (For example was a body moved a distance after the murder)
Were previous victims targeted male/female or a mixture of both.
Does the killer always act alone or perhaps with an accomplice.

 

[SaintGertrude]

I think this is the man investigated by Michael Arntfield and his group? Nothing further seems to have developed from their report.

Thank you for this. He is still looking at the Margaret McWilliam investigation along with his students as I have been in correspondence.