Found Deceased Canada - Owen Rooney, 24, Grand Forks, BC, 14 Aug 2010

  • #201
IIRC, Nordlys distanced themselves from the actual selling of their widgets (something along the lines of "we don't sell them directly").

The following comment made by Ann of Summerland on Nov 29 over at the Find Owen Rooney blog would seem to indicate that there is no middle man in the sale of these items .. Nordlys receives the direct revenue from door-to-door sales:

from: http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&source=www.google.ca
C.C. offer:
- candleholder chimes
- wicker ball chimes
- pagoda chimes
- suncatcher
- suncatcher with brass trim
- horizontal chimes
- chimes with motif
- bamboo chimes
Click on the arrows on the right hand side to view their products selection LINK HERE
We work with you to create products for fundraising projects, special awards or wholesale distribution and pride ourselves with our excellent service and attention to details.

http://www.capizcreations.com/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=9

About the company: http://www.capizcreations.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=10
 
  • #202
Both companies are at the same addy, same suite #.
 
  • #203
  • #204
Hi Guys,

I'm amazed at the quality of the information on here about Owen, I think your all doing a brilliant job at filling in some of the many many blanks about this case.

Yes, I have been putting many hours into this, I've done a few 12 hour days working solely on finding Owen and following up leads, so I feel I'm close to being up to speed on it now. There is a dirth of information generally regarding this case, and in my opinion huge gaps in information I've been able to get. This list has come up with lots of great info, which has been terrific too, and whoever put the time line together of Owen's movements, that was a stroke of brilliance.

Eckankar is an interesting thought, although knowing a bit about Eckankar in Australia, it's really not their style, but then Eckankar may differ from country to country.

I wonder whether Owen had medical insurance. He knew he was hurt, when he was in the police officer's car. I guess as an Australian, most Australians have the perception that if a person in the USA or Canada ends up in hospital, they may end up with a medical bill of $10,000 + To a 24yo, this would mean the end of his trip and probably debt for quite some time. Maybe it was easier for Owen to slip away and not pay the bill. I'm not suggesting Owen is someone likely to break the law, I don't know, but this certainly could be one explanation. Does anyone know whether Owen had travel medical insurance? and if so, whether his hospitalization would be covered by it?

Having run a business myself in the past, I suspect that the person who wanted the dreamcatcher and didn't have the cash, probably was told by Owen or the person selling it to them that they didn't have a bank account. The next best scenario would be to write the check out to Nordly's. This would indicate that they intended to buy more dreamcatchers from Nordly's in the near future, or were owing them money for the one's that they had. If I had power to do anything in the case, I'd be using the courts to subpoena Nordly's for the address they send the dreamcatchers to. I have no idea how co-operative or not the proprietor's of Nordly's are, but even if they are co-operative, they probably would not be allowed to disclose information about who their clients were, short of a subpoena by the courts to present that information to the courts. It could well end his relationship with whoever this client is/are. Very few companies sell direct to the public, so this would be unusual to write a cheque to the company, but I've come across this sort of thing in business a number of times before, so I don't see anything unusual there.

I think the key with paranoia is that a lot of things can be written off as "paranoid" until further information is obtained. Paranoia is unrealistic fears or delusions. The thing is maybe Owen was having realistic fears. Maybe the Shambahlah people wrote them off as just delusional, but it sounds like there were things to be feared around the corner, so maybe he was not at all delusional. Owen didn't have any sort of history of mental illness.

I find it hard to believe that Owen would be delusional for days after the Shambahlah music festival. The thing is the magic mushrooms Owen took have an effect for up to 10 hours. I wonder whether discussions with the Shambahlah medical team that looked after Owen for the 3 days he was in their tent, whether he said that he took them on purpose, or whether some of his food or drink were laced with the magic mushrooms. Does anyone know this? I see this as important in ascertaining whether there was any threat to Owen's health at Shambahlah, or if anyone purposely laced something Owen took with it.

Someone in a drug induced state is much more easily brainwashed / manipulated / controlled.

The bashing would have had a very severe effect on Owen as according to his family he'd never been in a physical fight before. My sense of Owen is that he was far too trusting - but then I'm a very cautious type myself, but that probably comes with maturity and awareness of crimes.

As time goes on I think the Moonies is the most likely scenario of where Owen has gone. He might have amnesia, but I think the chances of that are so miniscule. I think if Owen had brain damage that was that significant, he would also have significant developmental delay from it and or other neurological damage that may impact on the way he can move his body. I'll try to talk with some neuropsychologists / neurologists and see what they say. Has anyone done this? I'm not saying it's not possible, but just that it's highly unlikely. I also think that he's obviously interacting with others, and it's quite bizarre that if amnesia was the issue that someone hadn't put him in touch with medical help by now means that it's extremely unlikely. In fact I think the only plausible explanation is that he's with the Moonies and has been sent for free on some of their courses interstate, without papers, so he's keeping his head down and enjoying the experience. I did read one page about Moonies that said they are taught to live in the now without constraints of what they "should" do, or feeling a sense of responsiblility.

I also know that when many men have issues in their life, they choose to withdraw and sort of hibernate until they sort what's going on in their head out, then resurface. Women are very different in the way they problem solve.

I personally think Owen is going to be found amongst one of the many groups that train new Moonie inductees. There are quite a few organizations in Canada and the USA that run these. I also believe that Owen will resurface down the track, even if he is with the Moonies, as they'll use him to recruit other young people. Owen is a very likeable, loving and affable young man from what I hear, just the sort to bring in new recruits (unfortunately), so someone like Owen would be extremely valuable to them, and also with his skills as an electrician. No he can't sign off on electrical work in Canada, but yes he could do the work and have a local electrician sign off on it.
 
  • #205
"Six months later, still no sign of Owen"

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/...ooney_110215/20110215?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Can't find the Global TV noon-hour newsclip, but in it, Sharron Rooney states they had 40 sightings of Owen selling door-to-door (those sightings stopped in December). IIRC, she said they still can't be sure it is Owen. ???

40 sightings !! Even if only a percentage of those sightings are valid, it probably is a lot more than we would have in the average missing person's case where we'd be lucky to have 1 or 2 sightings.

Given the only available information that we have, I agree that Owen is probably with the Moonies.

ETA: I may stand corrected on Sharron Rooney's exact wording ... may have been 40 "tips" as opposed to "sightings". They did however show a map with all the tips/sightings, that would indicate that "tips" placed Owen in areas able to be mapped.
 
  • #206
Another thing that stood out to me in the Global TV video is that the family states they still do not know how Owen got to Christina Lake.

It was established that Owen was in Nelson prior to Christina Lake, so I do hope the fellow in the pic with Owen was identified and located, with a view to determining if he, or someone he knew, drove Owen to CL.
 
  • #207
  • #208
Very few companies sell direct to the public, so this would be unusual to write a cheque to the company, but I've come across this sort of thing in business a number of times before, so I don't see anything unusual there.
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Not unusual at all to pay by cheque, but if I walk into Home Depot to purchase a pound of nails and pay by cheque, the cheque would be payable to Home Depot, not the sales clerk, or the manufacturer or supplier or wholesaler, the Trusty Rusty Nail Company who had already been paid for the goods.

IMO, it firmly establishes a DIRECT connection between Nordlys to that door-to-door vendor. In other words, Nordlys didn't wholesale to ABC Company for resale by the door-to-door street vendors. IF that were the case, the cheque would have been made out to ABC Company who had already paid Nordlys the wholesale price for the goods. The fact the cheque was payable directly to Nordlys indicates there was no middle-man, and that Nordlys provided the goods directly to the street vendors with instruction that the proceeds from the sale go directly to Nordlys. IF ABC Company had hired the street vendors and distributed the goods to them to sell, chances are the individual street vendors wouldn't have even know that a company called Nordlys was the initial supplier / wholesaler of the goods.
 
  • #209
I still question why Owen would have gone from Shambhala (outside Salmo) totally out of his way 26 miles north to Nelson, before heading another 27 miles south to Castlegar enroute to Christina Lake / Grand Forks ... when he could have just gone from Salmo, 24 miles directly west Castlegar. Why Nelson??
 
  • #210
Since Owen was known to have hitch hiked, would Owen have gotten a lift to Nelson, as that was as far as his lift was going. Could Owen have decided he would be more likely to get a lift back to Grand Forks via Nelson, than where via the more direct route??

I disagree sillybilly re the cheque from the dreamcatcher customer showing a direct link to Nordly's selling their products direct. I think it was just a way they got around the having no bank account themselves. They obviously regularly have to buy/order new supplies from Nordly's, so would have just sat on the cheque until needed and then presented that cheque towards payment for their invoice for the next round of goods they picked up from Nordly's. Not sure if I explained this well enough the first time, sorry if that's the case.
 
  • #211
Turns out the Shambhala Music Festival / Film Fest office mailbox is pretty much directly across the street (622 Front St) from where that pic of Owen is taken at 601 Front St in Nelson.

I wonder if management gave Owen a ride to make up for his unpleasant experience at the Festival.
 
  • #212
This is slightly OT:

Does anyone know if the Moonies would take children? Say if a parent thought they were at risk and tried to hide them to keep them safe?

The reason I'm asking is there are 3 boys missing from Michigan and their father said he gave them to an organization...

TIA
 
  • #213
Owen spent 3 days in the "Sanctuary" tent at Shambhala, which is apparently next door to the first-aid tent. It's possible one of the workers from inside the Sanctuary tent, gave Owen a lift to the Shambhala registered offices, which is in Nelson. Great connection Sillybilly re the Shambhala office being across the road from where he was photographed 2 days before his disappearance.

Maybe Owen had some sort of follow-up appointment after Shambhala to check on how he was doing, or made a friend of one of the workers in "Sanctuary" and went there to meet with him. Maybe the guy Owen was photographed next to, the one with the long hair is one of these workers.

I notice the Shambhala 2010 website has literally thousands of photographs up there now. Have any of Owen's friends scoured these for pics of Owen? It might show some of the people he hung out with at Shambhala, although if he spent the majority of 3 days in the medical tent and then Sanctuary, he may not have mingled much. It would however I'd imagine be nice for the family to have some new photos of their son.
 
  • #214
Sanctuary at Shambhala appears to have had an art gallery, either next door or in the other half of the Sanctuary tent. I found a youtube video which has a couple of shots of Owen in (very fleeting). If you stop the video at 44 seconds, it gives a good side on pic. It's a little hard to tell if it was Owen, but it looks similar to other side on shots of him I've seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbPOFqUZ8uI&feature=player_embedded#at=21

I'd be contacting the guy who shot this video, to see if he has other footage from Shambhala in which Owen is in it.

The Sanctuary tent seemed to be run by volunteers. Some of the people running it describe themselves as psychedelic therapists, ie. they help facilitate people having religious experiences or personal development experiences through their use of drugs. Personally I think a lot more attention needs to be paid into checking each of these workers out, to see if they have any links to the Moonies. I'm betting the guy on the motorbike was probably a volunteer from Sanctuary that Owen got to know / or who significantly helped Owen at Shambhala.

Do others think this is footage of Owen?
 
  • #215
Owen Rooney's disappearance is going to be on CBC's the Fifth Estate !!!

Last night I watched the last portion of the Fifth Estate, and when the show was over, Hana Gartner announced that their Documentary "PRESUMED DEAD" (that most of us watched) was a huge success, and they are doing a new series of cases.

They showed a brief synopsis: a group of people were singing Happy Birthday, the room was dark, candles lit, and I thought the birthday guy looked like Owen, but thought nah! just my imagination.....
not so, it was indeed our Owen! I couldn't catch the date (or perhaps it was not mentioned) when that episode featuring Owen is going to be aired...will try see if I can find that "preview" (or perhaps someone else can find it for me).

I'm really happy Owen's case is going to get lots of exposure...and hopefully new leads will come up.


http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/presumeddead/
 
  • #216
Found the preview re Owen Rooney's upcoming documentary on the Fifth Estate, which is being prepared right now, but is not for next Friday.

Preview: at the very end of the following link....around the 41:00 mark



http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/thedevilyouknow/
 
  • #217
Do others think this is footage of Owen?

I don't think that is him Karina ... profile and sideburns seems all wrong to me. JMO
 
  • #218
I don't think that is him Karina ... profile and sideburns seems all wrong to me. JMO

I'm going to amend my above comment Karina. After checking out a similar side profile of Owen(a pic in the Jan 3 2011 entry at www.find-owen.com), the sideburns/hairline are the same. The facial profile seems off to me though, but could be due to the slightly different angles. The pic of Owen shows his nose upturned, whereas in the Sanctuary video, his nose does not seem to have any upturn whatever.
 
  • #219
Is there any way for me to access this footage when it comes out? Like someone put it on youtube? I can't access their stuff from Australia, it's blocked unfortunately. It would be good to know what they say about Owen. Well spotted Hazel.
 
  • #220
Is there any way for me to access this footage when it comes out? Like someone put it on youtube? I can't access their stuff from Australia, it's blocked unfortunately. It would be good to know what they say about Owen. Well spotted Hazel.
Hi Karina, didn't know you were in Australia. :seeya:
Many people from the US have also complained that they cannot access the Fifth Estate videos, and we have no idea why the CBC doesn't allow that.
I can tell you, however, that in the preview we can see Owen's mom and dad in a snow covered area with mountains, pine trees, also Owen's sister on what looks to me like a train or bus ride, so the family is definitely part of this special report. I am assuming that after the show airs, the video footage will be up on Owen's FB page, hopefully the family will upload it on YouTube so everyone in Australia can watch it. I don't know if they will require authorization from the show producers in order to do that.

I just found out Owen's mom, Sharron, made a radio interview on Daybreak South - British Columbia.
There is no direct link to the interview itself, to Listen the interview, click on the following link, and look for:

Still Looking for Owen

http://www.cbc.ca/daybreaksouth/interviews.html

(it is sorted by "Latest", so if we want to listen to it again, after more time has elapsed, I guess we will have to look in sorted by "Title")
 

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