GUILTY Canada - Rori Hache, 18, pregnant, found deceased, Oshawa, Ont, 29 Aug 2017

[photographer4]

Yes, you are understand it correctly. However, it's puzzling, because what is the difference between "number of family members (1)" and "single boarders"? In either sense, he could qualify for the certificate program, the contribution agreement, or duty counsel.

How does someone exactly work and pay for their contribution agreement if they're in jail on remand? Not that I care if or how this man receives representation.

I was confused by that same issue as well.

 

[Tealgrove]

So to my understanding, and I might be misunderstanding this, but it seems as a "single boarder" he'd have to earn below $8694 gross per year to qualify. If he makes more than that, but less than $10,352 he could do a contribution agreement which would have him pay $50 / month toward his legal fees. If his income is above that second amount, will legal aid still take the case on?

Someone please correct me if I've misunderstood their eligibility requirements... its early and I need coffee!

I used to work for Legal Aid.

So typically guys like AS, Mark Smich etc., who are low lifes and really have a menial income cannot pay the type of legal fees that are going to come down the pike at them. What's on the website and what is reality is somewhat different.

The website is giving you information for low level stuff, wherein you need a divorce, or you were involved in petty crime. The rules change substantially when it comes to murder and LWOP type charges.

Unless he's got a couple hundred thousand in the bank somewhere, he'll be getting Legal Aid.

 

[photographer4]

I used to work for Legal Aid.

So typically guys like AS, Mark Smich etc., who are low lifes and really have a menial income cannot pay the type of legal fees that are going to come down the pike at them. What's on the website and what is reality is somewhat different.

The website is giving you information for low level stuff, wherein you need a divorce, or you were involved in petty crime. The rules change substantially when it comes to murder and LWOP type charges.

Unless he's got a couple hundred thousand in the bank somewhere, he'll be getting Legal Aid.

Thank you so much for helping to clarify this! I could not even find the charge he is facing in the "search your charge" section of the Legal Aid Ontario website. I read about the budgets as well for cases and what they're expected to cost - I'm sure the cost of his legal representation is going to be well above what they show on their website. And you know the smug bugger probably knew all along that if he ever got caught, he'd just put it on the tax payers tab. UGH.

 

[Jealoushe]

A lot of the ppl on Facebook aren't people who follow crime normally, they are interested because it is local. Some of the people in that group hadn't even heard of Laura Babcock.

That's why I love this site, a lot of educated and experienced, passionate individuals.

 

[photographer4]

Just wondering if anyone happens to know what the giant forensic investigation trucks are for? Is it a mobile crime lab? Or is it just a means to transport and store forensic investigative tools? When I drove by the other day there was one massive forensic truck, a black van and an SUV forensic vehicle however I am hearing that today there were two of the big forensic trucks there which made me wonder what exactly do the big units do?

 

[Inthedetails]

Just wondering if anyone happens to know what the giant forensic investigation trucks are for? Is it a mobile crime lab? Or is it just a means to transport and store forensic investigative tools? When I drove by the other day there was one massive forensic truck, a black van and an SUB forensic vehicle however I am hearing that today there were two of the big forensic trucks there which made me wonder what exactly do the big units do?

I don't have an informed answer, but I recall the Subway Jared pedaphile case - and if I'm remembering correctly - there was a mobile computer forensics lab that came to his residence.

Maybe, in addition to "regular" evidence, they are also analyzing computer files.

Total guess....could be way off.

jmo

 

[Grey-St]

Just wondering if anyone happens to know what the giant forensic investigation trucks are for? Is it a mobile crime lab? Or is it just a means to transport and store forensic investigative tools? When I drove by the other day there was one massive forensic truck, a black van and an SUB forensic vehicle however I am hearing that today there were two of the big forensic trucks there which made me wonder what exactly do the big units do?

Essentially, yes. Likely holding everything they need to forensically collect, analyze, store and then transport evidence. Some things can be analyzed at the scene, some things to be analyze back at the lab.

 

[RPS33]

I walked by at lunch today and there were 3 Fornsic trucks, small medium and large, By end of the work day they had repositioned and the large truck had set up shop in front of the house. Earlier in the week the large truck was up at the house fire.

My wife was telling me the small truck has equipment that can be used to examine the ground. (Imaging or something along those lines). One of the coroners is a doctor at her clinic and she got information along those lines from him.

 

[andreww]

I think it would be interesting to find out exactly where Rori was living. It has been confirmed that she did indeed have a boyfriend, Tony, and that she was relying on welfare to pay her rent. I did have an interesting exchange with a young woman on FB today who claimed she had been a close friend of Rori's. She told me that investigators had told her not to reveal the location where Rori was living, though she did say that her apartment was in the vicinity of The Refuge, the Athol St Tim Hortons and Memorial Park. I found it odd that LE would withhold an address, but definitely she is in the same area as AS, possibly very close. One other tidbit I learned was that Rori did not have a cellphone since 2016, so I don't think we will have the benefit of tracking hers and Strong's movements during that period of time.

 

[Grey-St]

I think it would be interesting to find out exactly where Rori was living. It has been confirmed that she did indeed have a boyfriend, Tony, and that she was relying on welfare to pay her rent. I did have an interesting exchange with a young woman on FB today who claimed she had been a close friend of Rori's. She told me that investigators had told her not to reveal the location where Rori was living, though she did say that her apartment was in the vicinity of The Refuge, the Athol St Tim Hortons and Memorial Park. I found it odd that LE would withhold an address, but definitely she is in the same area as AS, possibly very close. One other tidbit I learned was that Rori did not have a cellphone since 2016, so I don't think we will have the benefit of tracking hers and Strong's movements during that period of time.

Oh wow, thanks for this andreww. That's unfortunate about the cell phones.

I'm going to speculate that LE don't wish to put forth Rori's exact address for privacy reasons. She could have been residing in transitional housing, or some other accommodations where other people reside. Maybe simple just an apartment building. The media would be relentless in contacting other residents for comment or insight.

But could there be another reason?

 

[photographer4]

Oh wow, thanks for this andreww. That's unfortunate about the cell phones.

I'm going to speculate that LE don't wish to put forth Rori's exact address for privacy reasons. She could have been residing in transitional housing, or some other accommodations where other people reside. Maybe simple just an apartment building. The media would be relentless in contacting other residents for comment or insight.

But could there be another reason?

There could be many reasons!
- If AS wasn't working alone, they may not know who else he was working with. The exact address might leave other potential victims quite exposed and vulnerable.
- If they have an idea that he may not have worked alone, perhaps they have an idea of who his associate(s) might have been. Its possible they're tracking someone now on the sly. If the media start showing up at the exact address, that could tip someone off enough to spook them into deeper hiding.
- Its possible they have the residence under watch to see who comes and goes etc. This info could screw their investigation.
- I don't even think the FB member should have given our member as much info as she did!!!

 

[Grey-St]

There could be many reasons!
- If AS wasn't working alone, they may not know who else he was working with. The exact address might leave other potential victims quite exposed and vulnerable.
- If they have an idea that he may not have worked alone, perhaps they have an idea of who his associate(s) might have been. Its possible they're tracking someone now on the sly. If the media start showing up at the exact address, that could tip someone off enough to spook them into deeper hiding.
- Its possible they have the residence under watch to see who comes and goes etc. This info could screw their investigation.
- I don't even think the FB member should have given our member as much info as she did!!!

All very true. They likely do have the residence under surveillance, for some reason or another. Maybe, if there is an accomplice or someone else connected to this, they were a frequent flyer of the building.

 

[photographer4]

All very true. They likely do have the residence under surveillance, for some reason or another. Maybe, if there is an accomplice or someone else connected to this, they were a frequent flyer of the building.

Its possible. Or maybe someone connected to the case lives there. Who knows?

The mother said during her media interview outside the courthouse that she believed her daughter was hunted and she'd felt that since day one. If she felt that way, and the uncle noted that Rori seemed scared to talk when she last hugged him, I wonder what more the family might know that the media / community does not?

Could she have been targeted? For what reason? Did she know too much about something or someone? There is nothing that will justify any of this to me or the family I'm sure but somehow I think there is so much more to this than we know so far. This may not have just been a person in the wrong place at the wrong time who happened to cross paths with AS.

 

[andreww]

There could be many reasons!
- If AS wasn't working alone, they may not know who else he was working with. The exact address might leave other potential victims quite exposed and vulnerable.
- If they have an idea that he may not have worked alone, perhaps they have an idea of who his associate(s) might have been. Its possible they're tracking someone now on the sly. If the media start showing up at the exact address, that could tip someone off enough to spook them into deeper hiding.
- Its possible they have the residence under watch to see who comes and goes etc. This info could screw their investigation.
- I don't even think the FB member should have given our member as much info as she did!!!

The residence was occupied by Rori and this Tony person. I assume he may still be living there and wants to remain anonymous? Apparently he has been interviewed when Rori disappeared and was not held. It is interesting that despite the fact that they lived together, Tony had not seen Rori in the days leading up to her disappearance.

 

[andreww]

Its possible. Or maybe someone connected to the case lives there. Who knows?

The mother said during her media interview outside the courthouse that she believed her daughter was hunted and she'd felt that since day one. If she felt that way, and the uncle noted that Rori seemed scared to talk when she last hugged him, I wonder what more the family might know that the media / community does not?

Could she have been targeted? For what reason? Did she know too much about something or someone? There is nothing that will justify any of this to me or the family I'm sure but somehow I think there is so much more to this than we know so far. This may not have just been a person in the wrong place at the wrong time who happened to cross paths with AS.

Not sure exactly what Rori's mom does or doesn't know. She didn't seem to know much about Rori's boyfriend or her pregnancy, so I don't think they were talking or seeing each other daily at that point. Remember, she was in hospital and Rori didn't have a phone, so there might have been a disconnect at that time. She said she felt Rori was hunted since day one, so I don't think this is based on any actual evidence, just a gut feeling. As for the uncle, not sure how much of that was just him over-anylizing the event in hindsight. I don't see this case as being one where there was a threat to her, I feel it just happened. We know Rori and AS were frequenting the same area, possibly she lived near by and he was watching her. If you look at what others have said, his pattern is to befriend the "down and out", then lure them to his home. I don't see him straying from that. He didn't have a vehicle, and he lived downtown. If he was to abduct her he'd basically have to carry her home through the downtown streets. Nope, she went to his home willingly and met her fate there.

 

[photographer4]

The residence was occupied by Rori and this Tony person. I assume he may still be living there and wants to remain anonymous? Apparently he has been interviewed when Rori disappeared and was not held. It is interesting that despite the fact that they lived together, Tony had not seen Rori in the days leading up to her disappearance.

How did you find out that Tony had not seen her in the days leading up to her disappearance? When did HE last see her and where? What states was she in when he last saw her? When did he become concerned that she was missing?
I believe it was staff from the refuge who contacted her godmother to advise she'd not been seen in sometime, no?

 

[Grey-St]

The residence was occupied by Rori and this Tony person. I assume he may still be living there and wants to remain anonymous? Apparently he has been interviewed when Rori disappeared and was not held. It is interesting that despite the fact that they lived together, Tony had not seen Rori in the days leading up to her disappearance.

This is also true. Tony still likely lives there and doesn't wish to be harassed by the media. IF they lived together.

I also found it interesting that Rori's mother seemed to imply that he wasn't so much in the picture. I don't think anything of him one way or the other, or am I alluding to any involvement, just thought it was an interesting tidbit.

 

[photographer4]

I recall reading that the last day she spent with the refuge was to go play paintball.

Is it at all possible AS was playing paintball that day?? He was into guns... is that too far fetched?

 

[Inthedetails]

Anyone got links for the names and info that is being shared?

tia

 

[photographer4]

Anyone got links for the names and info that is being shared?

tia

If you search FB with the following terms: Rori Hache Paintball and hit enter, the first note to pop up is from her memorial page. Someone noted they last saw her while paintballing with the refuge.

Additionally, the same information can be found in this news article:https://globalnews.ca/news/3853670/torso-found-in-lake-ontario-identified-as-missing-oshawa-teen/

EDITED TO ADD: I couldn't help but notice the article cited above indicates the last time she was seen was while at the paintball outing with the refuge. Other media reports have indicated she was last seen at Memorial Park in Oshawa so not sure which is correct. If she was last seen at the paintball event, then who saw her at Memorial Park next and when specifically?