Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

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  • #361
FWIW, this play opened November 25...MAYBE Shannon knew a cast member and they went pub crawling in Inglewood afterwards. (Inglewood is 4 kms from the venue...)

http://www.calgarydowntown.com/things/entertainment/event-details/87909-the-dumb-waiter
https://www.artscommons.ca/WhatsOn/ShowDetails.aspx?show_id=DC7B1172-DD2C-4144-9553-63CF2F4733FA
http://www.theatreencounter.com/productions.html

The Dumb Waiter seems to be a hit! Here is the FB page... There are some friends of Shannon's who were aware of it.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Theatre-Encounter/8684413062
 
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  • #363
I scoped a name that I had come across elsewhere (not fb),, but I have literally hundreds of pages of sleuthing history to sift through.
 
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LOL but with a different ending of course...

[video=youtu;TazHNpt6OTo]http://youtu.be/TazHNpt6OTo[/video]

oh that pina colada song,,, somethings are best left in yesteryear.
 
  • #366
Let's say;
you (male) & I (female) are in a unique relationship style.
and we grow to detest each other.

and I am ok with the direction and cleaning my way to a new future.

and you, get bitter as you thought you held the reins on the relationship style.

and we both cruise the same website.

and I meet someone who I've invested a months worth of letters getting to know (who knows me so well).

and you, have spent two months creating another persona, and, writing letters for a month also.

and I accept a date with your other persona.

and...

pure speculation of course

I wouldn't put it past someone to do this if they were desperate to keep a hold on someone and wanted to toy with them in a dysfunctional/manipulating way. This would be something someone would do if they felt superior and smarter than the person, and a way to get the last laugh (power trip) in a relationship that might have gone a bit sideways... Hypothetically speaking of course.
 
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  • #368
I scoped a name that I had come across elsewhere (not fb),, but I have literally hundreds of pages of sleuthing history to sift through.

Initials? Or not, no pressure :)
 
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I wonder how much questioning the police do in regards to Shannon's circle of friends. Do they approach them individually or rely on them to come forward on their own? It does not make sense to me that LE would ask for info and go with what they receive. Has anyone come forth to say they heard of some weird stuff going on or offer a list of names? If friends are keeping out of it and they assume LE has it covered and have not brought up any strange circumstances or observations how does it ever make sense? I am assuming CPS either has nothing or has something but can't prove it.

I really hope LE has had some conversations and that Shannon has friends' that she would have confided in or friends' that may have suspected something was going on leading up to her disappearance and that they have shared info. with police.
 
  • #371
I wonder how much questioning the police do in regards to Shannon's circle of friends. Do they approach them individually or rely on them to come forward on their own? It does not make sense to me that LE would ask for info and go with what they receive. Has anyone come forth to say they heard of some weird stuff going on or offer a list of names? If friends are keeping out of it and they assume LE has it covered and have not brought up any strange circumstances or observations how does it ever make sense? I am assuming CPS either has nothing or has something but can't prove it.

I really hope LE has had some conversations and that Shannon has friends' that she would have confided in or friends' that may have suspected something was going on leading up to her disappearance and that they have shared info. with police.

Yeah, I wonder too. They must have a system they follow...interview family and last people she saw, check electronic footprint (banking, etc.), when banking stops, go back to friends and sift through, reinterview and fan out from there to acquaintances or persons who might've saw her in passing (business owners, etc).

They must have protocols or steps to handle these cases. I'm guessing if their alerts go off from someone they first interview because their story doesn't add up or sounds fishy, the might follow a certain investigative avenue.

I might be jumping the gun, but it sure seems like the social media sharing about her missing has really slowed down, almost to a stop. To me, I feel like it's either because there's some serious investigation going on quietly or there really is a strong belief she left on her own and they're retreating the attention to let her come back when she's ready.

Very strange to me, how quiet it seems. Unless I heard from my loved one's own mouth that she left on her own, I'd be frantic and wanting to keep her in the media and news. I wonder if the family has hired a private investigator or would think about doing that?
 
  • #372
I have been thinking about this.. the whole lack of .. anything at all, it seems in this case! Ever since really, she was reported missing via the family's press conference. The family said at that time that they did not suspect foul play, and there was, and has been, no evidence of any foul play. SB is an adult. So what is LE really supposed to go on? How much of their resources are they going to expend on a case such as this where an adult goes missing.. no signs of anything sinister.. family expects her to return.. ? Then ... perhaps add into the mix the career of the missing (perhaps a lot of moving around for gigs, a lot more contacts than perhaps a different career, perhaps a career with more than its fair share of participants with vices?).. add in some possible marital discord which perhaps could conceivably result in wanting some time out.. also perhaps add into the mix some other things which have been uncovered along the way in regard to lifestyle..

I'm wondering really, how much money and manpower can LE realistically expend in a case like this? I am not bashing either LE, or SB.. we all saw how quickly LE checked out the 'Fish Creek Park' photos.. they are ready and willing, obviously, to JUMP on whatever tangible piece of potential evidence may pop up. But it seems there just isn't much of that in this case, at least not that we're hearing about. And even as far as investigating the obvious, how far are LE going to go if everything seems 'normal' at home and with family and friends? They can't go treating someone like a criminal if there is no evidence that something sinister occurred.

I have been also following a case here in Ontario where an adult man went missing.. there seemed to be a little more in the way of clues, because the man went missing from a job site (he was a self employed contractor), in the middle of the afternoon, and was never seen nor heard from again. Left behind a toddler and a wife, plus 2 adult children whom he spoke to apparently every day in his home country by telephone, which apparently ended on the day the man went missing. Several days later, his truck was discovered in a back parking lot, and CCTV showed its arrival, and a man (not him apparently), running from the truck. I was SHOCKED when I read that LE stated 'they had even gone SO far as to check the man's social media'... as if this was some big to-do. I would have expected that doing such a thing would be a matter of standard course in a missing person's investigation. LE has made no headway with this case even though they are now saying they suspect foul play.

And then when we look back to the Dellen Millard cases, the missing girl, Laura Babcok.. when she was reported missing initially, it seems LE did little to try to find her. Some look upon that as shoddy police work, and that if that case had been given more resources, it could have potentially prevented two more murders.. but when I think about it... if there is no indication of foul play, and the missing person is an adult, where does that leave LE? There are SO many cases of missing people it seems, and how many of those are found eventually, having left on their own accord? How are LE to decide which cases merit spending huge bucks on searches, and which cases do not? To me, there has to be some kind of evidence to suggest foul play, for LE to decide to allocate large resources to a missing person's case.

The weird thing, to me, is that the family, friends, and associates of SB aren't doing more in the way of their own searches, and social media blitzes... posters, etc.
 
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A few weeks ago, I was wondering the same thing in regard to the 'silence'.. wondering if LE had leads they were following up on, and that there would be some kind of announcement.. but yet nothing, and the silence still persists. It feels like a case gone cold. I have also picked up on that the family for whatever reason, doesn't think it is possible that her disappearance is in any way related to her estranged husband. I'm sure that family and LE know a lot more than is made public in this case in so many areas.
 
  • #375
http://www.calgarycrimestoppers.org/unsolved-crimes

Scroll down at the above link...to where you see Shannon's case listed as follows:

3. Missing Person Investigation
Case #14473197

From there scroll two cases down below her case to:

5. Criminal Harassment
Case #14473054

...Just wondering --- could there be a connection???

ETA: I suppose not, since judging by the case #'s the CH case #5 (ending 3054) was perhaps opened before Shannon's MP case #3 (ending 3197)

:thinking:

:dunno:
 
  • #376
http://www.calgarycrimestoppers.org/unsolved-crimes

Scroll down at the above link...to where you see Shannon's case listed as follows:

3. Missing Person Investigation
Case #14473197

From there scroll two cases down below her case to:

5. Criminal Harassment
Case #14473054

...Just wondering --- could there be a connection???

ETA: I suppose not, since judging by the case #'s the CH case #5 (ending 3054) was perhaps opened before Shannon's MP case #3 (ending 3197)

:thinking:

:dunno:

Wondered about that too, but also now see this way down, in link, fwiw..

"3. Screamfest – Sexual Assualt
Case # 14401327

On Saturday, Oct. 11, 2014, at approximately 9 p.m., a teenage girl was working as an actor at Screamfest located on the Stampede Grounds at 1410 Olympic Way S.E. when she was sexually assaulted by a customer.

The victim was positioned by a wall, in costume, in order to scare customers walking through the “haunted” house. She was standing completely still when a group of approximately six individuals came into her area.

A man from this group approached the victim slowly, as if checking to see if she was real, before he leaned over the cart she was using as a prop and grabbed her breast. The victim said “don’t touch…” and attempted to back away but was only able to move back a step or two against the wall. The man kept his hand on the victim’s breast for a few more seconds then looked at his friends, laughed and walked away with the group.

The young victim immediately reported the incident to her supervisors, one of which spoke directly with the group and advised the suspect that he had to leave Screamfest.

At this time another man in the group became verbally aggressive towards the manager, berating and swearing at her. Stampede security was then called and the entire group was then escorted off of the grounds.

The suspect is described as Caucasian, 20 to 25 years old, 6’ tall with a slim build.

Photos of this suspect may be available at a later date."
 
  • #377
I don't understand how her family could be so confident that foul play wasn't suspected? She has vanished, seemingly into thin air - how can that not be suspect? In fact, and this is purely my own opinion, the only way I would be confident about saying I didn't suspect foul play in similar circumstances would be if that particular family member had a habit of randomly dropping off the grid, not getting in touch with people and apparently disappearing. I can't see this being the case with SB, although there may have been the odd time out for a few days maybe, she seems too connected with people - she knows a lot of people from what I can see.

I think LE have literally nothing to go on, as Deugirtni's post said, exactly how much manpower can LE dedicate to a case involving a grown adult when there is no evidence of anything untoward happening. Although, I don't for one minute believe that LE don't suspect foul play judging from the lightening fast reaction to the 'Fish Creek Photos'.

The family and friends' silence is a little more interesting to me, as Lalalacasbah said if it was my sister/daughter/grand-daughter/significant other/friend I would be making sure her name was in the media and I would be all over social media raising awareness. I don't mean that as a criticism, maybe they are too worried about what may come out that just sitting back and hoping is all they can do. Maybe they have been told by LE to keep quiet so as not to ruin any particular line of enquiry they may have.

Shannon's story has really captured my attention, I sign on to Websleuths every day and hold my breath checking the new posts that there isn't the dreaded 'Found Deceased' by her name (or that of little Malik Drummond) - I cannot begin to imagine what her family are going through in comparison. I hope Shannon (and Malik) are found soon.
 
  • #378
Yes, it seems contrary to on the one hand say it is extremely unlikely for SB to be gone without contacting anyone, whether it be friend or family, while on the other hand, stating they expect her to return safely. Of course that is just hopeful thinking, but perhaps if the truth were stated, rather than hopeful thinking, LE might be more apt to be on it as well?
I have a 15 y/o that I am having some difficulty with and I try to get it through to him all the time, how important it is to always let me know where he is, when he'll be back, who he's with, etc., and if he's not coming home within an expected time range, how important it is to let me know.. I always think about that because whenever I see a missing person's case in the news, it is always mentioned as to whether the person has been known to do this in the past, sort of thing.. and in those cases where it states something like, 'the person has been known to do this, but not for this long'.. it just somehow minimizes the seriousness of the 'missing' part. I don't think those cases are given as much concern as the ones who have *never* not shown up for something.
So.. here is SB, with her family saying it is *extremely unlikely* for her to disappear without letting someone know.. why aren't they taking it more seriously? Why the silence? Where's the heartbreak? Where are all the people who wanted to help search for the Liknes family but who were told they weren't allowed to search? Here is a case where it's open to do searches, and yet they don't seem to be happening.. why?
I hate it when LE keep so much information quiet.. or the family, or whoever it is that keeps everything so quiet. I would love to know why exactly the family seems to find it so preposterous that the estranged husband could have had something to do with this. Why not spell it out as to why?? I think that most people, just based on their knowledge of past history, are thinking along the lines of 'the estranged husband'.. so why isn't the family? There must be an awfully good reason??
 
  • #379
Ahhh Deugirtni - I also have a 15-year old son who I am having trouble with - he thinks he is the boss and that I am overbearing etc etc! He doesn't understand the importance of me knowing where he is, who he is with etc. Yes, he is sensible (to a point!) but then sensible people are attacked/assaulted/murdered every day! He thinks he knows everything at the grand old age of 15 - he is a constant source of worry to me! :/

I agree with your whole post entirely, Deugirtni. People, no matter how flighty or prone to selfish periods of alone time they may be, don't just vanish into thin air. Someone who has a loving family and good friends doesn't purposely go missing and stay missing all through Christmas and New Year (IMO). Maybe she isn't as close to her family as they have portrayed but even if that was the case, she has good friends that surely she would want to contact at some point! But even with all that aside - she has a dog she seemingly worships, surely she would want to be reunited with him!? And what is she living off, if her account hasn't been accessed and she isn't working??

Nothing really makes sense and I can't help but fear the worse. :(
 
  • #380
I'm bringing this post over from thread #1
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ctress-stand-up-comic&p=11275700#post11275700

LoisLane Registered User
Join Date Jul 2014
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Not sure if this information has been posted...

Timeline notes:
SB's FB post regarding her brakes not working on her car (Nov. 25)

SB belongs to a FB group called Yuk Yuk's Calgary Development Night.
On Nov. 26 @11:19am someone posts the following comment:
"Hey gang! Remember that tonight is material swap night. Hope to see you all there! (Get it...I'm doing a post IW would post...get it....clever right?!)"

SB replies on Nov. 26 @8:15pm: "So sad I didn't make it back into Calgary in time for the show "

Where was SB leading up to the days of her disappearance. If her brakes were not working were they repaired or did she use her car to travel outside Calgary? Who did she see? When did she return? Who last saw her in the early morning hours of Nov. 27th?

She posted here (it's on the left side of the page - scroll down to Posts to Page) on November 6 - thanking everyone for the wonderful experience she had her first time out. She says the show was fantastic, and so are 'they'....

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kaboom-Hooray/144070382321905?ref=profile

I don't see any mention on the page amongst the 'palz' that she is missing...fwiw, please do correct me if i'm wrong. There is something about this that makes me very very sad. If you look under December 4 post titled 'Sketch reading/submissions for KABOOM! #36: Pass the Test' it says 11 people went - you can switch the drop down menu & see that Shannon was not even invited. Maybe the group has "rules" about missing "development night" (nov 26) that would automatically exclude her from participating in the "sketch night"

:dunno: :thinking: :sheesh: :tears:
 
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