Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[news.talk]

Brad Worobeck (sp) is still missing since 2007. Was thought to be walking through Fish Creek

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.ca/2012/05/011708-bradley-worobeck-27-calgary.html?m=1

Sadly, I doubt it is him. If the description of the body found was accurate, and it was "badly decomposed" chances are it is relatively recent - under a year. Remains from 2007 would be skeletal and most likely scattered by wild life.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

Sadly, I doubt it is him. If the description of the body found was accurate, and it was "badly decomposed" chances are it is relatively recent - under a year. Remains from 2007 would be skeletal and most likely scattered by wild life.

I was thinking that, and my guess is that it's probably female...just a guess. MOO, but Bradley did cross my mind.

 

[LoisLane]

Does anyone recall the case of missing woman Sarah Coates who was last seen in the area of Stanley Park in August of 2012? She has red hair and blue eyes and was 32 years old at the time. Her van was discovered on a reserve in Morley. She has never been found as far as I know.

http://globalnews.ca/news/548603/calgary-police-seek-woman-missing-since-2012/

 

[news.talk]

I was thinking that, and my guess is that it's probably female...just a guess. MOO, but Bradley did cross my mind.

Calgary seems to be a mecca of missing people. We have so many high profile cases and thousands of others.

I would imagine they would be able to quickly determine gender and possibly blood type. Unless they have dental records on hand, I would imagine that would take time. Once a body starts to decompose, it quickly becomes unrecognizable.

 

[evafiore]

Calgary seems to be a mecca of missing people. We have so many high profile cases and thousands of others.

I would imagine they would be able to quickly determine gender and possibly blood type. Unless they have dental records on hand, I would imagine that would take time. Once a body starts to decompose, it quickly becomes unrecognizable.

This article, the first of the group I posted above, indicates that it can take as little as two months in that environment for a body to become completely unrecognizable:

"The remains were found more than two weeks ago on a riverbank, and had likely been exposed to the elements and wild animals for at least two months, police said.

The body weighs 75 pounds -- which is low due to decomposition -- and is five foot three to five foot four, with wavy grey medium-length hair.

Because of the state of the remains, the woman’s skin colour and age are not known. There are no identifying marks on the body."

 

[news.talk]

This article, the first of the group I posted above, indicates that it can take as little as two months for a body to become unrecognizable in that environment:

"The remains were found more than two weeks ago on a riverbank, and had likely been exposed to the elements and wild animals for at least two months, police said.

The body weighs 75 pounds -- which is low due to decomposition -- and is five foot three to five foot four, with wavy grey medium-length hair.

Because of the state of the remains, the woman’s skin colour and age are not known. There are no identifying marks on the body."

Within a day, there are significant changes that occur. I have seen some that after a week in the elements, a physical identification is impossible. In the article below, it lays out the first few weeks. It states that after 24 hours, the face is unrecognizable.

Graphic read:

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

 

[dotr]

Does anyone recall the case of missing woman Sarah Coates who was last seen in the area of Stanley Park in August of 2012? She has red hair and blue eyes and was 32 years old at the time. Her van was discovered on a reserve in Morley. She has never been found as far as I know.

http://globalnews.ca/news/548603/calgary-police-seek-woman-missing-since-2012/

Pretty girl, reminds me of Shannon.

Hastily started thread for Sarah Coates.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...e-Chevrolet-Astro-van&p=11496779#post11496779

 

[Sillybilly]

Don't skip the comment below the story :blushing:

<rsbm>

That was my first thought tara ... how can they do facial recog when the face was covered with flowers?

Have always felt that perhaps Fish Creek was an LE "fishing" expedition to gauge reaction or see who might somehow take the bait.

 

[Sillybilly]

Calgary seems to be a mecca of missing people. We have so many high profile cases and thousands of others.

I would imagine they would be able to quickly determine gender and possibly blood type. Unless they have dental records on hand, I would imagine that would take time. Once a body starts to decompose, it quickly becomes unrecognizable.

If they've quickly ruled out Justin (as per his Missing FB page), then I strongly suspect the remains are female.

 

[LoisLane]

<rsbm>

That was my first thought tara ... how can they do facial recog when the face was covered with flowers?

Have always felt that perhaps Fish Creek was an LE "fishing" expedition to gauge reaction or see who might somehow take the bait.

Unless the person in the photos made themself present to investigators to prove that she was the one in the artistic display. Possibly with images taken at the same time where her face was showing.

I think Fish Creek is out of hand and that it should be raked inch by inch each season. It may save money for CPS in the long run.

 

[news.talk]

Unless the person in the photos made themself present to investigators to prove that she was the one in the artistic display. Possibly with images taken at the same time where her face was showing.

I think Fish Creek is out of hand and that it should be raked inch by inch each season. It may save money for CPS in the long run.

I agree. I also think the man made lakes in the city should be dragged yearly. Water dumping is so very common.

 

[deugirtni]

That whole pictures hanging on trees in the park thing is just too weird, artistic theory or not. When I heard about that, the press was initially calling it 'macabre', and it was. It sounded like some kind of witch get together or something. And now if that is SB's body at the same park, even if it is large and not necessarily near where the photos were 'hung', it is still too weird. I hope that LE really fully investigated that whole story. If an artistic venture, then why leave the photos hanging there? Aren't artists generally environmentally friendly folk? Who goes to a park and has some kind of ceremony and doesn't clean up after themselves? Nevermind that the photos they posted looked similar to a woman who was in the news as missing at the time. Bunch of loonies.

 

[Sillybilly]

LE went through Fish Creek park for 3 days, including HRD dogs, and didn't locate any body, let alone SB. Given the apparent degree of decomp, I'm wondering if those remains had been someplace else and were deposited there after the search.

ETA: I gather the park is very large, and it was the Sikome Lake area of the park (so not sure where the most recent discovery might have been in relation to Sikome Lake):

Until police positively identify the woman in the photos, it&#8217;s all just speculation &#8212; albeit speculation that&#8217;s had police scouring the Sikome Lake area of Fish Creek Provincial Park for the past three days with a cadaver dog and trained search teams.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

 

[tarabull]

There are photos here I hadn't seen before, of the search when the creepy pics were discovered: http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...fish-creek-park-after-mysterious-photos-found

Sikome Lake is towards the south end of the park: https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Si...2!3m1!1s0x53717638a15aa335:0xa3bca47b918e9847

ETA: a couple of trails/paths maps here: http://www.albertaparks.ca/fish-creek/information-facilities/pathways-trails.aspx

 

[Leischa]

above bbm

Maybe this snip below is how they drew the conclusion that "...the photos were part of an art project, and not linked to Burgess's disappearance.":


Read more: http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

Don't skip the comment below the story :blushing:

Thanks so much Tarabull! I hadn't read one of the articles. And I agree that the fact that things went silent right after the photographs discovery is odd.

And :laughing: about the facial recognition thing. I thought the exact same thing that was stated in the comment... How does that exactly work, LE?! :thinking:

 

[Sillybilly]

I know the park has a lot of paved roads for pedestrian and bike traffic, but are there numerous paved roads where vehicles access the park (i.e. more than the one parking area that is close Sikome Lake)? IOW, if someone drove there to deposit a body, is there someplace other than Sikome Lake where they could drive into the park or just the one at Sikome?

(I think I just asked the same thing twice ^^ but just trying to clarify what I'm getting at .. yeah, sure)

 

[Sillybilly]

Narrows it down a bit ... found in the south part of the park:

Police haven&#8217;t specified exactly where the body was found, only saying it was in a heavily wooded area in the south part of the park.

from:
http://globalnews.ca/news/1834050/human-remains-found-in-fish-creek-park/

So possibly Sikome Lake area??

 

[stan laurel]

CANADA - Calgary, AB, Body found in Fish Creek Provincial Park, 16-Feb-14

wrong year but a good thread to start.

 

[stan laurel]

Narrows it down a bit ... found in the south part of the park:



from:
http://globalnews.ca/news/1834050/human-remains-found-in-fish-creek-park/

So possibly Sikome Lake area??

It's a very BIG PARK, and a naturally maintained one. I just dawned on me that the floods covered a very large swath of it and I wonder if the flood raised older bodies. Look up Charles Ng, a serial killer from California who was living there and captured in Calgary. The thing about Fish Creek is, if there's no trail, there are huge parts that are literally off the beaten path.

To Deurgirti; It's funny I never thought about where they got the image. If the remains are from the area close to Chapparal then that is the same approx. location as the pictures.

 

[LoisLane]

wrong year but a good thread to start.

I am still stuck in 2014. Gets me all the time!