Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm shocked at the crime in Calgary for some reason. I know all big cities have crime, I lived in Van for years, but I don't recall it being like it is in Calgary these days!

I guess I equate Vancouver with more gang/drug crimes and it seems more related to a certain crowd, but lately what I hear about Calgary seems a little more all over the map in terms of who and what for crime. I consider myself an Albertan at heart since I was born there and grew up there (close to Calgary) and even think about moving back sometimes, but not sure what's worse Vancouver or Calgary they're both getting so bad! I'll stay on my island for now

Responding to my own quote to clarify… I mean no disrespect to Calgary whatsoever, it's a beautiful city with great people. Albertans are an unpretentious bunch, salt of the earth people with some quirk thrown in (IMO). I can usually pick an Albertan out of the crowd here in BC, there's *something* about them, of course, I'm biased being a born and half raised Albertan lol!

Since Calgary is such a huge city and seems to be getting bigger and bigger, I think it's more of an example of what we'll expect to see in all our growing cities and that is - the more people (population), the more problems (crime).

Vancouver has it's port/shipping crimes, drugs, as well as the gangs, and it's only a matter of time before crime seeps in to surrounding areas in all provinces as the cities grow.

And funny, IIRC I think StatsCan said Regina or Winnipeg/Manitoba (can't remember) has the highest crime rate in Canada, so who would've thought! It's everywhere and inescapable, all we can do is hope most of our families and friends are never touched or affected by it.

 

[stan laurel]

Calgary has had enormous growth. Rumour has it that we have jobs, so the city has seen a plethora of new residents. It seems crime has followed, which is natural I suppose.

Part of the underbelly of crime is from the labour numbers that show up, get on the rigs and either get laid off, fired for fighting, drugs or alcohol then are stuck in Alberta (ft mac, cowtown, edmonchuk) with a quickly dwindling cash cow and a possible addiction atop of it. The discards so to speak. as the barrel drops in price and smaller outfits can't produce revenue over production, there will be more lay-offs and a slow ebb of not only people out of work, but people out of work who were making more than what e.i says you can collect at. some can weather it and others get more desperate.

 

[deugirtni]

I think when LE talk about looking into finances, at least in a missing persons case, they are referring to looking into whether there has been any activity at all... depending on how many accounts she/they had, how many were joint, how many credit cards, who had access to use them, etc., this could take some time, and could also be quite telling.
For sure JB would have by himself surpassed the minimum income level required to live in the townhouse they're living in.
I find that many younger people these days, especially before they have children, tend to keep their money separate, with each contributing toward the shared costs, and leaving the balance to do with whatever they each individually please. I would suspect that to be the case here, especially if they were 'estranged'.
Although I'm sure having to pay for a brake repair right before Christmas on a presumably very low income would be very bad news, I can't imagine a husband getting *that* upset about it even if he had to fork over the money to her.. as there wasn't really much choice.. it wasn't like a frivolous expenditure that could have waited. It's hard to say though, if JB may have had different thoughts about how much was being spent just in the regular travel back and forth from Edmonton, and its value, versus the payoff in acting income. I find that for some self-employed people, it can sometimes be difficult for them to understand that their expenses exceed their revenue. Money could have certainly been a serious ongoing issue between them, depending on how JB may have looked upon SB's financial and working situation.

I don't have time to look into it until this evening, but during the press conference the officer said something about taking a good look at finances ... something like that ... is that our clue? The minimum income for the townhouse is $42k, so assuming that her husband is making $45-50k ... subtract taxes and daily expenses, and there probably isn't a lot of money left over. If a little was set aside for the holiday season, and then Shannon used the money for a brake repair in Edmonton, that would certainly present a problem. Did she also put the cost of the trip on a joint account? In this case, I'm inclined to think that if the husband did it, then money - and perhaps the brake repair - was the tipping point.

 

[otto]

I think when LE talk about looking into finances, at least in a missing persons case, they are referring to looking into whether there has been any activity at all... depending on how many accounts she/they had, how many were joint, how many credit cards, who had access to use them, etc., this could take some time, and could also be quite telling.
For sure JB would have by himself surpassed the minimum income level required to live in the townhouse they're living in.
I find that many younger people these days, especially before they have children, tend to keep their money separate, with each contributing toward the shared costs, and leaving the balance to do with whatever they each individually please. I would suspect that to be the case here, especially if they were 'estranged'.
Although I'm sure having to pay for a brake repair right before Christmas on a presumably very low income would be very bad news, I can't imagine a husband getting *that* upset about it even if he had to fork over the money to her.. as there wasn't really much choice.. it wasn't like a frivolous expenditure that could have waited. It's hard to say though, if JB may have had different thoughts about how much was being spent just in the regular travel back and forth from Edmonton, and its value, versus the payoff in acting income. I find that for some self-employed people, it can sometimes be difficult for them to understand that their expenses exceed their revenue. Money could have certainly been a serious ongoing issue between them, depending on how JB may have looked upon SB's financial and working situation.

It's clear that the husband is the bread winner in the family, as he has a stable job. In marriage, it seems likely that one helps out if the other has less ... and that balance can shift several times in a marriage. If they have joint visa cards, then it's possible for one party to run up the card without the agreement of the other. I can see money as a source of serious problems for a young, estranged couple that continue to mix up their finances. An unexpected brake repair would be a discussion that could get out of hand at this time of year - when there are a lot of other extra costs.

 

[news.talk]

Since Christmas is in a couple days, I wonder if there will be resolution to this case. If SB left on her own accord, I can't see her not contacting anyone in her family at Christmas, especially if they say this prolonged absence is not in her character. Sadly, if we don't hear anything, the likelihood that she met with foul play goes up substantially. MOO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It's clear that the husband is the bread winner in the family, as he has a stable job. In marriage, it seems likely that one helps out if the other has less ... and that balance can shift several times in a marriage. If they have joint visa cards, then it's possible for one party to run up the card without the agreement of the other. I can see money as a source of serious problems for a young, estranged couple that continue to mix up their finances. An unexpected brake repair would be a discussion that could get out of hand at this time of year - when there are a lot of other extra costs.

I have to disagree, I think jealousy and possessiveness would be more motive to harm someone in SB's situation than money. There probably isn't enough money involved to seriously ruin someone. It would be extremely annoying yes, and might create some tension in the house, but maybe if worse came to worse Shannon would go to her parents for brake money as opposed to her estranged spouse if this was a touchy subject between them.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Since Christmas is in a couple days, I wonder if there will be resolution to this case. If SB left on her own accord, I can't see her not contacting anyone in her family, especially if they say this prolonged absence is not in her character. Sadly, if we don't hear anything, the likelihood that she met with foul play goes up substantially. MOO.

Yes, the family must be waiting with pins and needles for something, anything at this time.

 

[news.talk]

I have to disagree, I think jealousy and possessiveness would be more motive to harm someone in SB's situation than money. There probably isn't enough money involved to seriously ruin someone. It would be extremely annoying yes, and might create some tension in the house, but maybe if worse came to worse Shannon would go to her parents for brake money as opposed to her estranged spouse if this was a touchy subject between them.

I agree. If he was a millionaire and she was potentially divorcing him and asking for a substantial settlement, it would be a motive. In this case, I don't believe money is an issue.

I can definitely see jealousy being an issue here. She is a beautiful girl and he is... well... plain. She is outgoing and judging from her social-media comments, very friendly and has many friends. He seems more introverted.

 

[otto]

I have to disagree, I think jealousy and possessiveness would be more motive to harm someone in SB's situation than money. There probably isn't enough money involved to seriously ruin someone. It would be extremely annoying yes, and might create some tension in the house, but maybe if worse came to worse Shannon would go to her parents for brake money as opposed to her estranged spouse if this was a touchy subject between them.

We have only heard about a husband. No boyfriend has stepped forward to plead for the safe return of Shannon, so it's probably safe to say that there isn't a special someone. Her husband stepped up when someone else in the family pleaded for Shannon's safe return, but he has yet to plead for her safe return. Some guilty husbands do, and some innocent ones don't, so it doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting. Anyway ... where, or what, is the jealous triangle that would be motive here?

I doubt that there's much money involved, but if Shannon has been supported by her husband during the last couple of years that they were together, and within six months of marriage she's bailing, it's possible that she continued to spend as though being supported whereas maybe he didn't see it like that. The brakes wouldn't be so much about money, but moreso taking for granted, or advantage of.

 

[otto]

Are we sure that she posted about broken brakes at 2AM on Nov 26? It's my guess that she would be in Edmonton at that time, given everything she did in Edmonton, plus the drive (return trip). She wouldn't randomly post that at 2AM if she didn't just discover the problem. That is, it's unlikely that there was a problem with the brakes at 10AM and she waited until 2AM to post about it.

It doesn't seem likely that she would be up at 2AM in Calgary late Tuesday night with a broken-down car, then drove to Edmonton the following morning, auditioned, spent time with friends, drove back to Calgary, arrived at 9:15-ish PM (too late for Yuk Yuks). Was there a text or phone call at 10PM on Wednesday? Two and a half hours later, at 12:30AM on Nov 27, she vanishes from the face of the earth ... no trace, so far.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes for sure, it would sure be bad news if JB had credit cards and SB was still using them, perhaps without always asking first. Ugh. Surely he would put a stop to it though, if they were estranged, by perhaps getting a new card/number issued to only himself? I suppose SB could have her own cards too, depending on her credit worthiness. It is weird to me that if SB was having big problems with JB, why wouldn't she be sharing her feelings with at least someone? And if she was, then why isn't this reported, and if it was, then wouldn't everyone be all over him with suspicion? And yet the family seems to have no issues with him.

It's clear that the husband is the bread winner in the family, as he has a stable job. In marriage, it seems likely that one helps out if the other has less ... and that balance can shift several times in a marriage. If they have joint visa cards, then it's possible for one party to run up the card without the agreement of the other. I can see money as a source of serious problems for a young, estranged couple that continue to mix up their finances. An unexpected brake repair would be a discussion that could get out of hand at this time of year - when there are a lot of other extra costs.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

We have only heard about a husband. No boyfriend has stepped forward to plead for the safe return of Shannon, so it's probably safe to say that there isn't a special someone. Her husband stepped up when someone else in the family pleaded for Shannon's safe return, but he has yet to plead for her safe return. Some guilty husbands do, and some innocent ones don't, so it doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting. Anyway ... where, or what, is the jealous triangle that would be motive here?

I doubt that there's much money involved, but if Shannon has been supported by her husband during the last couple of years that they were together, and within six months of marriage she's bailing, it's possible that she continued to spend as though being supported whereas maybe he didn't see it like that. The brakes wouldn't be so much about money, but moreso taking for granted, or advantage of.

I meant jealousy and possessiveness from her husband, that being a motive for him to harm her. No triangle, just him... If he might be an anal, repressed, perfectionist, controlling type. Those types tend to snap, and would if he's like that, he might have anger management issues towards someone as free spirited and outspoken (that's the type person she seems like to me) as Shannon.

I'd really like to know what his character is like. Is he a controlling type? Or a puppy dog? Both traits can get violently controlling and jealous.

I agree about what you said of JB could have felt taken advantage of or used/humiliated though, that could tie in with repressed anger issues if he has any of these characteristics.

 

[otto]

Press Conference: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=507836

The is what the officer said about the banking during the press conference:

"Credit card and banking information is one of the priorities that we look at … so we’re definitely looking at the banking."

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm thinking SB and JB didn't share bank accounts or credit cards. If they're newly married, they might not have combined assets and financials, especially after a short time. He might be paying off student loans if he had any, so that would be his debt. She might've entered the marriage with her own vehicle loan and payments, they might've kept finances separate as a lot of people seem to do nowadays.

Didn't someone find out how long they lived together before they were married?

 

[otto]

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=507836&binId=1.1201914&playlistPageNum=1

 

[otto]

I'm thinking SB and JB didn't share bank accounts or credit cards. If they're newly married, they might not have combined assets and financials, especially after a short time. He might be paying off student loans if he had any, so that would be his debt. She might've entered the marriage with her own vehicle loan and payments, they might've kept finances separate as a lot of people seem to do nowadays.

Didn't someone find out how long they lived together before they were married?

The were married in May, 2014, but their names were connected a couple of years ago. A shared credit card at the time of marriage wouldn't be unusual, if only for household expenses. I suppose some couples pitch in for the credit card when the bill arrives, or the primary earner pitches in for most of it. If a couple that shares a credit card splits up, and one runs up a hefty bill - with little in terms of means to repay the debt, I could see that being a big problem ... but it's not just about the money.

 

[otto]

I meant jealousy and possessiveness from her husband, that being a motive for him to harm her. No triangle, just him... If he might be an anal, repressed, perfectionist, controlling type. Those types tend to snap, and would if he's like that, he might have anger management issues towards someone as free spirited and outspoken (that's the type person she seems like to me) as Shannon.

I'd really like to know what his character is like. Is he a controlling type? Or a puppy dog? Both traits can get violently controlling and jealous.

I agree about what you said of JB could have felt taken advantage of or used/humiliated though, that could tie in with repressed anger issues if he has any of these characteristics.

He was jealous and possessive that she was in Edmonton with friends, that she had a small opportunity with only long term possibilities? If he had a possessive tendency like that, why didn't he follow her to Edmonton ... find out what she was up to? Isn't that what possessive, jealous husbands do? They don't just snap out of the blue ... first the stalking, and information from everyone that the husband was possessive and controlling ... after two years of being together. That doesn't sound plausible to me, but maybe that happened: jealous crazed husband goes mad while his estranged wife auditions for an acting job in Edmonton.

 

[deugirtni]

In my humble opinion, that time is already passed. I can't see how someone who is apparently close with her family and hasn't ever done this before, could disappear on her own accord and torment her family like this with no contact in the days leading up to Christmas. I would sure be mighty pi**ed if someone I loved did that and then contacted family on Christmas day. As much as it would be great to know the person was alive and well, it would be difficult to come to terms with how someone could do that to her loved ones. Therefore, I can't help feeling the likelihood of foul play of some kind is already a given. MOO

Since Christmas is in a couple days, I wonder if there will be resolution to this case. If SB left on her own accord, I can't see her not contacting anyone in her family at Christmas, especially if they say this prolonged absence is not in her character. Sadly, if we don't hear anything, the likelihood that she met with foul play goes up substantially. MOO.

 

[otto]

Yes for sure, it would sure be bad news if JB had credit cards and SB was still using them, perhaps without always asking first. Ugh. Surely he would put a stop to it though, if they were estranged, by perhaps getting a new card/number issued to only himself? I suppose SB could have her own cards too, depending on her credit worthiness. It is weird to me that if SB was having big problems with JB, why wouldn't she be sharing her feelings with at least someone? And if she was, then why isn't this reported, and if it was, then wouldn't everyone be all over him with suspicion? And yet the family seems to have no issues with him.

Maybe the expenses were small until the weekend in Edmonton, with so many friends, and the broken brakes at 2AM (that suggests closing the bar), the gas for a 600km drive ... and perhaps no realistic promise of repayment. Maybe this isn't the first month with a problem? It is possible to cancel a credit card when there are big expenses, but most people would overlook the small ones.

Either way, it's fairly certain in my mind that the brakes broke in Edmonton late Tuesday evening after arriving in Edmonton. There's no question in my mind that they had to be repaired before she could drive home. That certainly raises the question of whether there was tampering to her brakes ... given that she made a 300km drive that day. That would be a bad time to have brake trouble ... flying down the highway at 120-160 km/hr.

It also raises the question of how is Shannon supporting herself ... from gig to gig? Was that enough? What kind of car did she drive?

 

[news.talk]

Maybe the expenses were small until the weekend in Edmonton, with so many friends, and the broken brakes at 2AM (that suggests closing the bar), the gas for a 600km drive ... and perhaps no realistic promise of repayment. Maybe this isn't the first month with a problem? It is possible to cancel a credit card when there are big expenses, but most people would overlook the small ones.

Either way, it's fairly certain in my mind that the brakes broke in Edmonton late Tuesday evening after arriving in Edmonton. There's no question in my mind that they had to be repaired before she could drive home. That certainly raises the question of whether there was tampering to her brakes ... given that she made a 300km drive that day. That would be a bad time to have brake trouble ... flying down the highway at 120-160 km/hr.

It also raises the question of how is Shannon supporting herself ... from gig to gig? Was that enough? What kind of car did she drive?

We do not know for certain that SB even took her car too Edmonton. Maybe a friend drove, maybe it was her husband?

We also do not know for certain that she didn't go to Edmonton as a day trip. There are so many possible variables.