Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[Leischa]

About the possibility that JB was not at home that night after 12:30... I think that it would make sense. And I don't see it as an excuse for why JB didn't report Shannon missing, but rather as a sign of a bad relationship between the two.

What if JB was home that night when Shannon returned from Edmonton, like any other day. She comes back, maybe showers, eats something, and then they start arguying over something. Things get bad and he leaves the house.

Did he come back the next day after work, found out she was gone and didn't worry about it? It doesn't make sense to me.

Did he stay away from home until he heard from Shannon's family? That could make sense, especially if they had been fighting for some time before the ''event''.

But what if something happened to her during their fight? (This fight is obviously not a fact, I'm just trying to make sense of how and why a man would not report their spouse to be missing...)

To me, this is a real head scratcher...

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I think it is entirely possible for the husband to have been the one who last saw her at the home and it was him who left the home at around 12:30 a.m. and that he may have been staying elsewhere for an extended period of time. Police are going by the last time she was seen at the home, obviously she left because she was not there and the time stamp is 12:30 a.m. because of a supposed reliable source. It is very possible JB was living elsewhere at the time and he never returned to the home after 12:30 a.m. IIRC he was referred to as being "estranged" by either the media or in the presser. The time is documented as Shannon last being seen at 12:30 a.m.

IMO, I think the dog died in the weeks leading up to the disappearance or JB would have had the dog in his care and that they "split-custody". I think JB was just as possesive over the dog as Shannon would have been and unless they surrendered him; someone else was caring for him; or the dog has died; then the dog would have been left unattended in the residence, if that was the case I feel the police and especially the family would have put out a more urgent appeal for her to be found and may have stated that her safety was in jeopardy and that it was not like her to leave the dog uncared for. They did not. For some reason I think the dog is a non-issue. JMOO.

Not to beat the same drum, but it is not unusual for those with a disorder like Bipolar Disorder or BPD to have a pet for attention, comfort or love, only to abandon it for something else that offers a more intense version of attention, comfort or love.

 

[deugirtni]

Just some notes:

-SJ&JB's Shared Home.. It is stated in MSM that SB and JB 'shared a home', but does that mean 'shared a home in name', meaning, both names were on the lease? Or does that mean literally shared a home and lived and slept in the shared home every day? And if literally, does that then preclude the possibility that JB was off enjoying a tryst with one or more of his mostly non-monogamous partners for a few days?

We know that SB had brake problems just before she came back to Calgary from Edmonton. Yet it states that her vehicle was at home and that SB left it, along with her cellphone, even though she took her keys. Did she get the car fixed before she returned? Did she drive it anyway, with its brake probs? Perhaps she had it looked at by a mechanic and he said yes, work needs to be done, however it isn't urgent or life threatening and it can wait until tomorrow when you get home? (Which perhaps she couldn't afford?)

Did she ask JB to come to Edmonton to drive her car home for her? But that wouldnt' make sense since he'd have to drive his own car to get to Edmonton, and then who would drive his own vehicle back home? Hmm, perhaps SB? Perhaps that is why he was at the home at 12;30am? But she had been posting on FB prior to 12;30am, around 10pm if I remember correctly, and at that time, it 'sounded' like she had arrived back in Calgary.. and so if JB's purpose there that night was only to drive her car home for her, then why was he still around 2.5 hours later?

The sister said 'she left'.. so to me that indicates that JB knows/said that 'she left', as opposed to 'he left and then nobody ever saw or heard from her again', or 'she just disappeared after last being seen at home at 12;30am by her husband'. So it does sound like JB was at the home when he says that 'she left'.

-The dog.. nobody knows whether the dog was still alive and living there that night of SB's disappearance.

Someone suggested that it is possible that if the dog died, SB could have been deeply affected and this could have led to emotional issues, which on top of the 'messy divorce' with JB, could have impacted her mental status?

We don't know anything about the dog, it is a mystery.. why is it a mystery? If it was a potential factor in SB's emotional state, you would think that would have been stated? It was stated that SB may be upset (her sister said this, but in different words). Why? Was it because her dog had died? Was it because SB and JB had an argument that evening upon her return to Calgary?

Was it because her mostly non-monogamous husband had found a new partner where he liked to stay overnight for nights at a time? But yet, they 'got along quite well', according to the sister and the family does not suspect him. Weird.

If SB had a different friend care for the dog while in Edmonton, it may make total sense that the dog was still there, since SB had arrived 'back in Calgary' too late to attend the event she had hoped to attend. (YukYuk's). If/when I dog-sit for people, the last thing I want is them coming to my door after 10pm on a weekday/workday night to pick up said dog. Wait until tomorrow thank you, even though you may be in a rush to see your loved pet. But you would think there would at least have been mention.. something like.. the dogsitter heard nothing from SB to make arrangements to pick up her beloved pet dog.

-SB's phone... Whether JB was actually sleeping at the home he shared with SB on that night that 'she left', and during the 5 days before she was reported 'missing'.. or whether he was staying elsewhere for those 5 days, he may not have known that she left her phone at home. If they were in the 'midst of a nasty divorce', as was reported in MSM, even though 'they got along quite well actually', as per SB's own sister, I'm going to take a leap and assume they were not sleeping in the same bedroom. Therefore, she could have left her cellphone in 'her' bedroom without him being aware of that. If the phone was dead, which surely it would be at some point, it would no longer ring for him to hear. She may have even had it turned off. Or it could have been already dead at the time 'she left' and that could explain why she didn't take it with her (if she had only been planning to be away for a couple of hours).

-JB's career/occupation.. this has been discussed before, and it appears that JB is involved in working a steady day-job with the government, auctioning off old furniture and equipment from government office buildings, which could fit in with his description of renovating old buildings.

-The reporting of SB's disappearance.. it sounds like, from MSM, the sister EM, called JB while he was at work to ask him about SB's whereabouts.. whether he spoke directly to her then, or received a voicemail which he listened to later.. in either case, he would have had to wait until he got off work to go to the 'home he shared with SB', to see if she was there. Apparently he tried to also reach her on her cellphone after hearing from EM that she couldn't reach SB, and he also received no answer or callback. If JB, for whatever reason, didn't feel it was that strange for SB to not be home for a few days without adivisng him of her whereabouts, then I could see him not being in a rush to take time off work to see if she was at home.

-'mostly non monogamous'.. from previous discussions on this thread, I think that sleuthers have come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that it was JB who was into the non monogamous lifestyle prior to SB becoming involved. It sounded like he already had a girlfriend when SB first met him, and that he transitioned fairly rapidly into a relationship with SB after his other relationship ended. In light of that theory, which sounds to be true, then I can't see why JB would have been expecting SB to settle down, etc. I would think more that JB found someone new that he perhaps liked to be with on a more consistent basis than perhaps previously. Maybe SB, since she publicly listed herself as 'bi', liked to do threesomes with her husband and a girl of her choice (as evidenced by the comment(s) made when JB gave her flowers at work one day), and that was okay, but perhaps if JB wanted to be with another girl just on his own, and liked it, that could have presented an issue for SB?

These are all just my own thoughts in relation to discussion recently on here, based on previous discussions here, MSM or other articles and information found on here, but if anyone requires links, I can try to locate again.

 

[deugirtni]

I guess we sleuthers always have to keep in mind that we seem to constantly pick apart statements that people say, or are said to have said, and in reality, people generally aren't always that careful about the wording of what they say, for it to be picked apart literally word by word. So something that may stick out for 'us' as being important, might just be general.

For example.. when SB's sister said that 'she left'. To me, when I pick at it, it means that 'she left', and for her to have 'left', someone, that someone being her husband, was there at the time and witnessed her leaving, and reported that 'she left'. But in reality, it could simply mean that the sister is assuming that SB 'left', just because she isn't at home. But in a missing persons case, one might think that being loose with wording like that, would be a mistake. Because.. look at that other case where the 'missing woman' was found in 'her own home' two years later, and the husband is now charged with murder. That woman didn't leave. Nobody should be assuming that she left, unless they know that she left. If the only person to 'know' that 'she left' is her husband who she gets along with quite well actually, even though she is undergoing a messy divorce with him while still sharing a home, then I really hope that LE obtained a search warrant to search that home and both vehicles.

I wonder if the way the family is feeling has any bearing on how LE would look at a case. For example, the family is saying, yes, here he is at our family's press conference, even though they're having some kind of marital difficulties which have prompted a divorce to be in the works.. family is okay with him.. so police don't worry about it... whereas if family said.. 'hmm, they're going thru a messy divorce, it's got to be difficult living together in those circumstances, even tho he seems like a nice guy and 'we' have no issues with him, perhaps you officers should take a better look, since ... who is usually found to be the perp if someone is found murdered? Maybe you should get a warrant and take a look?' ??

 

[evafiore]

Just some notes:

-SJ&JB's Shared Home.. It is stated in MSM that SB and JB 'shared a home', but does that mean 'shared a home in name', meaning, both names were on the lease? Or does that mean literally shared a home and lived and slept in the shared home every day? And if literally, does that then preclude the possibility that JB was off enjoying a tryst with one or more of his mostly non-monogamous partners for a few days?

We know that SB had brake problems just before she came back to Calgary from Edmonton. Yet it states that her vehicle was at home and that SB left it, along with her cellphone, even though she took her keys. Did she get the car fixed before she returned? Did she drive it anyway, with its brake probs? Perhaps she had it looked at by a mechanic and he said yes, work needs to be done, however it isn't urgent or life threatening and it can wait until tomorrow when you get home? (Which perhaps she couldn't afford?)

Did she ask JB to come to Edmonton to drive her car home for her? But that wouldnt' make sense since he'd have to drive his own car to get to Edmonton, and then who would drive his own vehicle back home? Hmm, perhaps SB? Perhaps that is why he was at the home at 12;30am? But she had been posting on FB prior to 12;30am, around 10pm if I remember correctly, and at that time, it 'sounded' like she had arrived back in Calgary.. and so if JB's purpose there that night was only to drive her car home for her, then why was he still around 2.5 hours later?

The sister said 'she left'.. so to me that indicates that JB knows/said that 'she left', as opposed to 'he left and then nobody ever saw or heard from her again', or 'she just disappeared after last being seen at home at 12;30am by her husband'. So it does sound like JB was at the home when he says that 'she left'.

-The dog.. nobody knows whether the dog was still alive and living there that night of SB's disappearance.

Someone suggested that it is possible that if the dog died, SB could have been deeply affected and this could have led to emotional issues, which on top of the 'messy divorce' with JB, could have impacted her mental status?

We don't know anything about the dog, it is a mystery.. why is it a mystery? If it was a potential factor in SB's emotional state, you would think that would have been stated? It was stated that SB may be upset (her sister said this, but in different words). Why? Was it because her dog had died? Was it because SB and JB had an argument that evening upon her return to Calgary?

Was it because her mostly non-monogamous husband had found a new partner where he liked to stay overnight for nights at a time? But yet, they 'got along quite well', according to the sister and the family does not suspect him. Weird.

If SB had a different friend care for the dog while in Edmonton, it may make total sense that the dog was still there, since SB had arrived 'back in Calgary' too late to attend the event she had hoped to attend. (YukYuk's). If/when I dog-sit for people, the last thing I want is them coming to my door after 10pm on a weekday/workday night to pick up said dog. Wait until tomorrow thank you, even though you may be in a rush to see your loved pet. But you would think there would at least have been mention.. something like.. the dogsitter heard nothing from SB to make arrangements to pick up her beloved pet dog.

-SB's phone... Whether JB was actually sleeping at the home he shared with SB on that night that 'she left', and during the 5 days before she was reported 'missing'.. or whether he was staying elsewhere for those 5 days, he may not have known that she left her phone at home. If they were in the 'midst of a nasty divorce', as was reported in MSM, even though 'they got along quite well actually', as per SB's own sister, I'm going to take a leap and assume they were not sleeping in the same bedroom. Therefore, she could have left her cellphone in 'her' bedroom without him being aware of that. If the phone was dead, which surely it would be at some point, it would no longer ring for him to hear. She may have even had it turned off. Or it could have been already dead at the time 'she left' and that could explain why she didn't take it with her (if she had only been planning to be away for a couple of hours).

-JB's career/occupation.. this has been discussed before, and it appears that JB is involved in working a steady day-job with the government, auctioning off old furniture and equipment from government office buildings, which could fit in with his description of renovating old buildings.

-The reporting of SB's disappearance.. it sounds like, from MSM, the sister EM, called JB while he was at work to ask him about SB's whereabouts.. whether he spoke directly to her then, or received a voicemail which he listened to later.. in either case, he would have had to wait until he got off work to go to the 'home he shared with SB', to see if she was there. Apparently he tried to also reach her on her cellphone after hearing from EM that she couldn't reach SB, and he also received no answer or callback. If JB, for whatever reason, didn't feel it was that strange for SB to not be home for a few days without adivisng him of her whereabouts, then I could see him not being in a rush to take time off work to see if she was at home.

-'mostly non monogamous'.. from previous discussions on this thread, I think that sleuthers have come to the conclusion, rightly or wrongly, that it was JB who was into the non monogamous lifestyle prior to SB becoming involved. It sounded like he already had a girlfriend when SB first met him, and that he transitioned fairly rapidly into a relationship with SB after his other relationship ended. In light of that theory, which sounds to be true, then I can't see why JB would have been expecting SB to settle down, etc. I would think more that JB found someone new that he perhaps liked to be with on a more consistent basis than perhaps previously. Maybe SB, since she publicly listed herself as 'bi', liked to do threesomes with her husband and a girl of her choice (as evidenced by the comment(s) made when JB gave her flowers at work one day), and that was okay, but perhaps if JB wanted to be with another girl just on his own, and liked it, that could have presented an issue for SB?

These are all just my own thoughts in relation to discussion recently on here, based on previous discussions here, MSM or other articles and information found on here, but if anyone requires links, I can try to locate again.

Nice sum up

I must add though, I've looked into JB's job---the link between him and the NEB is incorrect, that's someone else (I'm guessing). It's a common name. Compare the education listed on the career website vs JB's on FB, and you'll see it's different. Coincidentally, JB does have a cousin (or relative of some sort, she has a different first initial) who worked there, but the JB at the NEB and selling the office equipment (in my opinion) is not SB's husband. I think her husband does, as indicated by his OkCupid profile, building demo. He doesn't have a LinkedIn account, or at least it's not the one that was referred to earlier, and the demo job is not a government job.

Also, back to the dog (which I'm beginning to write off as a non-issue), at the presser, there was mention of SB not making some other commitments over the weekend. Could one of these commitments have been picking up the dog? Either that or it was joint-custody thing and JB was caring for the dog.

Just some ideas, not asserting it's the truth.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If I recall the video, the sister ever so briefly hesitated, as if searching for a term to describe SB's disappearance... and chose "the day she left" instead of "the day she disappeared". At no time did anyone say they saw her leave anywhere.

My point about the "she left" comment, was that it was an indication that, in her sister's mind, SB could have left by choice, regardless of how they were hinting otherwise.

At the time, we didn't know all we do about the "lifestyle" and "marriage". Now that we do, her sister's reluctance to fully commit to the idea the disappearance was completely out of character, makes more sense.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I think it is entirely possible for the husband to have been the one who last saw her at the home and it was him who left the home at around 12:30 a.m. and that he may have been staying elsewhere for an extended period of time. Police are going by the last time she was seen at the home, obviously she left because she was not there and the time stamp is 12:30 a.m. because of a supposed reliable source. It is very possible JB was living elsewhere at the time and he never returned to the home after 12:30 a.m. IIRC he was referred to as being "estranged" by either the media or in the presser. The time is documented as Shannon last being seen at 12:30 a.m.

IMO, I think the dog died in the weeks leading up to the disappearance or JB would have had the dog in his care and that they "split-custody". I think JB was just as possesive over the dog as Shannon would have been and unless they surrendered him; someone else was caring for him; or the dog has died; then the dog would have been left unattended in the residence, if that was the case I feel the police and especially the family would have put out a more urgent appeal for her to be found and may have stated that her safety was in jeopardy and that it was not like her to leave the dog uncared for. They did not. For some reason I think the dog is a non-issue. JMOO.

I put up with my ex's cats for years, and would have happily *not* fought over them in the event of a breakup.

Not everyone is a pet lover, but will clean a cat box or fill a bowl because the little guys need you to. It's also not exactly easy to start a relationship by saying "get rid of the pet".

 

[LoisLane]

I put up with my ex's cats for years, and would have happily *not* fought over them in the event of a breakup.

Not everyone is a pet lover, but will clean a cat box or fill a bowl because the little guys need you to. It's also not exactly easy to start a relationship by saying "get rid of the pet".

True. My interpretation is his love for the dog is expressed as much as Shannon's love for the dog. JB also claims to have dogs on his Cupid profile and I believe he was the one who chose the name (they adopted the dog while together not prior to being a couple) and snapped photo's of his wife with the dog, etc..

 

[LoisLane]

Nice sum up

I must add though, I've looked into JB's job---the link between him and the NEB is incorrect, that's someone else (I'm guessing). It's a common name. Compare the education listed on the career website vs JB's on FB, and you'll see it's different. Coincidentally, JB does have a cousin (or relative of some sort, she has a different first initial) who worked there, but the JB at the NEB and selling the office equipment (in my opinion) is not SB's husband. I think her husband does, as indicated by his OkCupid profile, building demo. He doesn't have a LinkedIn account, or at least it's not the one that was referred to earlier, and the demo job is not a government job.

Also, back to the dog (which I'm beginning to write off as a non-issue), at the presser, there was mention of SB not making some other commitments over the weekend. Could one of these commitments have been picking up the dog? Either that or it was joint-custody thing and JB was caring for the dog.

Just some ideas, not asserting it's the truth.

Interesting about the NEB. Did you see some of the classified advertisements where a JB is selling office equipment? Too bad the LinkedIn profile doesn't have a photo.

 

[LoisLane]

Not to beat the same drum, but it is not unusual for those with a disorder like Bipolar Disorder or BPD to have a pet for attention, comfort or love, only to abandon it for something else that offers a more intense version of attention, comfort or love.

I wonder if JB also has the disorder...

 

[evafiore]

Interesting about the NEB. Did you see some of the classified advertisements where a JB is selling office equipment? Too bad the LinkedIn profile doesn't have a photo.

Yes, Asset Managers can be in charge of stuff like that---much more likely to be, actually, than someone working in demolition. The difference in education between the two profiles, the fact that there are a number of people of that name in Calgary, and no mention of office work (rather demolition) in JB's OkC profile, tells me the person at the NEB is probably not SB's husband.

Which may or may not change how we look at this. My brother did demo for a few months just out of university---from what I remember him telling me, it's dirty, thankless, and not great pay. Not saying that's how it is for JB, but could be.

 

[Sillybilly]

Nice sum up

I must add though, I've looked into JB's job---the link between him and the NEB is incorrect, that's someone else (I'm guessing). It's a common name. Compare the education listed on the career website vs JB's on FB, and you'll see it's different. Coincidentally, JB does have a cousin (or relative of some sort, she has a different first initial) who worked there, but the JB at the NEB and selling the office equipment (in my opinion) is not SB's husband. I think her husband does, as indicated by his OkCupid profile, building demo. He doesn't have a LinkedIn account, or at least it's not the one that was referred to earlier, and the demo job is not a government job.

<rsbm>

I'm not yet convinced they are not one and the same. As you say, 'our' JB has a relative who works at NEB (iirc, long term). The Government of Canada website shows a JB as a contract "temporary help services" position Nov 16 2013 to March 31 2014 at a salary of $19,000. It then shows a JB as a contract "temporary help services" position April 1 2015 to June 30 2014 at a salary of $5,000.

IMO, wouldn't be out of the ordinary for someone to be self-employed in building demo while doing contract work for the government. Also not unusual for someone to show their public school education in one type of social media, and elsewhere show only their more recent post-secondary education.

Upthread someone made mention of JB's nine to five ... I don't necessarily interpret that to mean his specific hours. Many people use that phrase simply to indicate "my regular job".

Not saying they are the same person, but not discounting it for now.

 

[evafiore]

<rsbm>

I'm not yet convinced they are not one and the same. As you say, 'our' JB has a relative who works at NEB (iirc, long term). The Government of Canada website shows a JB as a contract "temporary help services" position Nov 16 2013 to March 31 2014 at a salary of $19,000. It then shows a JB as a contract "temporary help services" position April 1 2015 to June 30 2014 at a salary of $5,000.

IMO, wouldn't be out of the ordinary for someone to be self-employed in building demo while doing contract work for the government. Also not unusual for someone to show their public school education in one type of social media, and elsewhere show only their more recent post-secondary education.

Upthread someone made mention of JB's nine to five ... I don't necessarily interpret that to mean his specific hours. Many people use that phrase simply to indicate "my regular job".

Not saying they are the same person, but not discounting it for now.

Agreed. Will keep looking...

One school is the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology, the other Mount Royal U. Both post-secondary. Think he did both?

 

[Sillybilly]

Agreed. Will keep looking...

One school is the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology, the other Mount Royal U. Both post-secondary. Think he did both?

Can't remember which social media page it was on, but did it specify university? I could be wrong (thought it just said "Mount Royal" which is also just public school). Regardless, it is possible he could have done stints at both universities.

 

[Sillybilly]

Whether it's the same JB or not, I find the contract job listing a tch curious ... the first 3.5 months at $19,000 averages $5428/month; the subsequent contract for 2 full months at $5,000 averages only $2500/month. Somehow (IMO), this doesn't equate to the salary of a management position.

I note on the government surplus Xerox bid, it specified an LF as the 'sales rep' but viewing and pick-up was to be arranged with a JB. Doesn't take much say "hi, here's the Xerox" and "thanks for picking up", so just not sure the job that particular JB has is as high-level as indicated.

The Alberta government directory has no listing for a JB, but does for the sales rep LF.

http://geds-sage.gc.ca/en/GEDS?pgid=014&dn=ou=NEB-ONE, o=GC, c=CA

FWIW, I once had a guy tell me he was "maintenance manager" for an organization. Looks good on a resume, but in reality the guy was a janitor, not in management. Just sayin'

 

[Sillybilly]

Mount Royal University shows up on his FB page. It's definitely possible he did both---would be helpful to see the full LinkedIn profile...

When I type the name into the FB search, it comes up with the thumbprint profile photo and "Mount Royal University" underneath. When I actually click on the thumbprint and go to the actual page though, I'm not seeing it anywhere. :waitasec:

 

[evafiore]

Whether it's the same JB or not, I find the contract job listing a tch curious ... the first 3.5 months at $19,000 averages $5428/month; the subsequent contract for 2 full months at $5,000 averages only $2500/month. Somehow (IMO), this doesn't equate to the salary of a management position.

I note on the government surplus Xerox bid, it specified an LF as the 'sales rep' but viewing and pick-up was to be arranged with a JB. Doesn't take much say "hi, here's the Xerox" and "thanks for picking up", so just not sure the job that particular JB has is as high-level as indicated.

The Alberta government directory has no listing for a JB, but does for the sales rep LF.

http://geds-sage.gc.ca/en/GEDS?pgid=014&dn=ou=NEB-ONE, o=GC, c=CA

FWIW, I once had a guy tell me he was "maintenance manager" for an organization. Looks good on a resume, but in reality the guy was a janitor, not in management. Just sayin'

JB or not, looks like something's been embellished.

I searched for Burgess on this page and found a JB: Material Management Coordinator

If they are the same JB, maybe he figured wrecking buildings would impress the ladies more than managing used office equipment?

 

[evafiore]

When I type the name into the FB search, it comes up with the thumbprint profile photo and "Mount Royal University" underneath. When I actually click on the thumbprint and go to the actual page though, I'm not seeing it anywhere. :waitasec:

Same here, not sure why it's doing that...something with privacy settings, I'm guessing.

 

[LoisLane]

Thank-you sillbilly and eviafiore for sleuthing and presenting.

I think it very well could be JB in every situation discribed upthread. I know various people who have MRC (now MRU) listed as part of their education. Some were only taking brush-up courses in various areas and did so in a short time period. It doesn't necessarily mean a person did a long-term committment to these colleges and could be easily incorporated into a life of part-time and full-time jobs. Just because I took a marketing course at BCIT doesn't mean I have a marketing degree but I could easily say in my education that I attended a College and some may interpret that I have a degree and did long-term studies when in actuality I took a course and it never really ammounted to much, but I can still say I attended BCIT.

 

[evafiore]

Thank-you sillbilly and eviafiore for sleuthing and presenting.

I think it very well could be JB in every situation discribed upthread. I know various people who have MRC (now MRU) listed as part of their education. Some were only taking brush-up courses in various areas and did so in a short time period. It doesn't necessarily mean a person did a long-term committment to these colleges and could be easily incorporated into a life of part-time and full-time jobs. Just because I took a marketing course at BCIT doesn't mean I have a marketing degree but I could easily say in my education that I attended a College and some may interpret that I have a degree and did long-term studies when in actuality I took a course and it never really ammounted to much, but I can still say I attended BCIT.

Definitely possible. Wish we could be 100% sure though.