Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[otto]

I think it is entirely possible for the husband to have been the one who last saw her at the home and it was him who left the home at around 12:30 a.m. and that he may have been staying elsewhere for an extended period of time. Police are going by the last time she was seen at the home, obviously she left because she was not there and the time stamp is 12:30 a.m. because of a supposed reliable source. It is very possible JB was living elsewhere at the time and he never returned to the home after 12:30 a.m. IIRC he was referred to as being "estranged" by either the media or in the presser. The time is documented as Shannon last being seen at 12:30 a.m.

IMO, I think the dog died in the weeks leading up to the disappearance or JB would have had the dog in his care and that they "split-custody". I think JB was just as possesive over the dog as Shannon would have been and unless they surrendered him; someone else was caring for him; or the dog has died; then the dog would have been left unattended in the residence, if that was the case I feel the police and especially the family would have put out a more urgent appeal for her to be found and may have stated that her safety was in jeopardy and that it was not like her to leave the dog uncared for. They did not. For some reason I think the dog is a non-issue. JMOO.

BBM

I don't understand the "supposedly reliable source" regarding Shannon not being seen at home at 12:30AM. What reliable source is contradicting police?

"Shannon Burgess, 25, was last seen about 12:30 a.m. Nov. 27 at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. in southeast Calgary."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...nto-and-vancouver-in-search-for-missing-woman

The husband was living at home. I posted the link yesterday where it is clearly stated that the couple "shared" a home. That means that it is not possible that he was living somewhere else.

It makes sense that the dog was at home when Shannon was at home on Nov 27. Shannon left, and the dog is probably still at home with Shannon's husband.

 

[otto]

Whether it's the same JB or not, I find the contract job listing a tch curious ... the first 3.5 months at $19,000 averages $5428/month; the subsequent contract for 2 full months at $5,000 averages only $2500/month. Somehow (IMO), this doesn't equate to the salary of a management position.

I note on the government surplus Xerox bid, it specified an LF as the 'sales rep' but viewing and pick-up was to be arranged with a JB. Doesn't take much say "hi, here's the Xerox" and "thanks for picking up", so just not sure the job that particular JB has is as high-level as indicated.

The Alberta government directory has no listing for a JB, but does for the sales rep LF.

http://geds-sage.gc.ca/en/GEDS?pgid=014&dn=ou=NEB-ONE, o=GC, c=CA

FWIW, I once had a guy tell me he was "maintenance manager" for an organization. Looks good on a resume, but in reality the guy was a janitor, not in management. Just sayin'

Have you checked the LinkedIn page?

The National Energy Board is Government of Canada.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

BBM

I don't understand the "supposedly reliable source" regarding Shannon not being seen at home at 12:30AM. What reliable source is contradicting police?

"Shannon Burgess, 25, was last seen about 12:30 a.m. Nov. 27 at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. in southeast Calgary."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...nto-and-vancouver-in-search-for-missing-woman

The husband was living at home. I posted the link yesterday where it is clearly stated that the couple "shared" a home. That means that it is not possible that he was living somewhere else.

It makes sense that the dog was at home when Shannon was at home on Nov 27. Shannon left, and the dog is probably still at home with Shannon's husband.

I think, obviously, the last person to see a victim is usually the perp. Should there be any foul play in relation to her disappearance, the 12:30 sighting by a family member immediately becomes suspect.

Reliable until proven otherwise... not reliable beyond all doubt.

 

[LoisLane]

BBM

I don't understand the "supposedly reliable source" regarding Shannon not being seen at home at 12:30AM. What reliable source is contradicting police?

"Shannon Burgess, 25, was last seen about 12:30 a.m. Nov. 27 at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. in southeast Calgary."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...nto-and-vancouver-in-search-for-missing-woman

The husband was living at home. I posted the link yesterday where it is clearly stated that the couple "shared" a home. That means that it is not possible that he was living somewhere else.

It makes sense that the dog was at home when Shannon was at home on Nov 27. Shannon left, and the dog is probably still at home with Shannon's husband.

If JB murdered SB and he was also the last one to see her and in the next while police are able to lay charges against him, I would think the source of the time frame is no longer deemed "reliable".

It happened with a recent case in Calgary.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...kept-in-home-for-2-years-police-say-1.2863151

Also, it is completely possible the husband and wife were taking turns at the house as they were in the process of separating. Them sharing a home is a technicality whether it is paperwork or circumstances the investigators were not willing to divulge. IMO.

 

[otto]

Can't remember which social media page it was on, but did it specify university? I could be wrong (thought it just said "Mount Royal" which is also just public school). Regardless, it is possible he could have done stints at both universities.

SAIT is a Polytechnic. Mount Royal College became a university in 2009. The University of Calgary is nearly 50 years old - the oldest university in the city. SAIT was traditionally for 2 year training in the trades, MRC was for 2 year diplomas, and UC was for 4 year degrees. Today, much of that has been blurred with both SAIT and MRU preferring to grant degrees; wanting University status. As is pointed out elsewhere in the thread, many people with diplomas from MRC now claim to have degrees from MRU ... but it ain't so ... however, SAIT has transfer programs to both MRU and UC ... 2 years at SAIT (with the correct GPA) and 2 years at University = a degree.

 

[otto]

If the couple was living separate and apart, it would not be reported that they were sharing a home. It would be stated that one of them was living elsewhere. Home is defined by where someone sleeps, not where they store their clothes.

What's the issue with attempting to change the facts such that Shannon was at home alone when she vanished, rather than her husband last saw her at home at 12:30, and after that she vanished? Assuming she left, how is it important whether the husband was asleep in his bedroom when she left, or whether he was at the bar when she left? What difference does it make to the circumstances of her disappearance?

Obviously, if the husband was somewhere else when she vanished, then he is cleared of involvement in her disappearance.

However, I don't think that's the case. He's "cooperative", not "cleared". I don't think he's cleared of involvement in her disappearance simply because they shared a home, and they were both at home when she was last seen. No one on the face of the earth saw her walk out of her home. She was last seen at home ... and then poof. Gone. We haven't even heard of surveillance video of her leaving the building ... which is in itself very unusual for a missing person's case. If she left, and there was video surveillance, police would have released those last images of her with the hopes of triggering someone's memory of seeing her.

On the surface, discussion about the husband being out at the time that Shannon vanished from her own home seems designed to exclude the husband. Why is there such an effort to exclude the husband?

 

[deugirtni]

Do you have a link? I'm getting a bit lost.

The rest is not in reply to anyone in particular.

Also, can someone point me to the JB FB page that is being referred to that has the education different than the linkedin? I see his one FB page lists university, while the linkedin lists college. Both of those, in my humble opinion, are suitable educational backgrounds to qualify for a position like the one listed on the linkedin page. It is possible he went to college first and completed a program.. and then decided to do some more recent upgrading with part-time university, so that he could enhance his chances of getting into the field he wants?

Who is the close relative who is also employed at NEC? If that is true, then it makes even *more* sense that it is the correct linkedin profile, since that relative probably helped him get that foot in the door.

Lastly, I know, sincerely, in my heart, that appearances mean nothing. But seriously? JB looks SO unlike what I would expect to see doing demolition. And why go to university to become a demo doer?

PS I am getting so danged old that I'm having such a hard time remembering all these acronyms.. rsbm.. iirc.. ugh! Can someibe please help? TY!

<rsbm>

I'm not yet convinced they are not one and the same. As you say, 'our' JB has a relative who works at NEB (iirc, long term). The Government of Canada website shows a JB as a contract "temporary help services" position Nov 16 2013 to March 31 2014 at a salary of $19,000. It then shows a JB as a contract "temporary help services" position April 1 2015 to June 30 2014 at a salary of $5,000.

IMO, wouldn't be out of the ordinary for someone to be self-employed in building demo while doing contract work for the government. Also not unusual for someone to show their public school education in one type of social media, and elsewhere show only their more recent post-secondary education.

Upthread someone made mention of JB's nine to five ... I don't necessarily interpret that to mean his specific hours. Many people use that phrase simply to indicate "my regular job".

Not saying they are the same person, but not discounting it for now.

 

[news.talk]

BBM

I don't understand the "supposedly reliable source" regarding Shannon not being seen at home at 12:30AM. What reliable source is contradicting police?

"Shannon Burgess, 25, was last seen about 12:30 a.m. Nov. 27 at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. in southeast Calgary."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...nto-and-vancouver-in-search-for-missing-woman

The husband was living at home. I posted the link yesterday where it is clearly stated that the couple "shared" a home. That means that it is not possible that he was living somewhere else.

It makes sense that the dog was at home when Shannon was at home on Nov 27. Shannon left, and the dog is probably still at home with Shannon's husband.

One can "share" a home and still live separately. They were going through a divorce - Perhaps they are both listed on the lease and both contribute to the rent, but at any time, one can be staying elsewhere, even if it was short term. Just because it says they "share" a home, does not necessarily mean they both live there. Given their relationship troubles, their lifestyle choices and the fact he wasn't the one who was openly publicly concerned, there is just as much possibility that they were living apart. Just because he stated that he last saw her at the residence, is not proof he was staying there at the time.

 

[news.talk]

Do you have a link? I'm getting a bit lost.

The rest is not in reply to anyone in particular.

Also, can someone point me to the JB FB page that is being referred to that has the education different than the linkedin? I see his one FB page lists university, while the linkedin lists college. Both of those, in my humble opinion, are suitable educational backgrounds to qualify for a position like the one listed on the linkedin page. It is possible he went to college first and completed a program.. and then decided to do some more recent upgrading with part-time university, so that he could enhance his chances of getting into the field he wants?

Who is the close relative who is also employed at NEC? If that is true, then it makes even *more* sense that it is the correct linkedin profile, since that relative probably helped him get that foot in the door.

Lastly, I know, sincerely, in my heart, that appearances mean nothing. But seriously? JB looks SO unlike what I would expect to see doing demolition. And why go to university to become a demo doer?

PS I am getting so danged old that I'm having such a hard time remembering all these acronyms.. rsbm.. iirc.. ugh! Can someibe please help? TY!

If you look at the LinkedIn profile, Shannon is listed as one of the contacts. My bet is that it is the right profile.

 

[news.talk]

We have to remember that when we are considering family statements about their loved one's relationship with the husband, that even close family members don't know what goes on behind closed doors. SB'S sister may think they had a good relationship because that is all she was told. Often we try and put on a good face to our relative's and the last thing we share are what goes on in the bedroom and especially when there is trouble. Maybe her family were happy that she settled down and she was too embarrassed to reveal any difficulty. My own brother thinks he is the authority on my relationships and always took my ex's side. Even though we are close, he would be the LAST person I would tell the problems too.

If this is the case with SB, it is possible that the family took the husband's word because he is a psychopath that easily charms others, while SB lived in fear.

Maybe she *did* leave out of fear and because she couldn't even trust her family to take her side. Maybe, something violent happened that night and he has convinced everyone that SB just left and that she has done something wrong.

The point I am trying to make is, NO ONE knows what goes on in a marriage, especially when it is abusive.

 

[news.talk]

If the couple was living separate and apart, it would not be reported that they were sharing a home. It would be stated that one of them was living elsewhere. Home is defined by where someone sleeps, not where they store their clothes.

What's the issue with attempting to change the facts such that Shannon was at home alone when she vanished, rather than her husband last saw her at home at 12:30, and after that she vanished? Assuming she left, how is it important whether the husband was asleep in his bedroom when she left, or whether he was at the bar when she left? What difference does it make to the circumstances of her disappearance?

Obviously, if the husband was somewhere else when she vanished, then he is cleared of involvement in her disappearance.

However, I don't think that's the case. He's "cooperative", not "cleared". I don't think he's cleared of involvement in her disappearance simply because they shared a home, and they were both at home when she was last seen. No one on the face of the earth saw her walk out of her home. She was last seen at home ... and then poof. Gone. We haven't even heard of surveillance video of her leaving the building ... which is in itself very unusual for a missing person's case. If she left, and there was video surveillance, police would have released those last images of her with the hopes of triggering someone's memory of seeing her.

On the surface, discussion about the husband being out at the time that Shannon vanished from her own home seems designed to exclude the husband. Why is there such an effort to exclude the husband?

I think the point that some are trying to make is, that LE only have the husband's word as to when she was last seen. They also lived a fairly non-traditional lifestyle, and therefore we cannot rule out the possibility that they weren't both actively living there at the time. If they had an open relationship like their dating profiles suggest, it is very possible that they both *legally* shared a residence, but did not always stay there together.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Was the 'demolition' job only listed on JB's OKCupid profile? Sorry a bit rusty and don't have the link to JB's anymore. If I was making a profile for that type of site, I sure wouldn't be putting too much detailed career info or my company name on my profile, and I think most people keep that info private until they meet someone they want to share that with. Their profiles sound more like hook-ups as opposed to relationship seeking, so they might've kept such info vague.

 

[Sillybilly]

Have you checked the LinkedIn page?

The National Energy Board is Government of Canada.

Yes, I knew that and it actually was the Government of Canada directory I linked to (sorry, I said Alberta government, but I kinda meant there was nothing in the federal government directory for a JB in Alberta). I must have been having a seniors moment

 

[Sillybilly]

If you look at the LinkedIn profile, Shannon is listed as one of the contacts. My bet is that it is the right profile.

The names you are seeing on the right-hand side of the page are not JB's contacts, but are profiles also viewed by people viewing JB .

 

[Sillybilly]

Do you have a link? I'm getting a bit lost.

The rest is not in reply to anyone in particular.

Also, can someone point me to the JB FB page that is being referred to that has the education different than the linkedin? I see his one FB page lists university, while the linkedin lists college. Both of those, in my humble opinion, are suitable educational backgrounds to qualify for a position like the one listed on the linkedin page. It is possible he went to college first and completed a program.. and then decided to do some more recent upgrading with part-time university, so that he could enhance his chances of getting into the field he wants?

Who is the close relative who is also employed at NEC? If that is true, then it makes even *more* sense that it is the correct linkedin profile, since that relative probably helped him get that foot in the door.

Lastly, I know, sincerely, in my heart, that appearances mean nothing. But seriously? JB looks SO unlike what I would expect to see doing demolition. And why go to university to become a demo doer?

PS I am getting so danged old that I'm having such a hard time remembering all these acronyms.. rsbm.. iirc.. ugh! Can someibe please help? TY!

Not sure what you are wanting a link to.

I don't think he would have been going to university to become a demolition guy .. other way around perhaps. Demolition guy taking courses for career advancement.

We live in a world of acronyms deugirtni ... ugh = u go honey ? (jk)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?193885-Websleuths-Lingo

A new member once put "gth" at the bottom of their post. We all thought it meant "go to hell" when they really meant "glad to help".

hth

 

[Leischa]

Lastly, I know, sincerely, in my heart, that appearances mean nothing. But seriously? JB looks SO unlike what I would expect to see doing demolition. And why go to university to become a demo doer?

I agree with you! He doesn't look the least bit like someone who works in the demo field. Unless he's, maybe the one who deals with explosives (there must be someone who is technically qualified to calculate how much explosive "product" is needed to make it safe and effective)...? This is the only way I can picture him working in that field. Maybe this could explain why he attended university.

 

[Sillybilly]

We have to remember that when we are considering family statements about their loved one's relationship with the husband, that even close family members don't know what goes on behind closed doors. SB'S sister may think they had a good relationship because that is all she was told ...

<rsbm>

I've considered that the family presser may have been somewhat scripted in conjunction with LE.

 

[Sillybilly]

I agree with you! He doesn't look the least bit like someone who works in the demo field. Unless he's, maybe the one who deals with explosives (there must be someone who is technically qualified to calculate how much explosive "product" is needed to make it safe and effective)...? This is the only way I can picture him working in that field. Maybe this could explain why he attended university.

I think that type of expertise takes a lot of highly specialized training. Tried googling it but my computer was slowing down drastically, so thought better of it. Powers that be don't like those words flitting across the airwaves these days. (I thought they'd be used to me by now.)

 

[Leischa]

We have to remember that when we are considering family statements about their loved one's relationship with the husband, that even close family members don't know what goes on behind closed doors. SB'S sister may think they had a good relationship because that is all she was told. Often we try and put on a good face to our relative's and the last thing we share are what goes on in the bedroom and especially when there is trouble. Maybe her family were happy that she settled down and she was too embarrassed to reveal any difficulty. My own brother thinks he is the authority on my relationships and always took my ex's side. Even though we are close, he would be the LAST person I would tell the problems too.

If this is the case with SB, it is possible that the family took the husband's word because he is a psychopath that easily charms others, while SB lived in fear.

Maybe she *did* leave out of fear and because she couldn't even trust her family to take her side. Maybe, something violent happened that night and he has convinced everyone that SB just left and that she has done something wrong.

The point I am trying to make is, NO ONE knows what goes on in a marriage, especially when it is abusive.

You made a very good point. If she was in an abusive relationship, maybe she never told her family about it, so they wouldn't know. I know a couple of psychopaths and believe me, they can make you believe whatever they want you to believe. Especially when you don't have a reason to doubt them in the first place. Like, if he was abusive, and Shannon never confided in her siblings or parents, and then after she mysteriously disappears he reacts like he's really concerned about her and all, why would SB's family see him as a suspect? People usually trust others by default, until they have a reason to do otherwise.

Also, about the open relationship between SB and JB, her family probably didn't even know about it in the first place. Maybe they learned it through LE, and that is IF LE did enough search work online to find out about it. Or if JB told them, or maybe a friend of SB. A lot of people keep these types of ''details'' about their relationships secret, at least from their families because they fear they'll be judged. And the same fear applies to the abusive relationship thing as well.

 

[LoisLane]

I agree with you! He doesn't look the least bit like someone who works in the demo field. Unless he's, maybe the one who deals with explosives (there must be someone who is technically qualified to calculate how much explosive "product" is needed to make it safe and effective)...? This is the only way I can picture him working in that field. Maybe this could explain why he attended university.

Here is the definition on Wikipedia for "demolition". It also includes "deconstruction".

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition
"Demolition is the tearing-down of buildings and other structures. Demolition contrasts with deconstruction, which involves taking a building apart while carefully preserving valuable elements for re-use."

I think the job at NEB (Disassembling and moving offices, equipment and boardrooms) would qualify as deconstruction with just a slight exaggeration by JB and assumptions by those looking for their Cupid.