Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

Well yes, but dont' forget that the words came out of a member of Shannon's family's mouth, as opposed to out of law enforcement wording. The way I read that, if it is even true, because we really can't trust media, imho, to print exactly what the facts are, was that she could be distressed which is why she 'left'.. but that would pretty much have to be according to JB's opinion, since he last saw her, which is another thing to take with a grain of salt, imho. It goes without saying that a person missing in unusual circumstances may be in distress, may even be dead.. the way it was portrayed in the newspaper, it was in the same sentence with the indication of 'messy divorce'. I read between the lines, rightly or wrongly, to think that perhaps it could mean that JB reported some kind of messy divorce type of news, and perhaps is telling LE that could be why she 'left'.. to make it appear that she left on her own accord. Interpretation again.

Thanks for the link.

I think there's a mistake in the interpretation. Use of the word "distress" seems to be used to describe people that are missing, not to explain why they are missing. Shannon is missing and may be in distress. That what the statement says. If someone locates her, she may be in distress.

Missing people may be in distress due to the fact that a traumatic event resulted in their disappearance. If they are found, they are most likely in distress.

Similarly, in the second case, the medical distress did not cause the disappearance, it is a result of the event that caused the disappearance.

"For the social butterfly, the disappearing act is unheard of and her colleagues, families and friends are worried.

She skipped her weekend rehearsals and engagements, and was last seen in her Inglewood apartment on Wednesday. Burgess is undergoing a messy divorce, and her sister Erin Madill said Burgess may be in distress."

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/12...o-family-said-its-not-like-her-to-dissappear/

"Police described the couples' disappearance as a homicide, and said the amount of blood found in the Liknes's house suggested at least one person would have been in medical distress because of a violent crime."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...s-to-alvin-kathy-liknes-at-memorial-1.2779924


the disappearance may cause distress
distress did not cause the disappearance

 

[news.talk]

Well yes, but dont' forget that the words came out of a member of Shannon's family's mouth, as opposed to out of law enforcement wording. The way I read that, if it is even true, because we really can't trust media, imho, to print exactly what the facts are, was that she could be distressed which is why she 'left'.. but that would pretty much have to be according to JB's opinion, since he last saw her, which is another thing to take with a grain of salt, imho. It goes without saying that a person missing in unusual circumstances may be in distress, may even be dead.. the way it was portrayed in the newspaper, it was in the same sentence with the indication of 'messy divorce'. I read between the lines, rightly or wrongly, to think that perhaps it could mean that JB reported some kind of messy divorce type of news, and perhaps is telling LE that could be why she 'left'.. to make it appear that she left on her own accord. Interpretation again.

I get the feeling that JB has really snowed Shannon's family. It is not uncommon for family to trust and support partners that turn out to be responsible for the loved one's death. They charm, lie and convince the family of facts that are contrary to what they know of their loved one. I worry that SB'S family are not being objective.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

The main thing that stands out to me is that we don't see any public pleas since early December from the Family. This leads me to believe that either LE or they themselves feel they know what happened or what is likely, and are being very private about it. However, she is still listed as missing, so that makes me believe there are some clues to where she is, or what could have happened, but no contact, or definite answer. There is something we do not know, I just don't know what it is.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Thanks for the link.

I think there's a mistake in the interpretation. Use of the word "distress" seems to be used to describe people that are missing, not to explain why they are missing. Shannon is missing and may be in distress. That what the statement says. If someone locates her, she may be in distress.

Missing people may be in distress due to the fact that a traumatic event resulted in their disappearance. If they are found, they are most likely in distress.

Similarly, in the second case, the "medical distress" did not cause the disappearance, it is a result of the event that caused the disappearance.

"For the social butterfly, the disappearing act is unheard of and her colleagues, families and friends are worried.

She skipped her weekend rehearsals and engagements, and was last seen in her Inglewood apartment on Wednesday. Burgess is undergoing a messy divorce, and her sister Erin Madill said Burgess may be in distress."

http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/12...o-family-said-its-not-like-her-to-dissappear/

"Police described the couples' disappearance as a homicide, and said the amount of blood found in the Liknes's house suggested at least one person would have been in medical distress because of a violent crime."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...s-to-alvin-kathy-liknes-at-memorial-1.2779924


the disappearance may cause distress
distress did not cause the disappearance

You'll notice the word "distress" is not in quotes, and the description is included in the same sentence referring to the divorce.

Most likely, this is a paraphrasing by the reporter when told by the sister SB is going through a divorce, and is stressed because of it.

The Likness-O'brien case's description of "medical distress" was based on blood evidence found at the scene.

Obviously, you cannot use the two reports as comparison of anything, and I can assure you... many, many, many disappearances are caused because someone is in "distress".

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I get the feeling that JB has really snowed Shannon's family. It is not uncommon for family to trust and support partners that turn out to be responsible for the loved one's death. They charm, lie and convince the family of facts that are contrary to what they know of their loved one. I worry that SB'S family are not being objective.

It is a tough, tough call... we don't know SB didn't sneak out the door for "funsies" 5 minutes after JB last saw her. All phones have a "find my phone" feature that anyone with your account password can log into... there may be good reasons why the wallet and keys are gone, but the phone was left behind.

Someone with a dramatic flare may also have hoped for a dramatic disappearance and mystery. Oh my brakes went... Oh I'll miss the man who may or may not have knocked me up...

JB could just be the poor sap that got involved with the wrong woman. It happens... oh boy does it happen...

 

[lynck]

Wonder if he changed the locks?

 

[news.talk]

Wonder if he changed the locks?

Well, we know he is trolling for dates. [emoji127]

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Well, we know he is trolling for dates. [emoji127]

If it was him that disappeared under similar circumstances, would she be trolling for dates or moving on from what was probably a loveless relationship?

 

[news.talk]

If it was him that disappeared under similar circumstances, would she be trolling for dates or moving on from what was probably a loveless relationship?

Considering they BOTH dated others *while* married, it shouldn't be surprising.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Considering they BOTH dated others *while* married, it shouldn't be surprising.

Are you trolling for consensus?

 

[evafiore]

Are you trolling for consensus?

If so, make sure it's consensual.

 

[news.talk]

Are you trolling for consensus?

I have no issue with their life choices in regards to an open marriage. I was not one to commit at that age either. If it makes them happy... More power to them!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

If so, make sure it's consensual.

Safe words are for pretenders.

My issue was with the word "trolling". Again, I am loathe to defend anyone, but it is plausible he is the victim of a "vibrant", "social butterfly" that lives the lifestyle.

One can live "off the grid" for quite some time in the bigger cities if you're young, attractive, and work for cash.

Just as unsurprising as it would be for her remains to be found just outside of town, it would also be unsurprising if she suddenly knocked on her family's door next week looking for a place to stay.

 

[news.talk]

Safe words are for pretenders.

My issue was with the word "trolling". Again, I am loathe to defend anyone, but it is plausible he is the victim of a "vibrant", "social butterfly" that lives the lifestyle.

One can live "off the grid" for quite some time in the bigger cities if you're young, attractive, and work for cash.

Just as unsurprising as it would be for her remains to be found just outside of town, it would also be unsurprising if she suddenly knocked on her family's door next week looking for a place to stay.

I have often wondered if SB ever read Gone Girl which inspired a similar idea. One would have to be pretty messed up mentally to attempt such a thing, but it isn't beyond possibility. It was a highly read book and popular movie prior to her disappearance. One never knows... Women can do some pretty calculating and sadistic things when they are jilted.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I have often wondered if SB ever read Gone Girl which inspired a similar idea. One would have to be pretty messed up mentally to attempt such a thing, but it isn't beyond possibility. It was a highly read book and popular movie prior to her disappearance. One never knows... Women can do some pretty calculating and sadistic things when they are jilted.

Just when I thought I was down off my man bashing soapbox, they keep pulling me back on...

Does she have to be jilted? Can she not just be tempted to leave Calgary for the promise of love, lifestyle and fun with a perceived manlier man than the other bloke left behind?

 

[evafiore]

I have often wondered if SB ever read Gone Girl which inspired a similar idea. One would have to be pretty messed up mentally to attempt such a thing, but it isn't beyond possibility. It was a highly read book and popular movie prior to her disappearance. One never knows... Women can do some pretty calculating and sadistic things when they are jilted.

Must admit Gone Girl's come to mind a few times...

 

[news.talk]

Just when I thought I was down off my man bashing soapbox, they keep pulling me back on...

Does she have to be jilted? Can she not just be tempted to leave Calgary for the promise of love, lifestyle and fun with a manlier man than the nerdy bloke left behind?

All appearances lead to the fact that he was the one into open relationships and brought her into the fray. If one is not stable mentally, and has jealous tendencies, it could lead to problems. That is all I was saying... Just one more possible scenario. That does not mean your scenario is also not possible. Two separate possibilities. Could it be you are projecting? [emoji6]

Of course she could be a flake and decided to up and leave her life, but possible doesn't mean probable... In order to achieve that level of off-the-grid living, one would need a source of income, people willing to keep her secret, and a change in appearance given that her case has been in the news accross the country. She would have to be willing to leave every single family member and her friends behind, which by all accounts doesn't seem likely... She would also have to be a pretty cruel or troubled person - either drugs or serious mental health issues. It is just not that easy in this day and age to go that far off the grid.

 

[evafiore]

All appearances lead to the fact that he was the one into open relationships and brought her into the fray. If one is not stable mentally, and has jealous tendencies, it could lead to problems. That is all I was saying... Just one more possible scenario. That does not mean your scenario is also not possible. Two separate possibilities. Could it be you are projecting? [emoji6]

Of course she could be a flake and decided to up and leave her life, but possible doesn't mean probable... In order to achieve that level of off-the-grid living, one would need a source of income, people willing to keep her secret, and a change in appearance given that her case has been in the news accross the country. She would have to be willing to leave every single family member and her friends behind, which by all accounts doesn't seem likely... She would also have to be a pretty cruel or troubled person - either drugs or serious mental health issues. It is just not that easy in this day and age to go that far off the grid.

It's not easy to stay off the grid...but deciding to do it is easy. And the first few days wouldn't be difficult, unless she ran into bad luck.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

All appearances lead to the fact that he was the one into open relationships and brought her into the fray. If one is not stable mentally, and has jealous tendencies, it could lead to problems. That is all I was saying... Just one more possible scenario. That does not mean your scenario is also not possible. Two separate possibilities. Could it be you are projecting? [emoji6]

Of course she could be a flake and decided to up and leave her life, but possible doesn't mean probable... In order to achieve that level of off-the-grid living, one would need a source of income, people willing to keep her secret, and a change in appearance given that her case has been in the news accross the country. She would have to be willing to leave every single family member and her friends behind, which by all accounts doesn't seem likely... She would also have to be a pretty cruel or troubled person - either drugs or serious mental health issues. It is just not that easy in this day and age to go that far off the grid.

I have never been jilted, but understand fully the rush to judgment from third parties based solely on gender.

The typical "male" introducing the lifestyle to the partner is usually as a couple, not as individuals on sites. If there is an element of control, it is 'probable' that you would see a couples ad, and no trolling for individuals from her alone.

 

[deugirtni]

I guess this really has nothing at all to do with your post, but I find it incredible, the transformation that took place in SB's husband in what seems to be a short period of time. IF her husband is who she is referring to in her Reddit post.. it seems that JB may be somewhat of a kind of solid, steady type of person.. having had a 5 year relationship.. having stuck it out through perhaps at least some college and university (assuming we have the correct LinkedIn profile), and having what appears to be a normal-ish kind of day-job with the government... perhaps a steady income.. who knows if he was already living there when he met SB.. but perhaps a steady home too? And yet this 'marriage' only lasted half a year approx?

I used to view JB in a different way.. but I guess something(s) along the way changed my mind about him.

Considering they had an 'open marriage' that was 'mostly non monogamous', I don't think SB would need to 'sneak' out of the house for funsies, do you? She wouldnt' need to hide it.. and even moreso since they were reportedly getting divorced.

I wonder if the smooth, steady man just kinda cracked.

It is a tough, tough call... we don't know SB didn't sneak out the door for "funsies" 5 minutes after JB last saw her. All phones have a "find my phone" feature that anyone with your account password can log into... there may be good reasons why the wallet and keys are gone, but the phone was left behind.

Someone with a dramatic flare may also have hoped for a dramatic disappearance and mystery. Oh my brakes went... Oh I'll miss the man who may or may not have knocked me up...

JB could just be the poor sap that got involved with the wrong woman. It happens... oh boy does it happen...