Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

Yes, and I find that many young people whose lives end up being in turmoil, such as a separation/divorce.. end up landing at their mom's or parents' places, and many of these parents seem to accept this with open arms.

Again... what I am saying, is that just because that is what you believe, doesn't make it true. When I was in my twenties, NO ONE I knew went to bed early on weeknights, no matter what time we had to get up.

ETA - If the relationship was recently in seperation, then yes... Short term crashing is very likely while they figured out what to do long term. Maybe they were like many twenty year olds in a relationship, and were apart then together, then apart again, then with someone else, and back home again. Many, many variables.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't think that either scenario (whether JB actually lived everyday at the couple's 'shared home', or whether he was staying elsewhere) eliminates him as a suspect at all. The fact remains that no matter which theory one may believe, he states himself that he was present AT the shared home at 12;30am on November 27th, and this was the last time she was seen alive. He could have lived there, or somewhere else, or left after 12;30am and then returned at 12;35am. MOO

.... In most cases I've followed on this forum, people look at the facts to understand the case rather than create hypothetical circumstances that serve to eliminate suspects.

 

[evafiore]

Just to be clear, when I said that JB didn't look the type to be doing that type of work, I was in no way referring to his size or build. I was referring more to his clean-cut-tedness, and other things, like his attire (in pics that I had seen previously on I guess mostly FB), his expression, his writings, .. to me, it isn't a fit. I have no idea on his build or height or anything, but imho, that wouldnt' have a bearing, it is the other things. MOO

Sorry, I wasn't being clear :blushing: I was trying to emphasize the variety of people you get working in demolition. My brother's similar to JB, and he worked with a range of people.

 

[Coldpizza]

Hi guys, has the husband been named a suspect or POI?

If not, you can't sleuth him, we are a victim friendly forum and he's considered a victim at this point.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...iquette-amp-Information&p=8364858#post8364858

 

[tarabull]

Since y'all are discussing him...just an OBSERVATION:

Why hasn't JB spoke out in the media and said 'Shannon please come home'...okay maybe he doesn't want her home. Instead he might say 'Please call your family!' lease: '...We are worried'....okay again, maybe he isn't....Maybe he could say '...They are worried about you, there's concern for your safety PLEASE let them know you are okay!'

:thinking:

 

[evafiore]

Since y'all are discussing him...just an OBSERVATION:

Why hasn't JB spoke out in the media and said 'Shannon please come home'...okay maybe he doesn't want her home. Instead he might say 'Please call your family!' lease: '...We are worried'....okay again, maybe he isn't....Maybe he could say '...They are worried about you, there's concern for your safety PLEASE let them know you are okay!'

:thinking:

I noticed that as well but if you consider that we haven't heard from anyone but her sister, it doesn't really stand out as unusual. SB's parents and brothers haven't spoken out individually either.

 

[PonderingNS]

I find the lack of family involvement strange. If it was my daughter I would be doing everything I could to keep her story in the news. With all the ppl that go missing you have to keep bringing attention to your loved one. Maybe that's just my way of looking at it but I couldn't just sit & wait.

 

[Sillybilly]

I'm sure that people stay up later on the weekends than on a work night. Shannon was last seen on a work night. Even 20 year olds are at home and ready for bed at midnight on a work night.

Divorce is not a "short term" event. No one "crashes" at a friend's home for the 1-2 years it takes to process a divorce.

Ah, but mammas might accommodate gratis for a while.

Regardless of whether JB lived there on a full-time basis or not, by his own admission, he is the last person to have seen Shannon, he was at the residence at the time he last saw her, and possibly was there when she arrived home from Edmonton.

 

[Sillybilly]

In my day, you couldn't live together (thus the term 'separation') while going through divorce. Anyone know what the current laws are regarding cohabitation during divorce proceedings?

 

[evafiore]

Ah, but mammas might accommodate gratis for a while.

Regardless of whether JB lived there on a full-time basis or not, by his own admission, he is the last person to have seen Shannon, he was at the residence at the time Shannon he last saw her, and possibly was there when she arrived home from Edmonton.

Most definitely. And it wouldn't have been anywhere near "crashing" for a year or two yet as they were just married in May '14. Their marriage as of November 2014 had been a short term event, as would have been their divorce when SB disappeared.

 

[evafiore]

In my day, you couldn't live together (thus the term 'separation') while going through divorce. Anyone know what the current laws are regarding cohabitation during divorce proceedings?

Good question and after reading this, I think you're on to something:

In order to file for divorce in Canada you must first complete a full one year separation period...You can begin the application process for divorce the day that you are separate, but the courts will not grant you your divorce until the full year has passed...being separated from your spouse does not always mean that you must be living at separate addresses. Being separated means that you and your spouse must be living separate lives. From the courts perspective living at separate address is the easiest way to prove this. In the event that separate addresses are not possible (due to finances, children, etc.) you may reside at the same address as your spouse, and still be separated. In this type of situation the court will require that the couple prove that while they were dwelling at the same address they no longer lived as a couple. This can be complicated and usually requires legal representation.

It would be in their best interest, legally, to live separate lives and at separate addresses. Crashing with family until the shared living arrangements could be affordably un-shared (e.g., lease completed?) could expedite and/or simplify the divorce process.

 

[OldSteve]

I find the lack of family involvement strange. If it was my daughter I would be doing everything I could to keep her story in the news. With all the ppl that go missing you have to keep bringing attention to your loved one. Maybe that's just my way of looking at it but I couldn't just sit & wait.

Reminds me of Kathleen Haley's case
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?184148-VA-Kathleen-Haley-37-Newport-News-1-Sept-2012
family was quiet there too...

 

[stan laurel]

when did jb and sb join okcupid?

and also maybe - related to the above - they had fwb's set up thru the site which allowed them to be estranged more. and maybe sb's fwb arrangements had the benefit of both a sexual and financial element.

some years back while out and about on errands I made acquaintance with a nice gal, ended up back at her place and didn't go home for a month - save for one hour to pick up my work clothes and a few knick knacks -.

NFOVPOHPL

 

[LisaCougar]

Scoundrel

when did jb and sb join okcupid?

and also maybe - related to the above - they had fwb's set up thru the site which allowed them to be estranged more. and maybe sb's fwb arrangements had the benefit of both a sexual and financial element.

some years back while out and about on errands I made acquaintance with a nice gal, ended up back at her place and didn't go home for a month - save for one hour to pick up my work clothes and a few knick knacks -.

NFOVPOHPL

 

[otto]

We're not trying to eliminate suspects or possibilities without full confidence that we can. Like you, we're trying to read between the lines. I wouldn't eliminate anything unless I was 100% confident that it could be eliminated. I'm not 100% confident that the husband was or wasn't at home for those few days, so I'm not going to eliminate either possibility. You're entitled to your opinion, as are we.

"As we are"?

We are wondering why the husband's job position is relevant to Shannon's disappearance.
We are wondering why we should doubt the report that the couple shared a home.
We know that the time that the husband left their home is relevant, but we don't understand why we are suggesting that Shannon stayed home and the husband left. If that were the case, he would be missing, and she would be at home with the dog.

 

[otto]

In my day, you couldn't live together (thus the term 'separation') while going through divorce. Anyone know what the current laws are regarding cohabitation during divorce proceedings?

If two people own a home, and are both on title, then they can both live at the residence during a divorce until one person buys out the other. There are probably similar rules that apply to a rental. If two people are on the lease, they are both entitled to live at their shared home until the lease is renewed. At the time that the lease is renewed, it may come down to whoever can pay the rent. With the co-op situation, it might be a joint lease that can only be renewed as a joint lease ... but that would depend on the co-op.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

when did jb and sb join okcupid?

and also maybe - related to the above - they had fwb's set up thru the site which allowed them to be estranged more. and maybe sb's fwb arrangements had the benefit of both a sexual and financial element.

some years back while out and about on errands I made acquaintance with a nice gal, ended up back at her place and didn't go home for a month - save for one hour to pick up my work clothes and a few knick knacks -.

NFOVPOHPL

Stan, you stud! Agreed though, when I met my dream guy (at the time) in my mid-20s we stayed up until at least 4am the night we met and were joined at the hip after. He basically was at my house from that day on much to my roommate's dismay, and I don't blame her, 3rd wheel/boyfriend/girlfriend roommates are awful for the one not in a relationship!

BUT again, who would put their family through that. I sure wouldn't and can't see Shannon being so blinded by love (or lust or sex or money or whatever) to do so....JMO

 

[otto]

Shannon is not alive. There is no electronic footprint ... no banking, no social media, no work, no contact with family, no contact with friends ... nothing. She's gone.

She is not at Disneyland.

 

[tarabull]

when did jb and sb join okcupid?

and also maybe - related to the above - they had fwb's set up thru the site which allowed them to be estranged more. and maybe sb's fwb arrangements had the benefit of both a sexual and financial element.

some years back while out and about on errands I made acquaintance with a nice gal, ended up back at her place and didn't go home for a month - save for one hour to pick up my work clothes and a few knick knacks -.

NFOVPOHPL

Were you out in your pink spandex you told us all about??? I bet you were....n't. LOL

:blushing:

I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out what NFOVPOHPL means but it's not in the handbook

 

[Sillybilly]

Were you out in your pink spandex you told us all about??? I bet you were....n't. LOL

:blushing:

I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out what NFOVPOHPL means but it's not in the handbook

It's a Stancronym