Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

That was how I used to feel quite awhile ago. But then other information kind of got in the way.... such as.. that he had a gf for 5 years (if the guy she speaks about on her Reddit post is JB).. how it sounds like he kind of got her involved in the swinging lifestyle thing.. and then their OKC's came to light.. so I came to have a different perception of him, like he was more confident than I suspected, and he obviously had the ability to obtain and keep a girlfriend for a long period of time. SB may be the first long-term, close-up relationship he has had with someone of *her* personality though, whatever that was/is? If she suffered from highs and lows, for example, like bi-polar or something, it may have driven him round the bend? But yes wow, what a transformation, total 180 !!

I've been curious about this as well. Maybe scooping a girl like Shannon boosted his ego and gave him a new confidence. She seems like a supportive, positive type person that might encourage him and he might've gotten inflated. Maybe she gave him some style and cred, kinda like a "first/starter wife" syndrome.

Then maybe once he got some confidence, maybe turned into a bit of a playboy decided he didn't need her anymore so either ended things and she didn't take it well and was in distress or he ended things we here in another unspeakable way.

 

[deugirtni]

She may have wanted the lifestyle... free to come and go.. no commitments.. no worries about the realities of having to actually earn the money to pay for the things she wanted, like the ability to travel back and forth regularly to Edm, each having their own vehicle, pets cost money, wardrobe/gear*(?), memberships in professional associations(?), not to mention a nice place to live away from her parents home? I tell myself everyday how expensive just living has become, and it really has. I imagine it's way worse over there in Calgary too. It's got to be tough for a young person to be supporting themselves with the cost of living out there, just even for rent... and imagine if one had an irregular self-employed career of trying to make it in the acting/entertainment industry? You probably mostly wouldnt' be able to *count* on any kind of regular income to pay those 'regular' bills, and there are so many of them!

I don't get the impression she's a cookie-cutter type wife that wants the stability/the house and picket fence kind of things in life. I don't this is important to her, JMO. She might've liked having someone to lean on so she could pursue acting, but I don't think she craved those things for comfort, a lifestyle or that they defined her. She seems like she'd be happier not being so tied down with all that.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Couple of things:

i) I was thinking that what otto has been saying about the co-op might carry some weight..... I recalled reading some 'Notes' on one of SB's FB personalities just the other night.. like 2 nights ago.. in the notes, she made a few comments about family members. (In hindsight, I should have saved them). One of them was *something like* one of her brothers had become a teacher, which made him appear successful, even though he was still living at home. It was like she was poking fun at him.

There was something about her moving.. it was years ago, like 2010 I think, and she seemed quite proud that she, unlike her brother, would be living on her own.. and it just made me think that living arrangements away from the nest were important to her. Also, in her FB photos, she took a number of photos showing what I believe to be a motel room she and JB had stayed in, which I believe she perceived as not being too shabby. It makes me think that she does care about living accommodations and having a place that looks nice inside.

I went looking for those 'Notes' tonight because I was going to paste part of them, but I can't find her FB Notes anywhere now, not in either of her accounts. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? If so, can you recall where it was that those notes were seen, and can you go and check to see if they are suddenly now gone, or if I am just blind tonight? Thank you!

ii) In regard to the Toronto/Vancouver thing.. I recall reading into it that it was CPS that thought she may have headed there, rather than that she was necessarily sighted there by someone. It was in the wording. To me, it was more like a tip from someone in Calgary:

"Police in Toronto and Vancouver are joining the search for a missing Alberta woman after Calgary police received information that she may be in one of those cities."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/missing-calgary-woman-may-be-in-toronto-or-vancouver-police-say-1.2147586

I just checked her Notes on FB and scrolled all the way down like news.talk said - and yeah, they're not there…nada. Has someone changed her privacy setting or removed her Notes then??

ETA - sorry just read deugirtni's post about her notes not being in Notes section, will take closer look

 

[Lalalacasbah]

That was how I used to feel quite awhile ago. But then other information kind of got in the way.... such as.. that he had a gf for 5 years (if the guy she speaks about on her Reddit post is JB).. how it sounds like he kind of got her involved in the swinging lifestyle thing.. and then their OKC's came to light.. so I came to have a different perception of him, like he was more confident than I suspected, and he obviously had the ability to obtain and keep a girlfriend for a long period of time. SB may be the first long-term, close-up relationship he has had with someone of *her* personality though, whatever that was/is? If she suffered from highs and lows, for example, like bi-polar or something, it may have driven him round the bend? But yes wow, what a transformation, total 180 !!

It's weird, because it's true what you say and I do agree but I have a bit of a different angle about it.... Like….I'm thinking... he had the ex-GF for 5 years and seemed 'stable' but I bet she wasn't into swinging - I have a feeling he was cheating on her online and prowling other girls without her knowing.

I think he could be deviant, deceitful and slimy. I'm thinking he might've been still been the nerdish, introvert that *needed* to pick up chicks online, needed to lie and needed to be a deviant (part of his turn on?) and basically dispose of them after a fling. This shows his lack of confidence and character in a way (to me, if my vibe/theory is right about him).

So he's the nerd-ish guy that gets into sex, kink, or whatever with girls he meets online (because his GF of 5 years wouldn't be into it) and learns really likes it (maybe even gets good at it?). Then Shannon comes along and they 'click' a bit, they click just enough where he can introduce/manipulate her to *his* turn ons, and she's ok with it and then he leaves the GF.

Him and Shannon can go explore this new world together, both consenting but with him manipulating her some. She builds him up, gives him some personality, coolness, then *she* gets attached to his control, then he rids of her when he's done and who knows how she would take this. She might've gotten depressed from rejection or it might've led to a all out brawl of a fight. Just hypothesizing!

 

[evafiore]

Considering certain aspects of their relationship, it's apparent (to me, anyway) that there's a significant degree of thrill-seeking behaviour at play. He leaves long-term girlfriend for her (so at one point, she may have been the other woman), vacation to New Zealand, speedy engagement, open relationship, LARP, and now a messy divorce. I'm thinking that maybe once everything was legal, it lost its thrill and one or both of them needed to move on to their next fix.

I'm not ruling out that SB may have been craving a thrill and set out to disappear on her own, and got into trouble afterwards. It seems she did enjoy taking risks. Or maybe JB was the thrill seeker...

I had a relationship once (in hindsight, a really lousy one, but thankfully only a year) with a classic thrill seeker/drama queen. This guy would pack his bags, post argument, and disappear for days. He was very close to his family, but would not respond to anyone. He'd sit and wait for people to panic, and then finally, answer the phone. It wasn't outside the norm for him to threaten suicide if things weren't going his way. Maybe this is TMI and completely subjective, but I see a lot of similarities between that relationship and SB/JB's. I can only laugh at that relationship now (not saying it's usually a funny situation at all---this was exceptional) but then, it was pretty scary.

 

[deugirtni]

If SB is talking about JB in her red dit post, which I believe she is, based on the fact that it was written only 3 years ago:
-JB and his gf of 5 years were living together (I wonder if they lived in the same co-op unit?)
-SB had started 'hanging out' with a 'group of people' and 'things had kicked off fairly well' - someone in particular caught her eye, but he was living with his gf at the time. The person who had introduced SB into this 'group', told SB that he and his gf wanted to do a 3-some with her, and SB declined. That leads me to believe that she had started attending a swingers group, what do y'all think?
-a few months after SB had joined this 'group', this man (presumably JB) broke up with his gf, and within a few days the two of them (SB and JB presumably), 'hooked up'. SB goes on to say what a great guy he is and how he treats her better than any other guy has ever treated her before. She says he tells her anything she asks about any of his prior relationships. Sounds like things are blissful between the 2 of them.
-the only problem, and the reason for her post, is that the man who intro'd her to the group and his gf, who wanted to have a 3some with SB, have been telling SB to break it off with him (presumably JB), because he has been known in the past to break up with his gf, get another gf, say he's not getting back together with his old gf, and then ends up going back to his old gf, and I guess in their world, this messes things up for them, with their numbers/partners perhaps(?) They tell SB and presumably JB that 'they will be sorry when the group 'brakes' up because of them'.
-SB wonders if she should just tell these people to blow off.
-SB also noted that (presumably) JB was 3 years older than her.
-The two had been 'dating' for 1.5 months at the time of her writing.

I'm not sure from this post whether or not (presumably) JB brings his long-time girlfriend to participate in this 'group' or not? (I would presume so), but in any case, I guess the 'group' likes to have regular attendees, rather than newcomers, or non-attendees. At least that is what I'm getting from her post.

So.. from that, it sounds like JB isn't deceitful, and that he is no more deviant than any of the others in the group, including SB? I'm not sure where you're getting the impression that he was cheating online and prowling?

Since SB has publicly posted that she is 'bi', but JB has posted that he is 'straight', one has to assume that they are into 3somes with 2F + 1M. This is also apparent from one of SB's FB posts about the flowers that JB bought her, and she wondered if he had done something 'wrong', but later discovered he had bought them because the girl selling them was 'cute'. JB replied to SB's post saying something like 'ya, too bad she's not your type'.

So in looking at this reddit post by SB... it does seem that she was into this lifestyle enough to have been brought into this 'group' before she even met JB, and that is where she met him.. so sounds like they were each already involved at the time they met.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

As I was looking for an article irt CPS asking Toronto/Vancouver police to help them locate SB, I came across another article from 2 years ago about a woman who had also vanished.. left her keys, car, cellphone, and wallet behind.. sounded similar, and in fact it seemed to be in an area nearby to SB. The woman's body was found months later (just over 4 months) in Bow River. It was said that the woman had suffered from depression, but her spirits were fine at the time she went missing.

Below are bits taken from various MSM articles. I hope that just because someone might suffer from depression, LE still investigate if they vanish and are subsequently found deceased?? Seems like that could be an easy 'reason' used in too many cases? Interestingly, it is said that this woman lived with her son, he was the one who last saw her, and then he 'left' for the evening and didn't return until next day when he found her missing. Makes you wonder, you know? Or maybe I'm just becoming way too suspicious. Where is Strathcona community (where this woman lived) in relation to Inglewood Golf Course (where her body was found)?

Sandra Mykytiuk-Evans, 56, was last seen at her family home in the community of Strathcona in southwest Calgary on Dec. 29 around 6 p.m. ....
Literally, it’s like this lady has gone, disappeared off the face of the earth,” he said. ....
Brookwell said Mykytiuk-Evans lives with a family member, who went out for the evening on Dec. 29 and came back the next day at around noon. ....
The family member noticed the 56-year-old woman was gone and made some phone calls to relatives and friends. ....
Brookwell said it’s out of character for Mykytiuk-Evans to be gone. ....
A missing persons poster indicated Mykytiuk-Evans suffered from depression and a back condition “but was in good spirits” and that the disappearance is uncharacteristic behaviour.
She had left behind her wallet, keys, cellphone and vehicle. ....
Police said they do not suspect foul play in the case. ....
The 56-year-old was last seen Dec. 29 and numerous searches involving, family, friends, police and even complete strangers turned up few clues. ....
Mykytiuk-Evans’ body was found by a fisherman in the Bow River near the Inglewood Golf Course on Wednesday afternoon. ....
Police were called to the banks of the river near Inglewood around 12:30 p.m. MT on Wednesday after a fisherman spotted the body. ....
A medical examiner identified the body and informed the family Thursday afternoon. ....
Mykytiuk-Evans was known to suffer from depression. Police say the death is not considered suspicious. ....

I am wondering if we will hear similar words in a few months from now about SB. I really hope if that is the case, LE will investigate it more fully, rather than just fluffing it off to depression or some kind of health issue.

Well... the son may have an airtight alibi in that case. Then where do you look?

A history of depression usually means a traceable history... as in records... like medical records from stays in hospitals after suicide attempts or threats.

 

[evafiore]

Well... the son may have an airtight alibi in that case. Then where do you look?

A history of depression usually means a traceable history... as in records... like medical records from stays in hospitals after suicide attempts or threats.

In the press conference, I believe the officer was asked if SB had any medical conditions, and he declined to comment.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I don't get the impression she's a cookie-cutter type wife that wants the stability/the house and picket fence kind of things in life. I don't this is important to her, JMO. She might've liked having someone to lean on so she could pursue acting, but I don't think she craved those things for comfort, a lifestyle or that they defined her. She seems like she'd be happier not being so tied down with all that.

... you mean the type to pick up and go for whatever reason?

 

[deugirtni]

This is what I'm thinking right about now (in addition to what I posted yesterday):

-the 2 hit it off pretty quickly, with husb rushing into a relationship with her within days of ending his long-time relationship with previous girlfriend.. sounds like he may have been back and forth with her a few times around the time leading up to their final break-up;
-they were each involved in the alternate lifestyle before ever meeting one another
-Hubby was already living with his gf...so since it was only maybe 3.5 years ago when he and SB met?, he could very well have already been living in the co-op, and then SB at some point, moved in there with him
-at first SB, even though she was already into acting, had some kind of an office job, whether part-time or full-time, so she would have been contributing to the couple's finances
-perhaps SB became more involved in meeting more people, travelling more often, trying out in more auditions, etc., ie her career was taking off a little more, (at least in activity, but perhaps not necessarily in wages), which perhaps made it increasingly difficult for her to maintain her regular job
-and so perhaps hubs was carrying the bulk of responsibility for the mundane daily-life realities such as bill-paying, feeding pets, looking after car repairs, cleaning, etc. without much financial help from his wife..... even though the associated costs of establishing her career may have been steadily increasing (more travel, etc)
-it sounds like, since perhaps hubby was only part-time, or only on a contract basis, (if that is in fact his LI profile) he wasn't necessarily in a position to foot all the bills, AND have her flitting off here and there on a hope and a dream of potentially earning some money, which may have not paid that well even when she DID land parts?
-if SB was becoming a little bit more successful, getting more exposure, more contacts, more auditions, she may have felt like an upcoming star, it may have gone to her head.. she may not have had a large appreciation of what it takes to do the daily-life thing, and instead was possibly consumed with her own increasing sense of self importance
-JB may have made an ultimatum of some sort, like perhaps... you really have to contribute at least x amount of money into this household, and also pay your own expenses (travel often to Edm, etc.?.. socializing with friends??)..
-It may have become ugly at times.. and possibly JB got sick of the same story and lack of financial partnership, and possibly SB got sick of what she perceived to be lack of support for her chosen career.. and the couple decided to end their relationship..
-but.. where would SB live? seriously.. where would she be able to afford to live if she was doing self-employed acting, and not holding down any kind of steady job? (I get the impression she wasn't holding down a regular job of any kind, since there was no mention of a job lately (but there had been mention in the past), and once again, that would be really difficult to do if one had auditions to attend and such... which.. I don't believe an actress would be given that much leeway in working out the best time for HER schedule.. there would be probably many other actresses jumping at the bit to take whatever appointments for auditions they could get, at whichever times/dates suited the producers
-so the couple decided to continue to live together... until... I don't know??? Until SB got a steady job and could move out to a small apartment? Until SB got a steady job and found a roommate to share an apartment? Or.. were they fighting about who would get to keep the co-op unit?? Perhaps even though it was hubby's to begin with? Then where is HE going to go? Pay double somewhere else? This really *could* have been a big bone of contention between them.
-so then the brakes thing happens.. perhaps JB was called upon to miss a day's work so that he could drive SB to Edm and back so that she could audition for perhaps yet another low-paying part.. and perhaps he just blew somewhere in amongst the conversation on the way home..

??????

'they' say that the BIG 3 things to fight about are: sex, money, inlaws...

 

[deugirtni]

Yes.. for sure. Hopefully SB doesn't have one of those types of medical histories.

Yes, the son could have had an airtight alibi... I'm just saying that I really hope that they still got a valid COD that ruled out homicide, rather than just assuming the woman had killed herself just because she had a verifiable history of depression. And I hope that the son's air-tight alibi, which could have been 'I was at x's house', was really checked out to not just be someone covering for him. It just scares me to wonder if sometimes investigators are too quick and easy with the suicide determination, just because of some factor, which the perp may also have known about, and knew it would be a great alibi in itself.

Well... the son may have an airtight alibi in that case. Then where do you look?

A history of depression usually means a traceable history... as in records... like medical records from stays in hospitals after suicide attempts or threats.

 

[otto]

What we surmised, was that it is possible that a text *could* have been sent from her phone by "someone" else, prior to when JB says he last saw her. Her phone which would likely had a Facebook app, was "left" behind - Anyone in possession of her phone, could post on Facebook as her.

We ... who is we ..Royal We?

No text was sent from Shannon after she vanished ... her phone was at home and the last person to see her hasn't said anything about Shannon walking out the door with an arrogant "I'm off to Toronto/Vancouver" even though I got the part in Edmonton.

... and then the stage actress fell off the face of the earth?

Shannon's phone was at home, with her husband from approximately midnight Wed/Thurs Nov 26/27 2014 onward until people that know and love her noticed her missing ... apparently nothing that happened on her phone for five days concerned him. She has not been seen since her husband last saw her at their home. He saw her phone many times after he last saw her ... for five days. Apparently he watched her phone ring, bounce, or vibrate for five days, and did nothing about it ... I guess he thought it was normal for his estranged, perhaps in distress, staged open-marriage wife's phone to be sitting at home to be normal?

 

[deugirtni]

The detective, imho, became a little flustered when asked that:

Reporter:
Although there isn't any indication right now there's foul play, does Shannon have any serious medical conditions or anything like that?

Detective:
I won't get into any medical conditions. Obivously that'd be things we'd look into, If there's any concerns with that we'll certainly look into them, I'm not going to bring up any even if I did know them. Um that's certainly something we're looking into.

I'm *really* hoping that SB doesn't have a medical history that could become an excuse, which could potentially affect the thoroughness in checking details which would be afforded on any other case with a blank medical history, in the event she is found deceased.

In the press conference, I believe the officer was asked if SB had any medical conditions, and he declined to comment.

 

[newone]

The detective, imho, became a little flustered when asked that:

Reporter:
Although there isn't any indication right now there's foul play, does Shannon have any serious medical conditions or anything like that?

Detective:
I won't get into any medical conditions. Obivously that'd be things we'd look into, If there's any concerns with that we'll certainly look into them, I'm not going to bring up any even if I did know them. Um that's certainly something we're looking into.

I'm *really* hoping that SB doesn't have a medical history that could become an excuse, which could potentially affect the thoroughness in checking details which would be afforded on any other case with a blank medical history, in the event she is found deceased.

totally agree -- too often easily dismissed.......

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Yes.. for sure. Hopefully SB doesn't have one of those types of medical histories.

Yes, the son could have had an airtight alibi... I'm just saying that I really hope that they still got a valid COD that ruled out homicide, rather than just assuming the woman had killed herself just because she had a verifiable history of depression. And I hope that the son's air-tight alibi, which could have been 'I was at x's house', was really checked out to not just be someone covering for him. It just scares me to wonder if sometimes investigators are too quick and easy with the suicide determination, just because of some factor, which the perp may also have known about, and knew it would be a great alibi in itself.

Sometimes... depression is just that, and those intent on ending it ensure there is no one around to stop them when they leave. Some would call his leaving suspicious, and others call it her opportunity to go and do it...

... or perhaps even the catalyst for the urge to do it. Feeling abandoned or no longer needed...

 

[evafiore]

The detective, imho, became a little flustered when asked that:

Reporter:
Although there isn't any indication right now there's foul play, does Shannon have any serious medical conditions or anything like that?

Detective:
I won't get into any medical conditions. Obivously that'd be things we'd look into, If there's any concerns with that we'll certainly look into them, I'm not going to bring up any even if I did know them. Um that's certainly something we're looking into.

I'm *really* hoping that SB doesn't have a medical history that could become an excuse, which could potentially affect the thoroughness in checking details which would be afforded on any other case with a blank medical history, in the event she is found deceased.

He did seem a bit wound up by the question.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

We ... who is we ..Royal We?

No text was sent from Shannon after she vanished ... her phone was at home and the last person to see her hasn't said anything about Shannon walking out the door with and arrogant "I'm off to Toronto/Vancouver" even though I got the part in Edmonton.

... and then the stage actress fell off the face of the earth?

Shannon's phone was at home, with her husband from approximately midnight Wed/Thurs Nov 26/27 2014. She has not been seen since her husband last saw her at their home. He saw her phone many times after he last saw her ... for five days. Apparently he watched her phone ring, bounce, or vibrate for five days, and did nothing about it ... I guess he thought it was normal for his estranged, perhaps in distress, staged open-marriage wife's phone to be sitting at home to be normal?

Or perhaps the phone was in her room, that he didn't go into, and she shut it off before she left.

 

[otto]

The detective, imho, became a little flustered when asked that:

Reporter:
Although there isn't any indication right now there's foul play, does Shannon have any serious medical conditions or anything like that?

Detective:
I won't get into any medical conditions. Obivously that'd be things we'd look into, If there's any concerns with that we'll certainly look into them, I'm not going to bring up any even if I did know them. Um that's certainly something we're looking into.

I'm *really* hoping that SB doesn't have a medical history that could become an excuse, which could potentially affect the thoroughness in checking details which would be afforded on any other case with a blank medical history, in the event she is found deceased.

There's been one press conference.

What is the name of the officer that became "flustered" during the one press conference?

 

[otto]

The detective, imho, became a little flustered when asked that:

Reporter:
Although there isn't any indication right now there's foul play, does Shannon have any serious medical conditions or anything like that?

Detective:
I won't get into any medical conditions. Obivously that'd be things we'd look into, If there's any concerns with that we'll certainly look into them, I'm not going to bring up any even if I did know them. Um that's certainly something we're looking into.

I'm *really* hoping that SB doesn't have a medical history that could become an excuse, which could potentially affect the thoroughness in checking details which would be afforded on any other case with a blank medical history, in the event she is found deceased.

Shannon does not have a medical condition, per police, and she is not normally in distress. Police state that they know nothing about Shannon, an adult, who vanished from her home in Nov 2014. She is still missing. She may be in distress. Police have no information about a medical conditions.

 

[otto]

He did seem a bit wound up by the question.

A police officer "did seem a bit wound up"?

... so?