Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[evafiore]

I am confused.... How is expanding the search to other cities, bad press? Risk of harming themselves???

Sorry, I wasn't clear. By bad press I mean an update that would leave the person vulnerable to public critique. If the person did go willingly, they may not be stable. Sometimes unstable people harm themselves.

Just a possibility.

 

[news.talk]

Look through this string of releases... You will see a variety of 'located' notices:

http://newsroom.calgary.ca/news/public-safety/police?q=missing&year=&s=-date

 

[debsy99]

Also her photo is still under missing persons on the Calgary Police FB page and they always remove those when the person is located. So even if they did find her and chose not to make a release her photo would be removed.

 

[evafiore]

http://www.calgary.ca/cps/Pages/Com...sources/Crime-prevention/Missing-persons.aspx



They would not give any info to the whereabouts if they didn't want anyone to know where they are but the police would still need to locate and speak to the person.

*doesn't say anything about updating the public if the person is found or a voluntary disappearance is suspected.

 

[evafiore]

Also her photo is still under missing persons on the Calgary Police FB page and they always remove those when the person is located. So even if they did find her and chose not to make a release her photo would be removed.

I don't think she's been located. Though I don't think they're looking for her as vigorously as they were before, possibly because they think she's left voluntarily.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I don't think she's been located. Though I don't think they're looking for her as much as vigorously as they were before, possibly because they think she's left voluntarily.

That's the thing... we don't know if they went into her online dating account(s) and found correspondence indicating a plan to leave.

That would certainly damper a need to search.

I'm not saying that is what happened... but it would explain the lack of effort. Indications of foul play do as well. Back to square one.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I've said it before. But I believe the husband did it and they feel the same so not much reason to look for her. While everyone waits for LE to build his case and one day makes an arrest. Most people slip up eventually. People don't just walk away at 12:30 am to go somewhere but who knows where and takes their keys but not their car or their cell phone. Nothing else has even had an inkling of panning out.

Thanks, I couldn't totally remember what your theory was or if it changed, so much info floating around! The family must be going crazy regardless the reason she's missing.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I will have to read up on that case.

"RCMP believe she may be in Calgary, but have not verified that so far."

LE says that in cases where they are found as well.

http://www.reddeer.ca/city-services...015-03-30-missing-woman---orsoyla-banouk.html

 

[Leischa]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he ever claimed that (that she stepped out the door). It was reported that she was last seen at the home by a family member at 12:30am.

I think you're right, evafiore. We made the assumption that he was the last one to have seen her because she was last seen at the home she shared with her husband.

 

[evafiore]

That's the thing... we don't know if they went into her online dating account(s) and found correspondence indicating a plan to leave.

That would certainly damper a need to search.

I'm not saying that is what happened... but it would explain the lack of effort. Indications of foul play do as well. Back to square one.

Considering that further:

CPS announced that the search had been extended to Toronto and Vancouver December 11th.
Her dating account was last accessed on December 12th.
Her family was posting regularly on FB about Shannon up until December 18th, then stopped completely. Her sister stopped on December 14th.

Aside from the photos in Fish Park December 15th (?---which CPS has stated were unrelated), all updates/posts from LE and the family stopped right around the time that her dating account was accessed. Have to wonder what LE found (if it was them that accessed it...?)

Or did they just stop posting anything after the waste of time at Fish Park? Were they worried all the attention might spoil the investigation?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Debsy, do you mind me asking which family member you asked about starting the FB page and was it a one word response? What was the tone of the answer? Was it 'Leave us alone' or 'we're grateful for help but don't require it at this time' kinda thing?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Considering that further:

CPS announced that the search had been extended to Toronto and Vancouver December 11th.
Her dating account was last accessed on December 12th.
Her family was posting regularly on FB about Shannon up until December 18th, then stopped completely. Her sister stopped on December 14th.

Aside from the photos in Fish Park December 15th (?---which CPS has stated were unrelated), all updates/posts from LE and the family stopped right around the time that her dating account was accessed. Have to wonder what LE found (if it was them that accessed it...?)

Or did they just stop posting anything after the waste of time at Fish Park? Were they worried all the attention might spoil the investigation?

The times and dates definitely seem significant. Didn't someone on this thread confirm it was LE who was accessing her dating profile? Thought I remember that, will try to find when I'm not on my iPhone!

 

[deugirtni]

But wouldn't looking for her potentially lead to the discovery of her body, which would then lead to the discovery of evidence which they could pursue and hopefully bring charges? Doesn't seem right not to even bother looking.

I've said it before. But I believe the husband did it and they feel the same so not much reason to look for her. While everyone waits for LE to build his case and one day makes an arrest. Most people slip up eventually. People don't just walk away at 12:30 am to go somewhere but who knows where and takes their keys but not their car or their cell phone. Nothing else has even had an inkling of panning out.

 

[deugirtni]

Why can't they? If a person is reported missing by a loved one, why can't they get a search warrant for the MP's home? And bring dogs with them? That would alleviate any of that after-stuff showing up 2 years later where they should have looked on day one?

News.talk is right. Also I have a connection to the family and they still have no idea where she is. No updates from LE. Nothing. Also the people in the groups she was in out in the world are looking for her. And have oddly shown more public interest than the family. CPS has a history of leaving cases a missing persons case with no leads supposedly while they build their murder case. With something like that they have to have a solid case when they do pounce. Lisa Mitchell was considered a missing person with no leads for 2 years then one day while her kids were at school they descended on the house and found her body inside. I wish that in every missing persons case they could automatically search the house with a K-9.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

But wouldn't looking for her potentially lead to the discovery of her body, which would then lead to the discovery of evidence which they could pursue and hopefully bring charges? Doesn't seem right not to even bother looking.

I don't know about that, it seems body-less crimes, disappearances and murders are happening a lot these days. I think if a murderer is intelligent or lucky enough, finding a body is like finding a needle in a haystack, jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

This is how little was said by police when Ursula was found safe:

Red Deer RCMP advise that 33 year old Orsolya Baunok has been located, and thank the public for their assistance.
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Does that look like privacy invasion to anyone? I think that once a person disappears to the point of being in the news, the public being requested to keep an eye out, police from other jurisdictions being asked to assist, MSM providing a venue for the family to make a public plea on TV, public is asked to provide any information and/or tips, and the MP is asked to contact police.. if they are subsequently discovered to be safe at that point, I do believe police would be considerate enough to let people know they can stop searching and thinking about her as a potential victim. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise. I can see where police might not bother to release news of MP having been located in a case where it was never announced in the first place that the person was missing, but not after asking for assistance of various types.

 

[deugirtni]

Just from memory, wasn't it already starting to go quiet prior to the Fish Creek Park photos being discovered? Then police were on it immediately and it was all over the news until it was said to be unrelated, and then back to silence?

Considering that further:

CPS announced that the search had been extended to Toronto and Vancouver December 11th.
Her dating account was last accessed on December 12th.
Her family was posting regularly on FB about Shannon up until December 18th, then stopped completely. Her sister stopped on December 14th.

Aside from the photos in Fish Park December 15th (?---which CPS has stated were unrelated), all updates/posts from LE and the family stopped right around the time that her dating account was accessed. Have to wonder what LE found (if it was them that accessed it...?)

Or did they just stop posting anything after the waste of time at Fish Park? Were they worried all the attention might spoil the investigation?

 

[deugirtni]

Last seen by her ex husband at the home they shared, but also nobody else has come forward to say they saw her after that time. She could still be in the home for all we know, if they didn't search everywhere. (Like the other poor soul who was found in her own home 2 years later).

I think you're right, evafiore. We made the assumption that he was the last one to have seen her because she was last seen at the home she shared with her husband.

 

[deugirtni]

Has anyone here ever reported a missing person? If so, was the person missing from the same home you were in? When police came to search, which they do, would they go as far as looking in every closet, under every bed, in every outbuilding, attic, and freezer?

 

[evafiore]

http://missingpersonsinformation.ca...orting-a-missing-adult-in-canada/#not_a_crime

"In some cases, the person no longer wishes to remain in contact with her/his loved ones. When this happens, police have to respect the missing person’s decision. In most cases, the searching family is notified that the missing person has been located but no further details are shared without the missing person’s consent."

Nothing about notifying the public. I'm beginning to believe that any mandates regarding missing persons favour the missing's privacy over the public's curiosity. If she had done something that had motivated her family to state "you're not in trouble," it may not be something that she's want exposed publicly. If LE had found something to suggest she'd gone on her accord, though not located her, I don't think they'd announce this to the public without her consent, and definitely not if it's something that may be seen by some as "trouble."

Again, I don't think they've found her, I just think they might suspect it's not foul play and are acting accordingly. Or they're waiting for someone to slip up. Either way, they're not obligated to notify us if they're taking either direction.